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Liverpool FC: the Great Lost Generation
« on: June 26, 2005, 03:25:52 pm »
There is a ghost team out there –– a team of vanished potential; of future destinations never arrived at; of tomorrows which never came. One day we all woke up, and they were gone. Not just gone from Liverpool, but gone from the game.

   What became of the Likely Lads?

   In 1996 Liverpool possessed arguably the best collection of young players in its history. Or rather, the players who should have been the best young players in its history. The club has always had its share of great kids, with Steve Nicol, Ronnie Whelan and Ian Rush (bought-in kids, admittedly) all coming through in the early 80s before going on to 400+ game careers at Anfield, and before those, plenty of others, such as Emlyn Hughes, Phil Thompson, Tommy Smith, and more.         

   But in 1995/96, the collection of outstanding under-25s (nearly all English) was undeniably impressive. They now form nothing more than the vanished generation, lost in dreams of what might have been; or rather, what should have been.

   David James should have been "England's no.1" for a decade, as the Kop serenaded him on a bi-weekly basis.

   Rob Jones should still be the Liverpool and England right-back.

   Robbie Fowler should be closing in on Ian Rush's tally of 346 goals for Liverpool, instead of only getting halfway.
   
   Steve McManaman should have been part of a title-winning side with the Reds. (Although, of course, he decided to leave, and won two league titles in Spain, and two European Cups.)

   Jamie Redknapp should have collected 50 England caps, and developed into a commanding central midfielder, not too dissimilar to Xabi Alonso.

   Dominic Matteo should (although I might be pushing it a little here) have at least come close to being the 'New Alan Hansen', and not just merely touted as such.

   Stan Collymore should have taken his phenomenal natural talent and battered defences –– and not instead be remembered for battering Ulrika Jonsson (not to mention lewd 'dogging' acts –– the best performances he's given in public in years).

   What strikes you about the list is that not only are they all ex-Reds, but almost all are washed up, well before their time. Injuries have taken their toll, and ended the careers of Jones and Redknapp, while McManaman looks close to following suit. Fowler showed glimpses of his old form in the second half of last season, but the overall impression is of a player well past his best. Stan Collymore totally lost the plot, and then some. Only David James has improved since leaving Liverpool (perhaps down to being under less pressure), while McManaman, despite never producing his Liverpool form consistently while at Real Madrid, is the only one to go on to win major honours. (I am almost certain that the rest haven't won a single thing since leaving Liverpool.)

   The retirement of Jamie Redknapp, aged just 31, marks another chapter in the demise of the dreaded 'Spice Boys'. While Redknapp, for one, was more professional than the tag suggested, what should have been a golden period in the club's history is now seen as a rather murky beige. Or rather, an insipid cream. (An Armani-hued embarrassment. As a side-note, I couldn't believe those four Reds wandering around Istanbul in their cream suits. As hilarious as it was –– and it was hysterical –– didn't they remember that in 1996 they were such a bad portent? Luckily the players themselves wore more suitable attire in 2005.)


Seven-year itch

Seven years is a long time in football. But is it that long? Of course, seven days can seem like an eternity in the game. And as for Istanbul –– well, we know what can happen in less than seven minutes.

   Seven years is not even half a playing career –– in some exceptional cases, it may be only one-third of a playing career (debut at 16, retire at 37). Much of Arsenal's success in recent years has been based on seasoned pros giving outstanding service into the 11th hour (and 59th minute) of their careers. Tony Adams, David Seaman, Martin Keown, Lee Dixon, Nigel Winterburn and Denis Bergkamp squeezed every last drop from their talent.

   In 1998 Gérard Houllier inherited, with the exception of Collymore, all of the aforementioned Liverpool players; just seven years ago. All of those players should have had over half of their careers ahead of them, and bright ones at that, given the shape the club looked in just two years earlier, in 1996. Liverpool's youngsters were arguably every bit as good as Manchester United's lauded 'fledglings' of the same time, if not better; the difference was that United had players like Schmiechel, Keane and Cantona to provide the spine, crucial to which was the partnership of Pallister and Bruce. Liverpool's best players in 1995/96 were nearly all youngsters.


Combustion

What I find most startling is how rapid the decline of the Class of 1996 proved. When writing Golden Past, Red Future, I originally planned to commence my look at the recent history of Liverpool FC at the end of the Evans reign and the start of Houllier's tenure, in 1998: when the club went 'continental'. But with the additional emphasis put on the Champions League campaign of 2004/05, it was easy to jettison this part of the book, especially as it is covered in other books, notably those on Houllier. So I instead began with the decline of Houllier.

   My focus, in the 'deleted scenes' of the book, was going to be on how quickly the careers of 90% of Evans' players disintegrated in less than a handful of years –– and how, with the exception of a couple of players, that side had 'relegation' written all over it –– if a radical overhaul hadn't been performed after the arrival of Houllier.

   Before I continue, I want to make it clear that I have no wish this to be about knocking 'Uncle Roy', as Evans started extremely well, building a very good and exciting side; it just happened to be one which too quickly fell away. Not all great football men make great managers. Some are best behind the scenes; others, like Souness, remain merely great players.

   Houllier's overhauling of Evans' side also hit a brick wall within a handful of years. Both managers were at their best 2-3 years into their reigns –– seen to be the time of optimum effectiveness for a manager, when his ideas are taking shape but before the players have grown tired of the same routine –– from which point the decline was rapid.

   (If even limited managers can produce very good sides 2-3 years into their reign, then imagine what Benítez can do by 2007. Look at Dalglish's third season: the  amazing 1987/88 vintage; look at Paisley's third season: the club's first European Cup. Whereas Paisley could keep it going, and even improved upon the blend, Dalglish, like Evans and Houllier, 'peaked' 2-3 years into the task. Benítez, as at Liverpool, started with a remarkable first season at Valencia, but the second was only so-so. It was his third season when his team played its best football, and won the league in style and the Uefa Cup at a canter.)


Decline

Perhaps it is unfair to make such comparisons, but take the great Liverpool team of 1979 (league champions, and in some style), and you'll find that, five years later, many were either busy winning the European Cup (Dalglish, Hansen, Souness, Neal, Alan Kennedy), or, in the case of players like Ray Clemence, still turning out quality displays in the top division (in his case, at Spurs). But for serious illness, Ray Kennedy may still have been with the Reds, while Jimmy Case played some great football for many years after leaving Anfield.

   Players will always fall away from the top, or be released the moment they pass their peak. But the 1998 Anfield vintage possessed remarkably few players who would go on to impress in the new millennium.

   The thought of Evan's 1998 side –– with the promise of 1996 all but extinguished –– still representing Liverpool in 2003 brings me out in the shakes; and as it was, the 2003 vintage of Houllier's Liverpool wasn't anywhere as good as anyone would have liked, and hardly one to pine for. That's how lacking Liverpool were in 1998.

   And in 2005, you wouldn't want a single one of those previously listed 'should have been' starlets from 1995/96 near the Liverpool first team. (Fowler might get a nod for the sub's bench on sentimental grounds, and Rob Jones, if he was still playing, had the quality to remain at the top; unlike Fowler, McManaman and Redknapp, Jones retired before his reputation had the chance to suffer too much damage. Meanwhile, David James remains a very good goalkeeper, but one who few Reds would trust to keep goal again.)

    Of those in the squad which Gérard Houllier inherited, only Owen and Carragher remain of the quality the Reds currently demand. (Gerrard, of course, was still only at the Academy at the start of 1998/99.) Patrik Berger had the talent, but he was yet another who saw his progress halted by serious injury, while Vegard Heggem, seen wandering around Sabiha Gökçen airport in Istanbul at 5am following the final, had  a promising career cut short. Danny Murphy did better than expected for a few years, but has perhaps found his level in a workmanlike Charlton side.

   But the rest?

   Leonhardsen, McAteer, Babb, Bjornebye, Ruddock, Harkness, Dundee and Staunton all went downhill at a rate of knots (some didn't have far to go on their way to hit rock bottom), and with the exception of Dundee, whose whereabouts remain as unknown (to me, at least) as when he was at Liverpool, all ended up in the First Division within two or three years. (As did David James, Brad Friedel and David Thompson, while Jamie Redknapp was relegated with Southampton before retiring. Dominic Matteo was another who, despite some fine individual form, suffered relegation, with Leeds Since then, he's been a reserve at Blackburn.) Paul Ince is still playing in that division, but given his age, he was never likely to be one of those still at the top of the game in 2005.

    With the odd exception, these were players on a downward spiral. It's hard to say if the subsequent decline of these players is down to one thing only, or a combination of factors: the improvement in the Premiership as the other sides brought in a succession of talented individuals; de-motivation upon leaving Anfield; crippling injuries; unprofessional lifestyles; choosing the wrong club to join (even the best players can be dragged down by poor teammates). Or perhaps they simply weren't good enough –– plain and simple –– and were found out (certainly true in some cases).

   Crucially, not one of those players has since played in a team that has finished above Liverpool in the Premiership. Not a single player Houllier released from that original squad came back to haunt the club in that sense; they may have had the odd moment of fleeting fleeting 'revenge' by scoring against their former employers (Berger, Thompson, Fowler), or from being in a side to win against Liverpool, but not one player emerged to the point where he made being sold look like a grave folly.

    So when I say that the 1998 side had relegation written all over it, it was literally true for many of the players.

   While Houllier bequeathed Benítez what many felt to be a squad of debatable quality, there actually proved enough talent (with the addition of Alonso and Luis Garcia, but the loss of Owen) to win the European Cup. It's an unlikely equation, given the club's over-reliance on Owen in past seasons: Houllier's signings + Alonso + Garcia - Owen = European Champions; but true nonetheless.

   The side Evans bequeathed Houllier was one even Benítez would have struggled to work wonders with. But with the European Cup housed permanently at Anfield, and Robbie Fowler now able to extend his thumb in addition to those four fingers to the baying Old Trafford crowd, the sense of sadness of a lost generation has passed.
   
   Greatness never arrived from the class of 1995/96. But the current crop, for all their faults, achieved something legendary this summer.

   If you'd told me in the summer of 1998 that Liverpool would win the European Cup seven years later, and that the only player surviving Red would be Jamie Carragher, I'd have laughed in your face. Because you'd have been joking, right?

©Paul Tomkins 2005

Golden Past, Red Future: Big Summer News Update!


First of all, just to confirm that as of Saturday 25th June, all pre-ordered copies have been despatched (if people can let me know when they get their copy, and where they live, so I can keep track of how long it takes to get to different parts of the world, that would be most appreciated). With the backlog 100% cleared, we can now start taking orders again at www.paultomkins.com. Initial feedback has been very pleasing, with the chapter on Istanbul and the final going down particularly well.

Anyone wanting signed copies/dedications, will need to order direct from us:

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(Please note: in order to stop people worrying if their copy hasn't arrived a day or two after ordering, we are collating the orders in weekly batches and then sending them out, so if you order just after we return from the post office having sent off a load of copies it could take up to a week for yours to be despatched.)

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Next week I'll try to concentrate on sorting deals with bookshops, but they aren't especially straightforward in their dealings with independent publishers.


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Re: Liverpool FC: the Great Lost Generation
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2005, 03:35:57 pm »
Thought you were going on a sabbatical? ;)



Fantastic article, as always.
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Re: Liverpool FC: the Great Lost Generation
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2005, 03:41:26 pm »

1999 GOSSIP


 29/07/99 - Houllier made my life misery (The Daily MMirror)
 28/07/99 - Liverpool sell Dundee to Stuttgart
 28/07/99 - Matteo staying at the Pool (Sky Sports)
 28/07/99 - Houllier in £1.5m bid for Copa starr
 28/07/99 - Liverpool quash Matteo rumours>
 27/07/99 - Barnes linked with Matteo swoop (Sky Sporrts)
 27/07/99 - Babb felled as Houllier wields axe
 27/07/99 - Barnes £3m raid for Matteo (The Daiily Mirror)
 26/07/99 - Babb facing Anfield exit (The Liverpool EEcho)
 25/07/99 - Heskey cuffed by Kop (The Sunday People)<
 24/07/99 - Hamann: Babbel eager for Anfield move>
 22/07/99 - Hamann completes Liverpool move (Reuters))
 22/07/99 - Thompson hails signing of Hamann (Sky Spoorts)
 22/07/99 - Boro confirm Ince offer (Reuters)
 21/07/99 - Houllier's axe poised to fall (Sky Sportss)
 21/07/99 - Three more to be shown Anfield door
 20/07/99 - Robbo's Anfield buy-up (The Daily Mirror))
 19/07/99 - Hamann completes his £8m transfer ((The Liverpool Echo)
 19/07/99 - Hamann arrives
 19/07/99 - Ince off, more to follow? (The Daily Postt)
 17/07/99 - Hamann moves in as Anfield guv'nor (The DDaily Mirror)
 17/07/99 - Hamann poised for £7m switch
 16/07/99 - £8m Hamann to sign (The Daily Post))
 16/07/99 - It's goodbye Guvnor (Sky Sports)
 16/07/99 - Houllier swoops for £7.5m Hamann (SSky Sports)
 16/07/99 - Houllier lands £7.5m Hamann
 16/07/99 - Boro boy (The Daily Mirror)
 16/07/99 - Hamann set to end transfer saga (The Teleegraph)
 13/07/99 - Hamman with a mission (The Daily Post)
 13/07/99 - Hamman in shock Anfield link (Sky Sports))
 13/07/99 - Liverpool: Bayern are babbeling (The Dailly Mirror)
 13/07/99 - Houllier in £7.5M move for Hamann ((The Independent)
 13/07/99 - Liverpool on case of £9m Hamann (Thhe Guardian)
 13/07/99 - Liverpool move in for £10m Hamann
 12/07/99 - Liverpool deny rumours of Babbel deal (Thhe Nando Times)
 12/07/99 - Babbel Anfield-bound says Rummenigge (Skyy Sports)
 12/07/99 - Even £12m won't be enough to buy Foowler
 12/07/99 - We'll use Nic cash to get Rob (The Daily Mirror)
 11/07/99 - Wenger to raise Fowler stakes
 11/07/99 - Houllier cuts through the player-power
 11/07/99 - Fowler as replacement for Anelka (The Sunnday Telegraph)
 11/07/99 - Middlesbrough offer reject Ince fresh staart
 10/07/99 - Monaco bid to end Ince's rough ride
 10/07/99 - Monaco moving in for Gaul Ince (The Dailyy Mirror)
 09/07/99 - Anfield trio ponder future (The Daily Posst)
 09/07/99 - Houllier moves his sights onto Hughes (Skky Sports)
 09/07/99 - Dacourt could fill Ince boots (The Daily Mirror)
 09/07/99 - Villa going for cut-price Ince (The Dailyy Mirror)
 09/07/99 - Anfield look to imported six-pack (The Guuardian)
 09/07/99 - Dacourt on the Houllier hit-list
 08/07/99 - Ince digs in for a £1.5m pay-off
 08/07/99 - Foe demands wreck his Anfield deal
 08/07/99 - New boys unveiled
 07/07/99 - Liverpool confirm Ince is up for sale (Reeuters)
 07/07/99 - Ince reported set to leave Liverpool (Reuuters)
 07/07/99 - You're out (The Daily Post)
 07/07/99 - Dundee to leave Liverpool for Stuttgart ((The Nando Times)
 07/07/99 - Foe won't go claims Redknapp (Sky Sports))
 07/07/99 - Liverpool chase second keeper
 07/07/99 - Ince is told to go
 07/07/99 - Ince told to get lost and find a new teamm (The Daily Mirror)
 06/0799 - Babbel waits, Foe in (Sky Sports)
 06/0799 - Another 48 hours for Foe (The Daily Post))
 06/07/99 - Friend or Foe - Ince can go (The Daily Miirror)
 05/07/99 - Hype holds no fears for Reds Gerrard (Thee Daily Post)
 05/07/99 - Stephane set to finalise move (The Daily Post)
 01/07/99 - Blanc turned down Anfield move (Sky Sportts)
 01/07/99 - Yates quits Anfield for Dundee (Sky Sportts)
 30/06/99 - Houllier closes on Hammer Foe (The Daily Post)
 30/06/99 - Double exit
 30/06/99 - Foe joining Houllier's Anfield foreign arrmy (The Daily Mirror)
 30/06/99 - Thatcher and Foe are next for Houllier
 29/06/99 - Liverpool bid to lure £4m Thatcher<
 29/06/99 - Houllier's waiting on green light (The Daaily Post)
 28/06/99 - Houlllier plans a Meijer addition (The Daaily Post)
 28/06/99 - Unwanted Ince going cheap at £1m
 27/06/99 - Goodbye Ince and thanks a million (The Suunday Mirror)
 25/06/99 - West Ham confirm Foe bid received (Sky Spports)
 24/06/99 - Swoop for Foe (The Daily Post)>
 24/06/99 - Owls away
 24/06/99 - Leonhardsen: 'I may stay and fight' (Sky Sports)
 23/06/99 - Leonhardsen rejects Wednesday offer
 22/06/99 - Liverpool reject Leonhardsen bid
 22/06/99 - Wilson to increase offer for Oyvind (The Daily Post)
 22/06/99 - Ferri's off the Mersey (The Daily Mirror))
 21/06/99 - Liverpool reject Owls bid for Oyvind (Skyy Sports)
 21/06/99 - £30m... it wouldn't buy Owen's leftt boot (The Daily Post)
 21/06/99 - Robinson:'Owen is not for sale' (Sky Sporrts)
 20/06/99 - Houllier's waiting to swoop for Dacourt ((The Sunday People)
 20/06/99 - Kicked into Dutch! (The Sunday People)
 20/06/99 - Owls set to land Leonhardsen
 18/06/99 - Goalkeeper James joins Villa (Reuters)
 18/06/99 - Seven-year hitch ends for James (The Dailly Post)
 18/06/99 - Gregory goes for his King James
 18/06/99 - Gregory swoops for £1.8m James (Thee Daily Mirror)
 18/06/99 - James in £1.8m move to Villa (The IIndependent)
 18/06/99 - James joins Villa in £1.7m deal (Thhe Telegraph)
 18/06/99 - Liverpool will rue letting James go, sayss Gregory
 17/06/99 - James fee agreed
 17/06/99 - James heads down M6 (Sky Sports)
 17/06/99 - Villa need to dig deeper to get £2mm James
 17/06/99 - Villa move for £1.7m outcast James (The Daily Post)
 17/06/99 - Transfer round-up
 16/06/99 - Keeper of the faith (The Daily Post)<
 16/06/99 - Houllier keeps on spending... (Football 3365)
 16/06/99 - Liverpool defend foreign policy (Sky Sporrts)
 16/06/99 - Foreign invasion of no concern to Anfieldd
 16/06/99 - Record fee for Liverpool keeper (Reuters))
 15/06/99 - Sander Westerveld profile (The Mighty Redds)
 15/06/99 - Sands of time running out for duo (The Daaily Post)
 15/06/99 - Westerveld passes medical, end for James?? (The Nando Times)
 15/06/99 - Gerrard kops a new keeper (The Daily Mirrror)
 15/06/99 - Dutch keeper set for Anfield (The Indepenndent)
 14/06/99 - Westerveld set to sign (Sky Sports)
 14/06/99 - Westerveld in as Keegan courts Ince (The Daily Post)
 14/06/99 - Keeper flies in (Team Talk)
 13/06/99 - Houllier joins Shearer hunt (The Sunday MMirror)
 12/06/99 - James in cut-price Kop sale (The Daily Miirror)
 11/06/99 - Fowler: I'm staying (The Daily Post)<
 11/06/99 - Fowler: I'm staying (Sky Sports)
 11/06/99 - I'll stay
 11/06/99 - Fowler: I stay for the glory (The Daily MMirror)
 11/06/99 - Fowler staying at Liverpool (The Independdent)
 11/06/99 - Fowler in pledge to Liverpool (The Telegrraph)
 11/06/99 - Fowler's Anfield pledge
 10/06/99 - Foe nears the Shankly gates (Sky Sports)<
 10/06/99 - Babbel admits Anfield wish (Sky Sports)
 10/06/99 - Clouds gathering over Ince's Anfield futuure (Sky Sports)
 10/06/99 - Hammers ready to unload Foe for £5MM (The Daily Mirror)
 10/06/99 - West Ham's Foe linked with move to Anfielld (The Telegraph)
 09/06/99 - Al Fayed shopping for Ince (The Daily Posst)
 09/06/99 - Ferguson set to lure Fowler from Anfield (The Independent)
 09/06/99 - Foe signing will clear the way for Ince'ss exit
 07/06/99 - It's over to you Robbie (The Daily Post)<
 07/06/99 - Houllier shows Fowler the door>
 06/06/99 - Fowler the shock target for Fergie
 06/06/99 - Houllier tells Fowler: 'It's up to you' ((Sky Sports)
 06/06/99 - Gullit to swoop for James (The Sunday Mirrror)
 06/06/99 - He'd be mad to flog Robbie raps Molby (Thhe Sunday People)
 05/06/99 - Liverpool move in for Heskey
 05/06/99 - Chelsea swoop for £7m Redknapp (Thee Daily Mirror)
 05/06/99 - Spurs in first but Liverpool favourites ffor £10m Heskey
 04/06/99 - "Robbie is not for sale. He's happy here"" (The Daily Post)
 04/06/99 - It's your move now, Fowler
 04/06/99 - Robbie nicked to be the new Anelka (The DDaily Mirror)
 03/06/99 - Swiss clocks in (The Daily Post)
 03/06/99 - Phil a gap
 03/06/99 - Price right for foreign policy (The Dailyy Post)
 03/06/99 - Houllier: Fowler not for sale
 03/06/99 - Arsenal make £12m bid for Robbie (TThe Daily Mirror)
 03/06/99 - Liverpool swoop for £3.5m Henchoz ((The Guardian)
 03/06/99 - Bould set for Liverpool move
 02/06/99 - Camara signs in at Anfield (The Daily Posst)
 02/06/99 - Camara deal finalised (Sky Sports)
 02/06/99 - Titi Camara profile (The Mighty Reds)>
 02/06/99 - Camara deal done !
 01/06/99 - Houllier's double take (The Daily Post)
 01/06/99 - Liverpool snub for too costly Stubbs (Thee Daily Mirror)
 30/05/99 - Gunners close in on Fowler (The Sunday Miirror)
 28/05/99 - Fulham join Oyvind chase (The Daily Post))
 27/05/99 - Trevor comes off fence to doubt Reds' rebbirth (The Daily Post)
 27/05/99 - Vlad the invader (The Daily Mirror)
 26/05/99 - Sami Hyypiä profile (The Mighty Redss)
 26/05/99 - Blackburn ponder £3m Ince bid (The Daily Post)
 25/05/99 - Sheffield steal (The Daily Post)
 25/05/99 - Owls keen on Oyvind
 24/05/99 - It's Take two for Houllier (The Daily Posst)
 22/05/99 - Smicer arrival expected next week (Sky Spports)
 21/05/99 - Oyvind up for auction (The Daily Post)
 21/05/99 - Price is wrong for Vlad (The Daily Mirrorr)
 20/05/99 - Smicer's heart set on Anfield switch (Skyy Sports)
 20/05/99 - British stars cost too much, says Houllieer
 19/05/99 - Hyypiä agrees Liverpool move (Sky Spports)
 19/05/99 - Kop new boy's not just hype (The Daily Miirror)
 19/05/99 - Liverpool sign Finnish defender (The Guarrdian)
 19/05/99 - Hyypiä days at Anfield
 18/05/99 - News from Anfield (The Mighty Reds)
 18/05/99 - Willem II's defender Hyypia joins Liverpoool (Reuters)
 18/05/99 - Wenger can't afford to buy Robbie (The Daaily Mirror)
 18/05/99 - Murray to join Robbie race (The Daily Mirrror)
 17/05/99 - Houllier in swoop for Van der Sar (Sky Spports)
 17/05/99 - Leonhardsen linked to Hillsborough
 15/05/99 - Djorkaeff alert for Houllier (Sky Sports))
 14/05/99 - Liverpool favourites to capture Westervelld
 14/05/99 - Houllier waits to go Dutch (The Daily Posst)
 14/05/99 - Houllier hot on Henchoz trail (The Daily Mirror)
 14/05/99 - Henchoz first Rover to head out (The Guarrdian)
 13/05/99 - No quick getaway for James (The Daily Posst)
 13/05/99 - Smicer stalemate
 12/05/99 - Houllier linked with Sanz move (Sky Sportts)
 12/05/99 - Beardo's way out (The Daily Mirror)
 12/05/99 - Kop-out as Derby get Seth (The Daily Mirrror)
 11/05/99 - Charbonnier snubs Anfield move (Sky Sportts)
 11/05/99 - Duo chasing misfit Dundee (The Daily Postt)
 10/05/99 - Dutch keeper set for Reds (The Daily Postt)
 09/05/99 - James: Time is right to leave Anfield (Thhe Observer)
 07/05/99 - French connection inspires Camara to joinn Liverpool (Reuters)
 06/05/99 - Houllier stalls over Smicer
 06/05/99 - Houllier in £7M spree (The Daily Miirror)
 05/05/99 - French pair heading for Liverpool (Reuterrs)
 05/05/99 - Houllier yet to finalise Czech deal (Sky Sports)
 05/05/99 - Fowler could be Spain-bound (Sky Sports)<
 02/05/99 - Red Van man (The Sunday Mirror)
 30/04/99 - Reid joins the race for Ince (The Daily MMirror)
 30/04/99 - Liverpool close to signing 'African Overmmars' (The Guardian)
 29/04/99 - Camara continues claims
 29/04/99 - Houllier free to import keeper (The Dailyy Post)
 28/04/99 - Anfield target snubs Houllier
 27/04/99 - Berger's Czech mate lined up to replace MMacca (Football 365)
 27/04/99 - Villa heading James chase (The Daily Postt)
 27/04/99 - Liverpool chasing Lens striker Smicer (Reeuters)
 27/04/99 - Villa look to James
 27/04/99 - James off to Madrid (The Daily Mirror)
 27/04/99 - James first to fall foul of Houllier (Thee Guardian)
 27/04/99 - Villa and Wednesday jostle for odd man ouut James
 26/04/99 - Leo may stay
 26/04/99 - Houllier can't yet guarentee Czech (Sky SSports)
 26/04/99 - Houllier admits James' day are over (Sky Sports)
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Re: Liverpool FC: the Great Lost Generation
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2005, 04:05:35 pm »
Thought you were going on a sabbatical? ;)


Oh yeah, I remember that! Easing off over the summer, but have a few bits and pieces like this one which were worth sharing. Sometimes I just can't help myself!  ;D

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Re: Liverpool FC: the Great Lost Generation
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2005, 04:51:53 pm »
Good article as always Paul, but I'd just like to adjust your Champions League equation slightly:

(((Houllier's signings + (Alonso + Garcia)) - Owen) + Benitez = European Cup

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Re: Liverpool FC: the Great Lost Generation
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2005, 05:03:49 pm »
ive only manage a skim read. very good but what/who do you blame for this great generation becoming lost?? i think it was just bad luck

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Re: Liverpool FC: the Great Lost Generation
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2005, 05:08:18 pm »

   Jamie Redknapp should have collected 50 England caps, and developed into a commanding central midfielder, not too dissimilar to Xabi Alonso.

   Dominic Matteo should (although I might be pushing it a little here) have at least come close to being the 'New Alan Hansen', and not just merely touted as such.

   Stan Collymore should have taken his phenomenal natural talent and battered defences –– and not instead be remembered for battering Ulrika Jonsson (not to mention lewd 'dogging' acts –– the best performances he's given in public in years).



I think you're pushing it with all of them in fairness. Redknapp was massively overrated and average in my opinion. All of the impressiveness of an Alonso pass with none of the incisiveness.

This era is the one I began supporting Liverpool in, so I hold it in particular significance. Being a young'un I never realised at the time, and its only looking back that I realise how I bit more of a killer instinct could have led us to a league title or two.

By the way on the subject of post Liverpool success, dont forget that Phil Babb won the Portugese League!  ;)
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Re: Liverpool FC: the Great Lost Generation
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2005, 05:08:49 pm »
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Re: Liverpool FC: the Great Lost Generation
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2005, 05:13:11 pm »
Clearly it was a combination of factors regarding the aforementioned players and their fall from grace. I was on .tv earlier today and listed my top 5 LFC players of all time. Four of the five were Scottish   .   .   .   what the hell happened to our Scottish influence? 

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Re: Liverpool FC: the Great Lost Generation
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2005, 05:13:21 pm »
Not read there Paul.

From a personal point of view, I felt sorry for Roy Evans, during his manager spell with, lets not forget His Club.

The man was an intergrel member of the boot room staff, but he was always going to find the big step up to management a difficult task. The most unfortunate thing for him and the club is, they simply at the time had no other options but appoint him as manager.

Tactic wise I thought he did a good job, but I don't think he could handle the Egos thing IMO.

Then when GH came he was backed up in a corner, and i think we lost a big piece of our club when Roy then walked the plank. He simply had no choice because his input to team matters etc were diminishing by the day.

Like i said Roy was never a managing type of man, more of a back room arm around a shoulder of someone in the team who needed a pick me up, but he was given the Managers job, and then in my oppinion, undermined when Ged came in as supposingly Joint manager, that was doomed from the start.

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Re: Liverpool FC: the Great Lost Generation
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2005, 05:16:07 pm »
Four of the five were Scottish   .   .   .   what the hell happened to our Scottish influence? 


More like, what happened to Scottish footballer/footballers, full stop?

I always liked Roy Evans. Often looked close to tears after a poor display from his team during post-match interviews. As I said, great footballing man, but not a great manager.

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Re: Liverpool FC: the Great Lost Generation
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2005, 05:18:37 pm »

More like, what happened to Scottish footballer/footballers, full stop?

I always liked Roy Evans. Often looked close to tears after a poor display from his team during post-match interviews. As I said, great footballing man, but not a great manager.


Until Istanbul I've said that we won't win anything without a Scot in the team.
They've always seemed to be something of a talisman for us. Nicol was the last one until Gary Mac, and the success that has come and gone with them really shows.
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Re: Liverpool FC: the Great Lost Generation
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2005, 05:23:23 pm »
Until Istanbul I've said that we won't win anything without a Scot in the team.
They've always seemed to be something of a talisman for us. Nicol was the last one until Gary Mac, and the success that has come and gone with them really shows.
Still glad to be proved wrong like.

Yeah i've always said a few jocks, a few paddys, mixed in with some local lads .

Oh my, they were such great times.

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« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2005, 07:45:02 pm »
Until Istanbul I've said that we won't win anything without a Scot in the team.
They've always seemed to be something of a talisman for us. Nicol was the last one until Gary Mac, and the success that has come and gone with them really shows.
Still glad to be proved wrong like.


Aye, this club has been built on great Scots.

Now it's the turn of the Spaniards!

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Re: Liverpool FC: the Great Lost Generation
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2005, 08:05:32 pm »
Great article as always Paul. I do think that th 96 side had the talent and ability to do great things at Liverpool, they were as good as if not better then Utd, probably lack the experience all very young, maybe if we had more of a balance who knows.
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Re: Liverpool FC: the Great Lost Generation
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2005, 08:11:24 pm »
   So when I say that the 1998 side had relegation written all over it, it was literally true for many of the players.

   While Houllier bequeathed Benítez what many felt to be a squad of debatable quality, there actually proved enough talent (with the addition of Alonso and Luis Garcia, but the loss of Owen) to win the European Cup. It's an unlikely equation, given the club's over-reliance on Owen in past seasons: Houllier's signings + Alonso + Garcia - Owen = European Champions; but true nonetheless.

   The side Evans bequeathed Houllier was one even Benítez would have struggled to work wonders with.
   


My view on that:

Evans may have signed the wrong players, but he knew how to get the most from them. GH was the opposite. He signed good ones, but the total transfer policy didn't make sense. And he never managed to use the talent he had at his disposal. Fortunately it seems Benitez can get the players he needs and he can shape a team.

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Re: Liverpool FC: the Great Lost Generation
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2005, 08:37:52 pm »
Good article Paul. I always consider the 95/96 season the most disappointing season of the 90s because Man Utd did the double when it should have been us.

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« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2005, 08:40:30 pm »
Evans may have signed the wrong players, but he knew how to get the most from them. GH was the opposite. He signed good ones, but the total transfer policy didn't make sense.


But Houllier's record was far better than Evans', in every sense.

Houllier won four cups; Evans one. Houllier took the Reds to 2nd place; Evans 3rd. Both struggled in their final seasons.

The football played under Evans in 1995/96 was superb. But the plot was lost a little after that. Both men were ultimately failures in terms of being judged against the best Liverpool managers. Both were too flawed. But Houllier has to rate higher than Evans. Houllier was getting the best out of his players until 2002; after then, it was painful.

Thankfully Benítez seems from the top class of managers.

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« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2005, 08:42:03 pm »
Good article Paul. I always consider the 95/96 season the most disappointing season of the 90s because Man Utd did the double when it should have been us.


The difference was arguably Peter Schmiechel. Swap him and David James, and it could have been so different...

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Re: Liverpool FC: the Great Lost Generation
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2005, 08:48:21 pm »
   Rob Jones should still be the Liverpool and England right-back.

Rob Jones used to live next door but one to me - he now lives in Warrington and owns a 'chain' of children's nurseries with his wife. His back injury was a sad thing to watch and it meant that he didn't feel he physically up to coaching either after he gave it a go for a while.
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Re: Liverpool FC: the Great Lost Generation
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2005, 08:50:30 pm »

Aye, this club has been built on great Scots.

Now it's the turn of the Spaniards!

Don't forget the role of Alec Miller chaps, we weren't entirely Scotless, to coin a phrase

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« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2005, 08:50:45 pm »
Great read, as always. However, I still think that those kids played some of the best football of the last 10 years, together with today's Arsenal and Keegan's Newcastle. They were our Romantic/Bohemian period...they were like a stripper, they showed us a lot of beautiful things, but never let us touch the flesh.

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« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2005, 08:55:09 pm »
Now it's the turn of the Spaniards!

Amen to that, brother  ;)

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« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2005, 08:56:00 pm »
Amen to that, brother  ;)

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« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2005, 09:16:29 pm »
Great read, as always. However, I still think that those kids played some of the best football of the last 10 years, together with today's Arsenal and Keegan's Newcastle. They were our Romantic/Bohemian period...they were like a stripper, they showed us a lot of beautiful things, but never let us touch the flesh.

Oh come off it! You know what I mean!!


 ;D

Great analogy. I loved that season, until the bitter ending. I was 100% certain we'd beat the Mancs at Wembley. Never felt so devastated after a game.


Rob Jones used to live next door but one to me - he now lives in Warrington and owns a 'chain' of children's nurseries with his wife. His back injury was a sad thing to watch and it meant that he didn't feel he physically up to coaching either after he gave it a go for a while.


He remains one of my all-time favourite Reds. There have been better players, but he's just one I warmed to straightaway.


Don't forget the role of Alec Miller chaps, we weren't entirely Scotless, to coin a phrase


Of course! A key Scot still in the mix...

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« Reply #25 on: June 26, 2005, 09:36:02 pm »

He remains one of my all-time favourite Reds. There have been better players, but he's just one I warmed to straightaway.


Aye, he was a nice guy. But he could have made a better effort at getting to Cantona's shot in the final, which is exactly what I told him at the time. Seriously, if you watch the footage look out for Rob - he barely cocks his leg.

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« Reply #26 on: June 26, 2005, 10:27:37 pm »
Aye, he was a nice guy. But he could have made a better effort at getting to Cantona's shot in the final, which is exactly what I told him at the time. Seriously, if you watch the footage look out for Rob - he barely cocks his leg.
That still haunts me!! I was in the opposite end to that goal. As the ball came across the Liverpool players just seemed to part and leave the goal open with Rob Jones stood on the line. My mate shouted "Oh No" before Cantona even hit it - you could just see what was going to happen. Why didn't Rob Jones just save the ball with his hands if he couldn't get to it any other way? He should have saved it, placed the ball on the spot and walked off. At least there was a chance they may miss the penalty. It was very late on in the game and I would have taken being down to ten men and facing a penalty instead of being 1-0 down.
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« Reply #27 on: June 26, 2005, 10:29:43 pm »
That still haunts me!! I was in the opposite end to that goal. As the ball came across the Liverpool players just seemed to part and leave the goal open with Rob Jones stood on the line. My mate shouted "Oh No" before Cantona even hit it - you could just see what was going to happen. Why didn't Rob Jones just save the ball with his hands if he couldn't get to it any other way? He should have saved it, placed the ball on the spot and walked off. At least there was a chance they may miss the penalty. It was very late on in the game and I would have taken being down to ten men and facing a penalty instead of being 1-0 down.

He gave me the 'it all happened so fast' excuse.

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« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2005, 11:07:45 pm »
The class of '96 was only one top-class centre back away from the double.
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« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2005, 01:22:35 am »
Shame  :'(

So much talent either undermined by injury or beset with attitude problems...or both

Real pity their respective talents burnt out so quickly...

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Re: Liverpool FC: the Great Lost Generation
« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2005, 02:03:36 am »

The difference was arguably Peter Schmiechel. Swap him and David James, and it could have been so different...

Totally agreed on that point mate.

But also i believe, we were linked with Cantona before he went to Leeds.

I know he was strange, but a hell of a fucking footballer, and he'd have loved real footie fans like us, not them prawn sarnie wankers down the road.

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« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2005, 02:39:57 am »
The 1996 team sadly was a reflection of the manager then:  a lack of strength of character that is required in winning (sic:  mentality).    It was the middle of the transformation to "modern"  (winced...) football which called for a much greater level of professionalism and the players just did not have the firm hand to guide them at the most critical period of their career. 

Painful is the word that I felt for the period.
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« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2005, 03:37:17 am »
I don't think it helped Evans having Doug Livermore as his assistant, he came across as something of a 'Roy Mk. II' character, nice guy, but maybe he needed somebody alongside him to compliment his own style, such as Phil Thompson- and have a 'good cop/bad cop' type set-up. I think from the '96 vintage, we reallyweren't that far away from winning major honours, and it always upsets me to think of the wasted talent in that team. I really liked that 3-5-2 system he played, with McManaman getting a free role, it was fantastic to watch, and it was the perfect system for us. Missing out in '95/6 wasn't a problem for me, at that time, I always felt that was a learning curve for us, even losing the Cup Finl., but we should have taken that extra step the following season, I was certain we'd win the title, and the last few weeks of that season were the worst for me, especially when United lost to Derby to let us back in, and then we went and lost at home to Coventry! Ultimately, I think it came down to Evans' not quite addressing some of the problems that were there- we needed a left wing back, we needed a holding midfielder, and we needed to work on what the role of the back 3 actually should be- sometimes they just didn't take responsibility, and there didn't seem to be any kind of marking system at all. They needed clearly defined roles, and this also affected James' confidence too.

I think the indiscipline was only a small part of the players downfall. Certainly, I don't think it's an excuse to say they were genuinely unlucky. The injuries Redknapp had were horrific, and I think Fowler suffered alot from injuries at a crucial time in his career, and certainly the same can be said of Rob Jones of course. Matteo was never going to be top drawer in my opinion, although he could have done better and become a good left back for us, but I think he's pretty much had the career you'd expect of a player of his ability. And as for McManaman, I suppose it's difficult to say somebody with 2 Spanish titles and 2 European Cup's an underachiever, but nevertheless, if he pushed himself further, he could have achieved more, weither at Anfield or abroad.

The biggest disappointments were James and Collymore though. Today, I look at  Baptista, and Adriano, and I think back to what talent and physique Collymore had, ad although it may seem laughable to some, he should have easily been in the same league as these players, in fact he had all the physical attributes and ability to achieve anything he wanted in football, it's such a shame he was such a lunatic. As for James, I felt he simply lacked confidence in himself, and he needed some guidance, and stronger management. Certainly though, Fowler, Redknapp, Collymore, and James, could, and should have developed into world class players though, that's for sure.

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« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2005, 11:25:16 am »
Well put observation Paul, didnt quite see it that way before. All the more reason to be optimistic about the future with rafa at the helm.
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Re: Liverpool FC: the Great Lost Generation
« Reply #34 on: June 27, 2005, 12:19:58 pm »
The biggest disappointments were James and Collymore though. Today, I look at  Baptista, and Adriano, and I think back to what talent and physique Collymore had, ad although it may seem laughable to some, he should have easily been in the same league as these players, in fact he had all the physical attributes and ability to achieve anything he wanted in football, it's such a shame he was such a lunatic.
Couldn't agree more,he had everything to be a world class player, speed, balance,skill, could score goals and creat them, Only one problem, no bloody brain.
The season he played with rf up front was magic such promice, such waste of talent.



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« Reply #35 on: June 27, 2005, 01:50:40 pm »
The season he played with rf up front was magic such promice, such waste of talent.


Arguably the best forward partnership we've had since Dalglish and Rush, or at least since Aldo and Beardsley.

Collymore and Fowler were electric that season, but as you say, Stan was brainless at times.

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« Reply #36 on: June 27, 2005, 03:59:39 pm »
There was a post last week on the Liverpool forum about the biggest waste of talent the club has had. Myself and plenty of others nominated Collymore, although a bigger waste had to be the team of ’96. Shower of bastards. They could and should have won the league. They could match anyone at the time and totally outplay and destroy teams, sometimes within the first 15 minutes of a game.

The problem with that bunch of lads was commitment, pure and simple. They were too busy thinking about modelling (McAteer and James), playing on the playstation (James),crashing cars (fat boy Ruddock),fucking about playing pass the pound or just going on the piss (the vast majority) and as once seen on TV, in a hired Limo with a camera crew in tow.

I disagree about the relegation bit, don’t think we were ever going to be in that danger (under Souness that did once look a possibility though).Evans was attempting to add to the team, he did try to bring in experience, he tried for Sheringham before he went to that shower down the East Lancs, but claims the board refused him the money, Peter Robinson,however, denied that claim.Desailly and Thuram would only move to a London club if they came to the Prem, Jari wanted Champions League football so chose Barca instead (if the top 4 scenario existed then, Roy would’ve been in every season).There was also the likes of Owen, Carra and Gerrard coming through.

Ultimately, the demise of the players of 95/96 (bar the injured ones) rests 100% on their own shoulders for their stinking attitudes. They held our dreams in their hands and just threw them on the floor and stamped on them.
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« Reply #37 on: June 27, 2005, 08:28:06 pm »
Yet again you've come up with the goods Paul, cracking article.

I was watching the History DVD the other night and it was goin on about how we SHOULD  have won the league in 95/96 and 96/97. Definitely the biggest load of collective talent that has gone to watse in recent times.
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Re: Liverpool FC: the Great Lost Generation
« Reply #38 on: June 27, 2005, 08:47:15 pm »
Little mad at all this as Liverpool under Evans finished in the top 4 every year thus would have qualified for the CL. Obviously Roy did not have that luxury at the time while GH & Rafa have failed to finish in the top 4 twice in the last three seasons. While the team had its failures and yes Evans could have done a few things a little better I still think some of my happiest moments occured while Roy was in charge. He / they may not have collected the trophies that GH & his teams won but the manner Evans side played every year was the closest thing to football we have seen at Anfield for years. His overall winning record is better than Rafas for god sake. Hard to imagine that considering some think his side might have been relegated eventually.....give me a break. If Evans received half  the financial backing GH received then you may have seen a different outcome but thats for the history books. Why oh why is this been regurgitated now is beyond me but even for you younger fans remember this, Gerrard your current Captain and the man who lifted the European trophy was nurtured to near maturity under Evans leadership. Likewise with Jamie Carragher while Owen may in Real these days, his trade was brought to the forefront under Evans. Go ahead and name three players of the same caliber that have been unearthed by GH or Rafa? Alright then name one?

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Re: Liverpool FC: the Great Lost Generation
« Reply #39 on: June 27, 2005, 08:59:36 pm »
If Evans received half  the financial backing GH received then you may have seen a different outcome but thats for the history books.


Not knocking Roy. But his record speaks for itself, as does GH's - one trophy against four. Agreed that 3rd and 4th under Evans would be enough for the CL now. But it wasn't then.

As for financial backing, Roy spent pretty big. Given transfer prices have doubled in general in the last decade, he spent as much *relatively* as GH, given the massive inflation in player values.

£8.5m for Collymore in 1995 was a lot of money! Phil Babb, £3.6m in 1994? McAteer wasn't cheap at £4.5m (imagine paying £9m for him now?), nor was Scales. For the time, he splashed some cash - but even in the mid-90s, you didn't need a squad as big as now, so he didn't buy as many squad flops as GH.

If GH spent more, he could possibly argue that he earned the club more - certainly in 2001, when the club earned a fortune, and 2002 in the Champions Leauge.

I like Roy a lot, but this is not about his Bootroom contribution, it's about his time as manager. 

As for Owen, Gerrard and Carragher, all joined the club as kids and were nurtured mostly by Heighway and his staff. They were great natural talents. GH also did a lot for all three - they certainly played a lot more football, and won a lot more, under GH, than they did Evans. So not sure you can credit Roy for all their success.

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