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Bend...But Never Break
« on: January 7, 2012, 03:52:56 pm »
Dion Fanning, one of the few mainstream journalists that I have any time for, once said of the Roy Hodgson era at Liverpool that “those who believe that Hodgson’s dismissal demonstrates a fundamental shift in Liverpool’s relationship with their manager forget that his appointment was the fundamental shift. Liverpool had never sought middle England’s approval before and those who delighted in the success of a friend never paid attention to the muted sounds of disapproval on Merseyside. Hodgson was the wrong appointment, not an appointment that didn’t get time. There was not a fundamental shift in Liverpool supporters’ relationship with their manager. Roy Hodgson was not their manager. He was Sky’s manager, the establishment’s manager, the English FA’s manager.” This, I think, is a pretty good summation of some of the fundamental reasons why Hodgson was destined to fail at Anfield. Results, naturally, were key as well, but there were also many other factors at play. Liverpool F.C. is not a straightforward, open-and-shut book of football club. Never has been, never will be. The same is true of the city of Liverpool itself. Those who have enjoyed success at Anfield are the ones who understood this. It has been pointed out that the banners and flags on the Kop tend to reference managers (Shankly, Paisley, Fagan, Dalglish, Houllier, Benítez) rather than players. There’s a reason. Values such as loyalty, inner-strength, leadership, hard work and commitment are the ones we hold most dearly, and it is our managers who have historically exhibited these ideals most vividly.

It is why we have the Shankly and Paisley Gates, and why there is a statue of a manager rather than a player outside Anfield. It is also why the faces of Graeme Souness and Roy Hodgson will never sit alongside their aforementioned counterparts on the Kop, not simply because they failed to win much but because they clearly never understood us. Souness called his decision to sell a story to a certain newspaper on the third anniversary of Hillsborough a mistake. That’s not all it was. It was also a fundamental failure to understand the club and its community. Hodgson’s myriad of gaffes over his six months in charge, meanwhile, had us all wondering if he had even the slightest clue of who we are. One listen to You’ll Never Walk Alone would have told him immediately. A great man once defined it like this: “when you’re in a fog you stick together because that way you don’t get lost. If there’s a secret to us, that’s it”. That’s Liverpool F.C. in a nutshell. Agreeing with Alex Ferguson that your star striker is a cheat does not compute. Now think of “middle England”. Think of “the establishment”. Ask yourself what they have ever done for this club. Ask yourself who it was that threw those deplorable accusations around in the aftermath of Hillsborough, who it was that hounded our best manager in 20 years out of a job, who it was that were happy to sit by and watch as £300m worth of debt was heaped upon the club to the point where administration (and probable relegation) beckoned in favour of blaming the manager and the players, who it was that has heaped derision on us for our support of Luis Suárez who (I could say plenty more about it) wasn’t given anything approaching a fair hearing? Who is it that always invites us to “get over” Hillsborough, told us that Istanbul was a fluke, told us that we needed a British manager like Roy, are now telling us that Kenny Dalglish is losing it (it started with James Lawton and Patrick Barclay at the beginning of November, maybe earlier, it has gone into overdrive in the last week)? Do any of these examples sound like those entities have the best interests of this club at heart?

There has been much (correct) talk of reconciliation on this site over the past few days, of how the club should reach out to the media, to community groups, even to Manchester United in the hope that we can all understand and trust each other that little bit more. I whole-heartedly agree with this sentiment, but we must be careful. It needs to be done, but it needs to be done on our terms because a Liverpool F.C. that prostrates itself in front of “middle England” or “the establishment” and simply bows to their wishes is incompatible with the one that I have loved for two decades, the one that started out for me as just a football team that had some of my favourite players on it (Barnes, Beardsley, Aldridge, Rush) and grew into something infinitely more meaningful than that. It’s incompatible with what I know about the city of Liverpool too, a community that has fought its corner more times than I can count.

Consider who you’re talking about here. A media that includes tabloids like The S*n, Daily Mirror, Daily Mail and individuals like David Maddock, Oliver Holt, Martin Lipton, Martin Samuel, Henry Winter, James Lawton, Patrick Barclay and others. A media that includes Talksport and Sky. A football establishment that includes the FA, Alex Ferguson and his cabal of lackeys known as the LMA, Gordon Taylor. Reconciliation across the board with people like that? I have to think that’s impossible without fundamentally changing who we are. We certainly won’t be met halfway, that’s for sure. Already Ferguson has apparently dismissed the idea of talks between the two clubs. Meanwhile, the press have appeared arrogantly unwilling to cede the moral high ground to which they scurried on 20 December.  Obviously the likes of Kick It Out, FARE and others should continue to be embraced, but that’s just it – continue to be embraced. People are acting as though the work done by the club in the past in the fight against racism suddenly counts for nothing. I understand why the likes of Herman Ouseley and Piara Powar (and individuals likes Paul McGrath and Jason Roberts) are so outspoken on this issue. I’m a white man who lives in his own country, a predominantly white one. I’m lucky in that I have never had to deal with racism or discrimination of any kind and I feel 100% empathy with anyone who has. Yet some of their comments have been damaging to this whole process, especially for men in their position. They talk about the responsibilities of Liverpool and Kenny Dalglish, but what about theirs?

If we accept that it behoves the club to reach out, build bridges, talk to the media more, become more intimate with the FA and everything else, then do we have to do all the work? Does the media hysteria seen in the last couple of weeks (which has generally included only one side of the story and been framed with headlines of “RACIST”) and the poor investigation carried out by the FA’s Commission in the first place not hurt this process too? Liverpool F.C. feels aggrieved – anyone who reads the FA Commission report with an open mind will see why – so is it really all on the club to just swallow that, go to the FA, say we’re sorry that our statement said anything bad about you, please forgive us, then go back to Anfield and wait for the next incident that screws the club (e.g. how many other players, besides Mascherano and Torres, were punished because of the Respect Campaign, and was Suárez’s recent one-game ban for an obscene gesture consistent with Wayne Rooney and Ashley Cole’s previous ban of no games for the same offence?), or should the FA instead realise that one of their clubs is unhappy and reach out too in the spirit of reconciliation, realising that a process where the “guilty” have no right to appeal the verdict, only the severity of the punishment, is inherently wrong? Should individuals like Maddock and entities like the Daily Mirror and others not realise, hey, maybe we’re being a bit too hard on the club, maybe that headline of “RACIST” was out of order and we should go to them and apologise rather than burying some half-arsed excuse deep within our website?

If this is all on the club, then we either fundamentally change who we are or this process of reconciliation is doomed from the start. By all means we should bend, but no way should we break. At times like this, you need someone to lead the way. You need what I spoke about back in the first paragraph of this piece - leadership, strength. Nothing illustrates to me that we have the right man at the helm in Kenny Dalglish more than the level of vitriol which has been thrown in his direction over the past week by those aforementioned entities of “middle England” and “the establishment,” two entities who have not been friendly to the club historically. One particularly repugnant piece even reminded the reader that “Dalglish is not a racist. Nobody should be allowed to believe that he is”. Who the fuck suggested he was?! These entities, the ones that we’re charged with reaching out to, want Dalglish gone, maybe replaced with Roy Hodgson again (if he’d still have us, maybe if we beg?) or maybe Martin O’Neill (whose return to management, Henry Winter recently told us, “has been greeted with street parties, certainly a Fleet Street party”). They want us to be nice and compliant, and that’s all they want. There is no meeting us halfway on this, and we need to remember that. It is ultimately on the club and its hierarchy to decide how they go about dealing with these people from here on out, but one thing is for sure, none of them like that Dalglish and the club have not gone grovelling to them, begging forgiveness like some beaten-down housewife apologising for causing her husband to hit her. As supporters, our job is easier. All we need to do is ask “who do we trust,” remember that Liverpool have “never sought middle England’s approval before,” and keep in mind that nobody understands who we are (city and club) more than Kenny Dalglish.

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« Last Edit: January 7, 2012, 05:28:09 pm by E2K »
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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #1 on: January 7, 2012, 04:02:59 pm »
:wellin Fantastic. You really really should post more mate.

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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #2 on: January 7, 2012, 04:12:07 pm »
Brilliant stuff, as always, E2K.
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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #3 on: January 7, 2012, 04:12:10 pm »
Bravo.
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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #4 on: January 7, 2012, 04:17:17 pm »
Yes,  Now more than ever.
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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #5 on: January 7, 2012, 04:18:38 pm »
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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #6 on: January 7, 2012, 04:21:10 pm »
Brilliant, E2K.  :wellin
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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #7 on: January 7, 2012, 04:21:27 pm »
Great post! Well said sir

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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #8 on: January 7, 2012, 04:21:50 pm »
Brilliant post.
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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #9 on: January 7, 2012, 04:21:50 pm »
Great post as always from E2K.

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« Reply #10 on: January 7, 2012, 04:23:12 pm »
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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #11 on: January 7, 2012, 04:24:59 pm »
Excellent post - thank you.

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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #12 on: January 7, 2012, 04:25:18 pm »
Very good piece E2k, agree with everything there. Thank fuck we have Kenny at the helm!

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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #13 on: January 7, 2012, 04:25:22 pm »
Yeah that's a belter.

Hit the nail on the head about the Press. In fact I thought it WAS a Dion Fanning article - thought blimey, he's going for it on his fellow Press hacks!

Well done for a stirring piece!

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« Reply #14 on: January 7, 2012, 04:26:03 pm »
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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #15 on: January 7, 2012, 04:27:29 pm »
A very insightful piece. I like you am white and "live in my own country". Unlike you I have suffered discrimination, stereotyping and prejudice. You see, I was born in Liverpool and have a scouse accent. This means whenever I venture to other parts of my country I can be met with anti-scouse comments and adverse reactions. It's happened to me in such places as Ipswich, Southampton, Cornwall, Leicester and Manchester. For me it's part of hidden racism - I have to accept it as 'banter'. What it does, is make me angry that scousers of all people are being tarred with a racist label. We have more in common with ethnic minorities than most white people. If a black person entered a country pub and the barmaid immediately slammed the till shut and stood guard on it calling for the landlord, he/she might be angry and astonished. I certainly was. I didn't think "A pint of bitter please" implied "I'm going to rob your till". 

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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #16 on: January 7, 2012, 04:29:54 pm »
Fantastic post mate and I agree with every word.

However, and maybe it's just my current mindset and the events of the last couple of months taking it's toll, when I read this paragraph


There has been much (correct) talk of reconciliation on this site over the past few days, of how the club should reach out to the media, to community groups, even to Manchester United in the hope that we can all understand and trust each other that little bit more. I whole-heartedly agree with this sentiment, but we must be careful. It needs to be done, but it needs to be done on our terms because a Liverpool F.C. that prostrates itself in front of “middle England” or “the establishment” and simply bows to their wishes is incompatible with the one that I have loved for two decades, the one that started out for me as just a football team that had some of my favourite players on it (Barnes, Beardsley, Aldridge, Rush) and grew into something infinitely more meaningful than that. It’s incompatible with what I know about the city of Liverpool too, a community that has fought its corner more times than I can count.


and talk of reconciliation it just left me feeling sad and apathetic at the prospect. In my view Liverpool Football Club have been beyond reproach for as long as I can recall with regards to our conduct. No other club acts with the same amount of dignity as we do when you consider how much shit we have thrown at us by all sections of the media.
 We are persecuted by the press, made an example of by the FA time and time again, we are treated with contempt by referees and other managers who view us as an easy target...and no matter how much tolerance we show, no matter how dignified we act, no matter how little we complain we are still treated like a fucking punch bag by all and sundry.
 I don't believe it will ever change. Just look at the way our attempts at 'peace talks' with Utd are being reported. The gutter press are spinning it in such a way they can even mock us over that.
 Rather than reconciliation I'd rather pull up the drawbridge and say a big 'FUCK YOU' to the lot of them.

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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #17 on: January 7, 2012, 04:33:47 pm »
An incredible piece.

It makes me appreciate Kenny that little bit more.
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« Reply #18 on: January 7, 2012, 04:40:58 pm »
Fantastic post E2K :wellin
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« Reply #19 on: January 7, 2012, 04:46:27 pm »
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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #20 on: January 7, 2012, 04:49:03 pm »
Heartily enjoyed that. A prescient and well-written post. Many things are infuriating me at the moment about this whole saga, but the opprobrium directed at Kenny, often with the King put in inverted commas, from journalists linked to swivel-eyed right-wing newspapers that incite more racial hatred than any other organisation you can name, and fans from clubs with histories soaked in infamy, all of them pigmies not fit to clean his soles, makes me fucking livid.
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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #21 on: January 7, 2012, 04:49:32 pm »
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Brilliant piece
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« Reply #22 on: January 7, 2012, 04:50:09 pm »
That is a fantastic post mate. Couldn't have thought it better let alone come anywhere close to writing that.

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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #23 on: January 7, 2012, 04:50:57 pm »
Heartily enjoyed that. A prescient and well-written post. Many things are infuriating me at the moment about this whole saga, but the opprobrium directed at Kenny, often with the King put in inverted commas, from journalists linked to swivel-eyed right-wing newspapers that incite more racial hatred than any other organisation you can name, and fans from clubs with histories soaked in infamy, all of them pigmies not fit to clean his soles, makes me fucking livid.

The minute Kenny took over from their Golden Boy Roy it was written in the cards mate. It's expected really.

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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #24 on: January 7, 2012, 04:55:15 pm »
Fantastic E2K

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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #25 on: January 7, 2012, 05:05:07 pm »
Bloody Hell, what a brilliant OP, agree with every word.

A very insightful piece. I like you am white and "live in my own country". Unlike you I have suffered discrimination, stereotyping and prejudice. You see, I was born in Liverpool and have a scouse accent. This means whenever I venture to other parts of my country I can be met with anti-scouse comments and adverse reactions. It's happened to me in such places as Ipswich, Southampton, Cornwall, Leicester and Manchester. For me it's part of hidden racism - I have to accept it as 'banter'. What it does, is make me angry that scousers of all people are being tarred with a racist label. We have more in common with ethnic minorities than most white people. If a black person entered a country pub and the barmaid immediately slammed the till shut and stood guard on it calling for the landlord, he/she might be angry and astonished. I certainly was. I didn't think "A pint of bitter please" implied "I'm going to rob your till". 

Some years ago I took my family to a rented cottage in Stratford for a holiday.  The cottage was lovely, wood beams and ornaments, really nice, and we were having a great time when we were contacted by a distant relative who was in the area and wanted to pop by and see us.  She lived in the South of England normally.

A bit miffed as we didnt really like this relative and didnt particularly want to see her, but, being family we agreed.

She turns up, plonks herself down on the settee and looks round the cottage and said "I'm surprised they left the ornaments out, knowing you were Scousers"

Sod the lot of them!





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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #26 on: January 7, 2012, 05:06:51 pm »
that really does sum up what its like to be a liverpool supporter we as you so rightly put are not middle england we are Liverpool Football club, brilliant piece that E2K
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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #27 on: January 7, 2012, 05:07:53 pm »
wow
This needs to be posted to all LFC forums asap
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« Reply #28 on: January 7, 2012, 05:10:39 pm »
The best bit of writing I've read since this whole sorry affair started.

Excellent. And extremly well put.  :thumbup


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« Reply #29 on: January 7, 2012, 05:11:14 pm »
Fantastic post, deserves a bigger stage and read by more people.
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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #30 on: January 7, 2012, 05:13:33 pm »
Really wish you posted more E2K. Fantastic as usual.
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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #31 on: January 7, 2012, 05:16:13 pm »
Thanks E2K for taking the time to put your thoughts together, always good to read your thoughts as they usually articulate what the masses are thinking in a calm, collected manner and yet still resonate your passion throughout.
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« Reply #32 on: January 7, 2012, 05:36:06 pm »
Jan 7. Post of the year I'd venture.

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« Reply #33 on: January 7, 2012, 05:37:33 pm »
Well written post and probably expresses what is on most people's minds. I do have concerns that the amount of pressure being placed upon Dalglish by the British media may wear him down, as it appeared to do with Rafa, but of course hope not.


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« Reply #34 on: January 7, 2012, 05:38:07 pm »
Fantastic post, deserves a bigger stage and read by more people.

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« Reply #35 on: January 7, 2012, 05:39:49 pm »
That was a bloody fantastic piece. Great job, E2K.
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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #36 on: January 7, 2012, 05:46:08 pm »
Well written post and probably expresses what is on most people's minds. I do have concerns that the amount of pressure being placed upon Dalglish by the British media may wear him down, as it appeared to do with Rafa, but of course hope not.

I hope not and I don't think it will as he genuinely doesn't give a toss about them

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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #37 on: January 7, 2012, 05:48:08 pm »
Wow, one of the bests posts I've ever read, completely nailed it.
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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #38 on: January 7, 2012, 06:03:30 pm »
Superb post.
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Offline Niru Red4ever

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Re: Bend...But Never Break
« Reply #39 on: January 7, 2012, 06:05:37 pm »
Excellent post  :wellin
Would love the 19th more and more trophies; but would love even more to see a fan owned LFC.