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« Reply #120 on: October 21, 2016, 09:07:05 am »
The Guardian having a go at The Daily Fail and their ilk.

Refugees and Cindy Crawford’s daughter: an age-old problem for the tabloids - By Marina Hyde

The front pages show that the press is still confused about how to deal with difficult feelings



Ooh, it’s the age-old question, isn’t it? How old is OK? When are they old enough? When is it OK to say that something was justified because they didn’t look like a child to you? I notice the Daily Mail this week deploying the famous hair test to determine whether or not it’s OK to go there. Wait – maybe that wasn’t clear and you thought I was talking about another type of hair? Guys, of course not! I’m talking about hair on the upper lip. Look at that one – it’s got bumfluff and it’s flaunting its smile. If anything, it’s us that’s going to be taken advantage of. Old muggins here is going to put out for another little chancer.

But you see the problem. Sometimes it’s really difficult to know whether we’re on about refugees coming to the UK, or underage children of celebrities that you shouldn’t feel bad about having sexual feelings for. Or maybe not you, but whoever chose the “gorgeous” paparazzi picture of the 11-year-old, or wrote the “leggy” picture caption to accompany it. Or whoever decides that the “child” in the phrase “child refugee” can now only appear in print in inverted commas.

Occasionally, it’s almost as if the Mail is deliberately trying to rip a tear in the age-appropriate continuum. Consider Thursday’s front page. The main headline ran: “Give ‘child migrants’ age tests, says Straw.” And right next to it was a picture of Cindy Crawford and her 15-year-old daughter, with an exhortation to “spot the difference”. Well, now you’re asking. I used to be sure it was something about one of them being a child, but I’m starting to lose my bearings. Also: can I give Cindy’s daughter an age test? She looks “older”. Say what you like about political correctness, it will never take our inverted commas from us.

Even so, whenever they’re talking about individuals of indeterminate age – be it refugees or hot minors – I always find it helpful to think of the Mail as engaged in a dangerously perverse take on George Carlin’s famous routine about words you can’t say on TV. “I can prick my finger,” he mused. “But I can’t finger my prick.”

Of course, Lost in Showbiz would like to stress that it’s not just the Mail that’s a bit “confused” about age. When Adam Johnson was found guilty of sexual activity with a 15-year-old this year, the RAG lost no time in denouncing the “pervert footballer”, despite having run pictures of Cindy’s Crawford’s aforementioned daughter during the trial, in which readers were invited to enjoy her “shapely pins”. She was 14 at the time.

Still, maybe the paper knew something we didn’t. Maybe it was using the same two-bit age-recognition software on which the Mail seem to be nosing its entire coverage of the child-refugee issue. It’s not to everyone’s taste, it must be said. I notice Gary Lineker has taken a lot of stick for appearing repulsed by the Mail’s angle – and he will doubtless take a lot more from the paper itself before it is done with him. In case you missed this – Gary reacted to the front page querying the ages of some of the refugees leaving the Calais camp for the UK with a tweet reading: “The treatment by some towards these young refugees is hideously racist and utterly heartless. What’s happening to our country?”

How unforgivable that Gary should have failed to understand the Mail’s byzantine etiquette around the issue of age. He can’t say it hasn’t given him special insights. In fact, it wasn’t all that long ago that I saw a Mail headline inquiring suggestively: “So who’s the younger lady, Gaz?” over a picture of Gary with his “pretty stepdaughter”, who at the time was 11.

At least she was older than Heidi Klum’s daughter, described as a “leggy beauty”, who “showed off her best model walk through the parking lot” after a paparazzo caught her coming out of gym class. She was eight.

In some ways, though, it is through the prism of fathers and daughters that we can gain the most insight into the tabloid view of age. A year ago, I was deeply moved by a rather angsty column written by the Sun’s former editor Kelvin MacKenzie, shortly after José Mourinho had attended an award ceremony with his daughter wearing a dress that seemed to have aroused Kelvin. Aroused him to anger, I should stress. Although I suspect what Kelvin was really saying was that he found the picture appealing – certainly he must have, at some level, to have embarked on such a lengthy deflection mission. “If I were José Mourinho, I wouldn’t be impressed with my 18-year-old daughter,” he fretted. “Surely, no father would enjoy seeing his daughter wear so little.” I bet Donald Trump would. But if Kelvin prefers an answer closer to home, what about Sam Fox’s dad, whose permission he sought to print topless pictures of her when she was 16?

Making Kelvin sound like a moral philosopher, meanwhile, is Tory MP David Davies (not the Brexit secretary – the other one). By chance, I wrote about David last week, when he made some sally in the Great Brexit Marmite wars. This week, he pops up again, declaring from a couple of photos of the Calais refugees that they “don’t look like children”, and demanding they be subjected to dental tests.

Back then to that question: when is it OK to justify something with the observation that they “don’t look like children”? I’m just feeling my way on this. If you are a Tory MP, and about to deploy the phrase “They don’t look like a child”, you need to first ask yourself an important question. Are you looking at pictures of a) a little minx in a miniskirt, or b) someone who has fled a war zone and has been living in a tented migrant camp for months or even years? If it’s a), then it’s not OK, because times have moved on and we’re all a little more enlightened about which bits of our mind palaces we can open to the public. But if it’s b), it’s still totally fine to say it out loud.

David’s such a headline-seeking brainiac that I half expect him to roll out this plan to the Premier League, and demand that the big clubs fund in-nightclub dental screening to guarantee the age of the females the players might want to do it with later. Or maybe the bars could install booths fitted with the shonky age-guessing software the Mail are using?

Failing that, maybe someone could invent some software through which kid-related newspaper copy could be fed, in order to determine whether it’s “bravely saying the things that ought to be said” or “obviously fucking gross”. Consider this exhibit from a Sun article – featuring all! the! shocking! photos! – about a child beauty pageant: “CAVORTING provocatively in a tiny pink swimsuit and clutching a cuddly stuffed kitten, little Ocean Orrey struts her stuff in a British beauty pageant – aged just FOUR.”

So, as we play out, readers, remember: it’s never OK to share pictures of four-year-olds and say they’re “cavorting provocatively” – unless you’re a national newspaper. I mean that seriously. I think you can literally be arrested for it.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2016/oct/20/refugees-and-cindy-crawfords-daughter-an-age-old-problem-for-the-tabloids
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« Reply #121 on: November 2, 2016, 01:44:29 pm »
A truly disgusting paper, kinda hoped the anti foreigner rhetoric would calm down now they've pushed Brexit through but I guess not


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Re: The Daily Mail
« Reply #122 on: November 2, 2016, 02:03:56 pm »
I had no idea all the thousands of drivers I've seen on mobiles were Polish. Bastards!
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« Reply #123 on: November 2, 2016, 04:23:21 pm »
They seem to be in a race with the rag to see who can be the most xenophobic.

Truly shocking racist headlines of late.

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« Reply #124 on: November 2, 2016, 05:14:19 pm »
Funny cos I saw several English people driving all manner of cars, vans on phones this morning on a 4mile journey to work. I also got some c*nt white van driver honking his horn whilst on his mobile because no way was he going to stop at the roundabout with only one hand on the wheel even though I had right of way.

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« Reply #125 on: November 2, 2016, 05:15:47 pm »
Funny cos I saw several English people driving all manner of cars, vans on phones this morning on a 4mile journey to work. I also got some c*nt white van driver honking his horn whilst on his mobile because no way was he going to stop at the roundabout with only one hand on the wheel even though I had right of way.

You must be mistaken, they were clearly immigrants.


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Re: The Daily Mail
« Reply #127 on: November 2, 2016, 09:18:53 pm »
A truly disgusting paper, kinda hoped the anti foreigner rhetoric would calm down now they've pushed Brexit through but I guess not



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Re: The Daily Mail
« Reply #128 on: November 3, 2016, 03:46:34 pm »



I understand them getting mad at the first 2, but they chose to go for the gay tag, really? c*nts. His sexuality is utterly irrelevant
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I understand them getting mad at the first 2, but they chose to go for the gay tag, really? c*nts. His sexuality is utterly irrelevant
and him being an ex Olympic fencer, but he probably didn't medal so that's good reason to use that against him

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Re: The Daily Mail
« Reply #130 on: November 3, 2016, 04:51:15 pm »
A truly disgusting paper, kinda hoped the anti foreigner rhetoric would calm down now they've pushed Brexit through but I guess not



Fuck sake.

They always find a way to lower the bar.

At what point does this become hate speech and not freedom of expression?

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« Reply #131 on: November 3, 2016, 04:52:46 pm »
If he's an ex-Olympic fencer then he will have mixed with all sorts of foreigners at the Olympics so can't possibly be neutral in the issue. And what is someone gay doing being allowed to make judgements on non-gay issues?

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« Reply #132 on: November 3, 2016, 10:35:28 pm »
I thought this is what they wanted British courts making British laws

For a second I thought they were giving away a giant mop tomorrow.

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Re: The Daily Mail
« Reply #133 on: November 3, 2016, 10:38:00 pm »
Absolutely disgusting.
I've just wiped the sticky residue from my bellend onto the television screen. Taste it Leo. You deserve it.
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« Reply #134 on: November 3, 2016, 10:59:48 pm »
They just get worse and worse and worse and they were always awful.
get thee to the library before the c*nts close it down

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Re: The Daily Mail
« Reply #135 on: November 4, 2016, 12:59:18 am »
That front page is spine-chillingly dangerous. I don't think it can be understated just how shocking it is.

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« Reply #136 on: November 4, 2016, 02:05:45 am »
That front page is spine-chillingly dangerous. I don't think it can be understated just how shocking it is.

You've seen nothing yet



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« Reply #137 on: November 4, 2016, 07:24:22 am »
I'm genuinely disgusted
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Re: The Daily Mail
« Reply #138 on: November 4, 2016, 09:53:33 am »
"Contempt of court, often referred to simply as "contempt", is the offence of being disobedient to or disrespectful towards a court of law and its officers in the form of behavior that opposes or defies the authority, justice, and dignity of the court.[1][2] It manifests itself in willful disregard of or disrespect for the authority of a court of law, which is often behavior that is illegal because it does not obey or respect the rules of a law court.[3][4]"

Bang the fucking lot of the Daily Nazi bastards up....else can someone tell me when the book burning and goose stepping starts.

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« Reply #139 on: November 4, 2016, 09:55:15 am »
"Contempt of court, often referred to simply as "contempt", is the offence of being disobedient to or disrespectful towards a court of law and its officers in the form of behavior that opposes or defies the authority, justice, and dignity of the court.[1][2] It manifests itself in willful disregard of or disrespect for the authority of a court of law, which is often behavior that is illegal because it does not obey or respect the rules of a law court.[3][4]"

Bang the fucking lot of the Daily Nazi bastards up....else can someone tell me when the book burning and goose stepping starts.

I was just thinking during when i saw this headline and front page that they could be in contempt. Would be great for them to bring something forward.

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Re: The Daily Mail
« Reply #140 on: November 4, 2016, 09:59:41 am »
Fascist enablers.

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« Reply #141 on: November 4, 2016, 10:05:42 am »
As for reciting Churchill...millions died to continue the tradition established since 1215 of a parliament in this country. The parliamentary democracy developed of hundreds of year since then.

These fuckers are essentially trying to stage a Coup d'Etat through the press.

So let Parliament discuss and debate the issue then...if it is that good an idea, what's to be afraid of?

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« Reply #142 on: November 4, 2016, 10:12:21 am »
You've seen nothing yet



"A crisis as grave as anything since the dark days when Churchill vowed we would fight them on the beaches".

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« Reply #143 on: November 4, 2016, 10:21:58 am »
Those front pages are absolutely disgusting!!!

We've already got 1 dead MP and a number of dead Poles!

It makes me want to vomit

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« Reply #144 on: November 4, 2016, 10:31:10 am »
It's quite sad that there are a generation of hermits who willfully swallow this tripe, to think they'll become a burden on the NHS as well in 10-20 years. They'll be complaining about health care cuts after stagnating our economy with this ridiculous referendum.

This is starting to feel like an event that people will look back on in 50 years time and wonder how we let it happen.
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« Reply #145 on: November 4, 2016, 11:26:04 am »
Their front page for the Jo Cox tragedy described a "loner with mental health issues" going after her. They know exactly what kind of fire they're stoking
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« Reply #146 on: November 4, 2016, 11:26:39 am »
Quite ironically kelvin mckenzie has said he's glad this has happened, probably cancelled his column after that

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« Reply #147 on: November 4, 2016, 11:42:53 am »
I was just thinking during when i saw this headline and front page that they could be in contempt. Would be great for them to bring something forward.
hopefully someone foreign does this

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« Reply #148 on: November 4, 2016, 12:04:49 pm »
Absolutely disgusting.
Its kind of the norm now.

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« Reply #152 on: November 4, 2016, 12:16:20 pm »
I don't come into this thread very often, but when I do , I always feel the need to walk away, have a shower, and rub myself down with a wire brush.


Just when you think the humanity of this country can't sink any lower, the Daily Fail never disappoint.

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« Reply #153 on: November 4, 2016, 12:16:23 pm »
Good grief.

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« Reply #155 on: November 4, 2016, 12:38:52 pm »
Wow judging by those articles its the fricking miracle that you didnt ally nazis in ww2.

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« Reply #156 on: November 4, 2016, 01:05:21 pm »
Good fucking god I've never seen that before.

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« Reply #157 on: November 4, 2016, 01:16:07 pm »


Only just over 400,000 Express readers left.

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« Reply #158 on: November 4, 2016, 01:20:25 pm »
The Express used the Judea declares front page in their own press pack:

http://images.express.co.uk/pdfs/ExpressFactbook.pdf

Average age of their readers is 59. They are dying off.

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« Reply #159 on: November 4, 2016, 01:28:01 pm »
Only just over 400,000 Express readers left.

Does that account for website hits too? With the age of the internet they're able to spread their bile over a much larger area. I read the Daily Mail website is one of the most read English websites in the world
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