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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1760 on: July 25, 2014, 02:08:46 am »
High praise from Rodgers. Leads me to think he'll be our main man in the centre, and Lallana/Sterling/Remy (if he ends up signing) will be on rotation out wide.

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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1761 on: July 25, 2014, 05:09:02 am »
My current favourite player, he's such a joy to watch and I feel very confident in him, he's got it in him to win us games with his through balls and vision.

Also, if/when his shooting improves...oh boy

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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1762 on: July 25, 2014, 05:13:42 am »
Interesting how he has been getting on the ball in deep positions so far during pre season, will this change when stevie comes back in??

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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Third Season....
« Reply #1763 on: July 25, 2014, 09:23:56 am »
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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1764 on: July 26, 2014, 06:38:11 am »
Runs like Ronaldinho a little bit. Not saying he plays like him or will be as good as him. Just the running with the hips style Coutinho does when he is trying to accelerate from a marker. Its very similar to Dinho for me.

Hope he adds more bows to his game and rises as a World class player this season

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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1765 on: July 26, 2014, 07:54:08 pm »
I find it hard to believe Stevie G hasn't given him tips on how to shoot. If Coutinho can add goals to his game, we'll have a WC player

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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1766 on: July 26, 2014, 07:57:59 pm »
Think he's got a huge chance now with the Lallana injury to make the spot his own.

With Suarez gone I think it's clear we're going to start using pace a lot more, with Coutinho at the tip of the midfield, he's going to have opportunity to play some beautiful passes through defences and get Sturridge/Sterling/Remy/Markovic running at goal.
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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1767 on: July 26, 2014, 08:10:19 pm »
He's been looking really sharp this pre-season. Could be about to take it to another level for us this season.

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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1768 on: July 26, 2014, 08:10:52 pm »
I find it hard to believe Stevie G hasn't given him tips on how to shoot. If Coutinho can add goals to his game, we'll have a WC player

I bet he bangs them in during training

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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1769 on: July 29, 2014, 01:30:06 pm »
I get really frustrated and annoyed when he plays left wing. He doesn't have the pace to go around his man and when he inevitably cuts inside, it's not like we have any width (in the form of a flying fullback) to create any doubt in the defenders' mind. He's all too easy to defend against and when he does get a shot away, it's usually awful as we all know. It really really pisses me off to be honest and it'll be torturous trying to see a whole season of it.

We really want him to be playing as the CAM, with everything going through him. So that he can move both ways when he has the ball, and he can pass anywhere he wants to, instead of the reduced passing angles available when at LW. So that his only trick isn't the predictable and easily defended cut inside, and so that he can influence the game more.

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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1770 on: July 29, 2014, 01:32:50 pm »
I get really frustrated and annoyed when he plays left wing. He doesn't have the pace to go around his man and when he inevitably cuts inside, it's not like we have any width (in the form of a flying fullback) to create any doubt in the defenders' mind. He's all too easy to defend against and when he does get a shot away, it's usually awful as we all know. It really really pisses me off to be honest and it'll be torturous trying to see a whole season of it.

We really want him to be playing as the CAM, with everything going through him. So that he can move both ways when he has the ball, and he can pass anywhere he wants to, instead of the reduced passing angles available when at LW. So that his only trick isn't the predictable and easily defended cut inside, and so that he can influence the game more.

The question marks around Coutinho though in that position is that, in a big game against powerful midfields, can he play that number 10 role and not get forced out the play?

Dunno, he is a class player but I personally don't think he is ready yet to be a focal point in that number 10 position. I think Sterling has more in him because of the greater physicality.

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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1771 on: July 29, 2014, 01:39:34 pm »
The question marks around Coutinho though in that position is that, in a big game against powerful midfields, can he play that number 10 role and not get forced out the play?

Dunno, he is a class player but I personally don't think he is ready yet to be a focal point in that number 10 position. I think Sterling has more in him because of the greater physicality.

He doesn't deserve to be on the pitch as an LW ahead of Markovic or Lallana, so it's CAM/CM or bust. 

I think he can easily survive against 'powerful' midfields, my only issues with him at CAM is his own control of the game/ball retention. Can he resist from playing one of the typically overhit low percentage through balls? Can he control every attack and scare the shit out of teams like Silva does? Not yet, but the only way he will learn to do that is by playing in that position. In any case even if he doesn't quite have that left of influence on a game yet, he is still massively effective because of the sheer number of men he beats, through balls he puts in etc.

He played both CAM and CM in the diamond throughout our winstreak at the end of last year, and he played CM in the 4-3-3 from January onwards, and he was excellent throughout.

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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1772 on: July 31, 2014, 04:16:52 am »
what a player our lil phil is...he just needs to bulk up his legs, so he can increase shoting power, and work a little bit more on finishing. If he can add some goals, he can become a 10/10 player
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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1773 on: July 31, 2014, 04:23:59 am »
what a player our lil phil is...he just needs to bulk up his legs, so he can increase shoting power, and work a little bit more on finishing. If he can add some goals, he can become a 10/10 player
Shot power is about your shooting technique, not about how strong your legs are (although that can only help). He can blast a football without needing to bulk his legs
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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1774 on: July 31, 2014, 04:27:17 am »
Shot power is about your shooting technique, not about how strong your legs are (although that can only help). He can blast a football without needing to bulk his legs

Exactly.

His problem is that he always seems to look for that inside post, bottom corner area when he's shooting - but his body shape and hip angle are always going to take the ball away from that area. He could try aiming more centrally, and letting the ball do the work. Or taking his shots earlier and trusting random chance a bit more instead of having everything done with the intention of 100% accuracy.

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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1775 on: July 31, 2014, 04:33:04 am »
I'd be fucking mad as well if I was an Inter fan and saw the type of performances Coutinho has been putting in for the last 18 months.

The way he has been improving is very encouraging. The very definition of a rough diamond just in need of polishing. Rodgers has been focusing on the defensive side of his game and the results are there for all to see.

This has maybe led to him momentarily not showing as much in an attacking sense but as he gets more comfortable working without the ball he will get back to his absolute best when on it. His potential ceiling is so high he could become one of the best player in the world.

Now with Oscar tailing off in the last few months, a call up to the Brazil squad is very much a possibility.
Unfortunately Dunga is a really defensive and pragmatic coach, so I doubt he'd select players like Coutinho and Firmino simply because of their style. He's far more likely to continue the Felipao way and select players like Hernanes and Paulinho. Hopefully I'm wrong though.

If this guys shooting improves he's gonna be up there with the David Silva's in the league imo. You get the sense that he's been trying really hard in these pre-season games to shoot more which is encouraging. Sooner or later he's gonna learn to get his shots on target more, hopefully sooner rather than later :)

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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1776 on: July 31, 2014, 05:42:16 am »
Exactly.

His problem is that he always seems to look for that inside post, bottom corner area when he's shooting - but his body shape and hip angle are always going to take the ball away from that area. He could try aiming more centrally, and letting the ball do the work. Or taking his shots earlier and trusting random chance a bit more instead of having everything done with the intention of 100% accuracy.

I think that was Suarez's problem in his first season or so here. Very few players in the world can find the inside of the post everytime, sometimes it's better to just make sure it's on target with significant power.
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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1777 on: July 31, 2014, 05:51:47 am »
I think that was Suarez's problem in his first season or so here. Very few players in the world can find the inside of the post everytime, sometimes it's better to just make sure it's on target with significant power.

It also gives the other players a chance to nick in and tap home a rebound if he forces the keeper to make a save that he can't control. With Sterling and our other pacy players darting all over the place, this could give us real opportunities. Phil seems like a really smart player to me and I am sure he will make the necessary adjustments.
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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1778 on: July 31, 2014, 06:00:04 am »
At some point, he will have a breakthrough in his shooting, where either he becomes less of a perfectionist, or he works out how to adjust his technique and remain a perfectionist. Sooner or later, it is going to 'click' by one of those two ways. Hopefully, it'll be this season, because we need goalscoring threats from midfield.

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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1779 on: July 31, 2014, 06:01:32 am »
At some point, he will have a breakthrough in his shooting, where either he becomes less of a perfectionist, or he works out how to adjust his technique and remain a perfectionist. Sooner or later, it is going to 'click' by one of those two ways. Hopefully, it'll be this season, because we need goalscoring threats from midfield.

It seems to have clicked with Sterling. Imagine if it clicked with Coutinho, plus we have Sturridge, Gerrard, Henderson, Lambert, Lallana, Markovic, and possibly Can too, who can all score. We certainly wouldn't be lacking for options :D
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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1780 on: July 31, 2014, 06:03:02 am »
I think that was Suarez's problem in his first season or so here. Very few players in the world can find the inside of the post everytime, sometimes it's better to just make sure it's on target with significant power.
Absolutely. Suarez would always try the ridiculous outside-of-the-foot shot from impossible angles in his first season with us, to a really frustrating degree for fans and teammates. That's one of the main areas he improved drastically under Rodgers though, and I'm sure Coutinho has some sort of coaching agenda in place for him to improve his shooting and decision making in front of goal too

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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1781 on: July 31, 2014, 08:35:57 am »
Ever notice how often he beats a player who looks like their feet are stuck to the ground. He is a master at using the opponents balance to beat them. He shifts their balance with a drop of a shoulder and then nudges past them on the other side. ItŽs fucking hilarious. It reminds me of when you saw old videos of Garrincha and people would say "fuck sake, they donŽt even try to tackle him. No wonder he looked so good. I could walk past that defence". Honestly, go find a video of Garrincha, preferably when he was getting on in years and lost his acceleration. He would just put defenders on the wrong foot and walk past them... or stagger as he was probably drunk himself. I guarantee you someone in his family was a massive Botafogo fan and used to stick on old videos of Garrincha playing when he was a kid. The way he shifts his weight to put a defender off balance is identical.

The biggest problem with the Ronaldinho comparison is that he tended to use tricks to beat players a lot and would showboat way more than was neccessary. Coutinho beats players to make space and is then pretty ruthless in exploiting it.

Coutinho lacks one of two things though. If he had either that little burst of acceleration that most great dribblers had (Pelé, Best, Messi, Matthews, Ronaldo) or strength and power (Ibrahimovic, Zidane) then he would be pretty unstopable with the ball at his feet. Unfortunately, his shooting also sucks. He does some things well (e.g power little to no backlift) but as PoP pointed out, he has a tendancy to go near post and drag it wide almost every single time.
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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1782 on: July 31, 2014, 08:42:57 am »
Exactly.

His problem is that he always seems to look for that inside post, bottom corner area when he's shooting - but his body shape and hip angle are always going to take the ball away from that area. He could try aiming more centrally, and letting the ball do the work. Or taking his shots earlier and trusting random chance a bit more instead of having everything done with the intention of 100% accuracy.



Care to expand on the shooting technique thing ?

Seem to see alot of football fans come out with this 'bulk up their legs to increase shooting power thing'

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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1783 on: July 31, 2014, 08:52:34 am »
Phillipe 'The Perfectionist' Coutinho, I like it.
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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1784 on: July 31, 2014, 09:10:58 am »
Care to expand on the shooting technique thing ?

Seem to see alot of football fans come out with this 'bulk up their legs to increase shooting power thing'

One of the hardest recorded goals in the Premier League era was by Paul Scholes.

Then there is this guy


He can kick a ball so hard you literally cannot see it. 221 km/h or 132 mph. Jesus fucking christ. Not exactly Roberto Carlos tree trunk legs. Speaking of which, his strikes are usually in the high 80's mph. A full 40 mph short of Ronny "the ball killer" Heberson.

Then there is Matt Le Tissier who was all technique and no muscle. Look at the legs on this flimsy bag of piss.


He also was famed for some rocket shots and this shot against Newcastle is harder than any strike by Roberto Carlos. Then you have the likes of David Hirst clocking in a strike at 114 mph.

In summary, IŽm sure bulking up your legs would help a little. It isnŽt neccessary though to increase shot power. Direction actually seems Coutinho's biggest problem anyway. Plus if he bulks up his legs it would take a lot away from his fleet footed dribbling style.
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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1785 on: July 31, 2014, 09:42:15 am »
One of the hardest recorded goals in the Premier League era was by Paul Scholes.

Then there is this guy


He can kick a ball so hard you literally cannot see it. 221 km/h or 132 mph. Jesus fucking christ. Not exactly Roberto Carlos tree trunk legs. Speaking of which, his strikes are usually in the high 80's mph. A full 40 mph short of Ronny "the ball killer" Heberson.

Then there is Matt Le Tissier who was all technique and no muscle. Look at the legs on this flimsy bag of piss.


He also was famed for some rocket shots and this shot against Newcastle is harder than any strike by Roberto Carlos. Then you have the likes of David Hirst clocking in a strike at 114 mph.

In summary, IŽm sure bulking up your legs would help a little. It isnŽt neccessary though to increase shot power. Direction actually seems Coutinho's biggest problem anyway. Plus if he bulks up his legs it would take a lot away from his fleet footed dribbling style.

Cheers BabuYagu, nice to read

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On the subject of Coutinho, where do people feel is his best position, i've felt for sometime its at AM but i see many people constantly put him into their sides on the wing

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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1786 on: July 31, 2014, 10:14:34 am »
For a while there was a growing trend in the premier league to us e a skillful advanced man making the plays.   There was Silva, Mata, Carzola, and United kept trying it with kagawa and later Rooney but couldn't quite manage it.  Oscar is one of the newer of that type and that Swiss kid spurs bought also.

When Coutinho came in I was expecting a tricky winger, too slight on the ball to make any real impact but would beat his man and cause a little chaos, get a few crosses in.   How wrong was I?

I wouldn't trade him for anyone.  He's our little Libero.   He's already better than the players I've named bar Silva and he's got so much developing left to do.

My personal favourite move is when he draws in his marker in midfield, spins on the ball and sprints forward.. you can see everyone on the opposition team panicking and not knowing where to move.

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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1787 on: July 31, 2014, 10:24:31 am »
Anybody think he actually looks faster this year so far? I defo think he has got quicker.
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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1788 on: July 31, 2014, 10:28:39 am »
He is getting close to 50 league appearances.  That's a good level of experience and you'd hope he leverages that in the coming season to push his game on. 

An incredibly exciting player but needs to develop consistency.  In conversation with someone yesterday and the Coutinho/Lallana comparison came up with regards to the Lallana fee.  Lallana is a better player than Coutinho right now but if the competition for that starting place makes Coutinho a better player than the Lallana investment will be paying dividends long into the future. 

Another thought knocking around my head recently is that Coutinho would probably be one of the players to benefit from Suarez leaving (a rare thing).  In terms of creativity & unpredictability, Suarez more than filled the role.  I think the other players more or less knew that when that ball gets to Suarez you should expect/anticipate anything.  Coutinho often looked out of place as the supporting act because we didn't need any more unpredicatability than what was on offer from Suarez (more than enough!).  So now Coutinho may assume a more natural role as the creative hub.  Let's see.

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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1789 on: July 31, 2014, 10:33:05 am »
Coutinho is the key to everything.

Sturridge/Markovic/Lambert/Ibe/Sterling have got to see when he's looking to release it, and the key is probably to make your run half a second earlier than normal.  Coutinho is like a infra-red motion sensor, it might look like he's paying no attention to what's around him, but if you begin a run then he's the first to notice the movement and react to it.

We're going to do some serious damage to the run of the mill sides this year, it'd be great to see Can as the deep midfielder and then Coutinho and Lallana playing ahead of him. 
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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1790 on: July 31, 2014, 04:58:52 pm »
Anybody think he actually looks faster this year so far? I defo think he has got quicker.

Not sure, I actually think he is starting to perfect his dribbling technique and as a result the more "off balance" he can make an opponent the longer it is before they can recover and try to chase back. HeŽll leave a few defenders on their ass this season for sure.
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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1791 on: July 31, 2014, 05:03:33 pm »
Care to expand on the shooting technique thing ?

Seem to see alot of football fans come out with this 'bulk up their legs to increase shooting power thing'

What are you interested in knowing about the shooting technique thing?
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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1792 on: July 31, 2014, 05:09:03 pm »
Cheers BabuYagu, nice to read

Is there anywhere i can read more on the subject of shooting technique ? Its something i've been fascinated with for some time and always hear about things like books about the physics of striking a football, but never any names of them or places you can read more about the subject.

On the subject of Coutinho, where do people feel is his best position, i've felt for sometime its at AM but i see many people constantly put him into their sides on the wing

Only thing I can find out here in Brazil is this video entitled "Futebol Chute Forte" or "Football Power Shot" in English.

If that doesnŽt help then I would ask PoP as he is far more likely to have the answer than me. I do wonder if it has something to do with playing barefoot either beach soccer or five-a-side in Brazil. There is an U13 side that play on astroturf near my house here and the power some of those kids generate hitting the ball barefoot makes me wince. The balls seem heavier here too. Which means playing with boots with a lighter ball might just make power a by-product of those 2 cultural things?

I wonder how hard young Eusebio, for example, could hit a ball in modern football.
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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1793 on: July 31, 2014, 05:10:43 pm »

Another thought knocking around my head recently is that Coutinho would probably be one of the players to benefit from Suarez leaving (a rare thing).  In terms of creativity & unpredictability, Suarez more than filled the role.  I think the other players more or less knew that when that ball gets to Suarez you should expect/anticipate anything.  Coutinho often looked out of place as the supporting act because we didn't need any more unpredicatability than what was on offer from Suarez (more than enough!).  So now Coutinho may assume a more natural role as the creative hub.  Let's see.


Agree with this. A lot has been said about how we will replace Suarez's goals, but Coutinho seems to me to be the one who is equipped to replace the "make things happen" (often out of nothing) ability. I love the way the other players are so much more willing to make their runs when PC has the ball at his feet. Frustrating how many of his through-balls only 'almost' make it, though.
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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1794 on: July 31, 2014, 05:16:34 pm »
Lallana is a better player than Coutinho right now but if the competition for that starting place makes Coutinho a better player than the Lallana investment will be paying dividends long into the future.

Haha what? How does that work then?

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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1795 on: July 31, 2014, 05:24:17 pm »
Haha what? How does that work then?
He's saying by signing Lallana (who is currently a level ahead of Coutinho) we could also give Coutinho a kick up the arse into becoming a better player. Kind of a 2 birds one stone thing. Lallana improves our squad right now but the competition could be really beneficial for Coutinho and so the Lallana investment not only has the short term impact of bringing the player himself in but also the long term impact of pushing Coutinho to a higher level so he can fulfil his potential
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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1796 on: July 31, 2014, 05:27:24 pm »
What are you interested in knowing about the shooting technique thing?

Just more about what defines what is regarded as good shooting technique, what generates power, just general information about striking the ball for shots and how the ball should be struck for different types of shots.

I play football on weekends and i'm always interested in learning more about pretty much everything, in terms of shooting ts good to have a better understanding of players technique and see where some go wrong. I have my own theories on Coutinhos shooting and where he's going wrong, but it would be good to know more about how the ball should actually be struck for different types of shots and have a better all round understanding of it.

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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1797 on: July 31, 2014, 05:34:18 pm »
Just more about what defines what is regarded as good shooting technique, what generates power, just general information about striking the ball for shots and how the ball should be struck for different types of shots.

I play football on weekends and i'm always interested in learning more about pretty much everything, in terms of shooting ts good to have a better understanding of players technique and see where some go wrong. I have my own theories on Coutinhos shooting and where he's going wrong, but it would be good to know more about how the ball should actually be struck for different types of shots and have a better all round understanding of it.

Cheers for the link BabuYagu, much appreciated

All striking technique starts from the general body shape and hip position in relation to the incoming path of the ball and the outgoing path of the ball, then goes to the position of the plant foot, up through the standing leg (unless it's a bicycle kick), across the hips, up to the upper body and head position, arm position for balance, and then down through the striking leg incorporating back-lift and/or hip flexor power generation, contact area of the foot, part of the ball being struck, follow through, and landing/placement of the kicking foot after the strike.

In my opinion and observation, Coutinho's hip position is often too narrow to the target he's aiming for, and so he tends to have a smaller margin of error, and so pulls the ball wide more often than not.

If he could generate more power with less torque of the hips, he could probably get the shots more on target with a flatter contact and approach. The way he strikes the ball now though (through the centre, diagonally across the ball, above the centre line of the ball, and with a rotating follow through), he leaves himself almost no chance of "getting it right by getting it wrong" - which is actually a hallmark of Suarez's shooting. Suarez cares less for technical perfection and more for chance and luck - so he takes a huge amount of technically imperfect shots, but scores a high amount of goals because a lot of his shots are just close enough to technically perfect to go beyond the keeper's reach, but not hit in a technically perfect manner. Sturridge and Coutinho, to my mind, suffer from the same mindset in their shooting (looking for the perfect placement), although Sturridge will take more chances than Coutinho does. But nobody in the Premier League took more chances than Suarez in terms of their technical execution of a shot, and there's a lesson to be learned there. To score, "just good enough" is perfectly acceptable.
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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1798 on: July 31, 2014, 05:52:53 pm »
He's saying by signing Lallana (who is currently a level ahead of Coutinho) we could also give Coutinho a kick up the arse into becoming a better player. Kind of a 2 birds one stone thing. Lallana improves our squad right now but the competition could be really beneficial for Coutinho and so the Lallana investment not only has the short term impact of bringing the player himself in but also the long term impact of pushing Coutinho to a higher level so he can fulfil his potential

I know what he said. I asked how that works.

Why is competition a motivator?

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Re: Philippe Coutinho - Second Season
« Reply #1799 on: July 31, 2014, 06:21:39 pm »
Why is competition a motivator?

Probably because good and great players have ultra-competitive personalities. If the competition is too fierce, a la Suarez and Sturridge at times last season, it might be a de-motivator, but otherwise I think competition motivates players just because it suits their personalities. I've had the pleasure and discomfort of knowing a few high-level athletes over the years, and they like to win at everything they do. To an absurd extent sometimes. Lallana and Coutinho might be very good for each other.
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