Teasing about each other's history is fine, be a sad sad day if we could never do that. If that is all zero zero was doing, I apologize.
Seriously arguing (and it is something I have come across before) we should be grateful to Wenger becuase we were nothing before him? That is what I was objecting to. Again if he just pulling the leg, my apologies but as I said, I have known people who really believe the kind of thing he was saying.
Wow! You really did get the wrong end of the stick there (probably due to me only posting a single line). So, let me clear one thing up and then expand on my earlier point. The Marble Halls of Highbury were real and show that Arsenal were a big and successful club long before Wenger turned up. I wasn't dismissing your past achievements in any way.
My point, (poorly made) was to highlight one of the things that some Arsenal fans now take for granted - the type football you've grown accustomed to watching. There was a time when Arsenal were famous for boring, dour football. Snapshot memories of my youth involving Arsenal have Tony Adams appealing for offside and then applauding the linesman afterward. And that Michael Thomas goal and celebration, obviously. Wenger has built difficult to beat sides, trophy-winning sides, and sides that were genuinely exhilarating going forward.
I've heard Simeone being mooted as a possible successor to Wenger, but is that really the type of football you want to watch. Sure, Simeone is a winner and gettable from an Arsenal point of view, but the football his teams play leaves me cold. I'm very thankful we have Klopp. Nothing highlights the difference in systems than when I watch our players representing England. Lallana and Henderson are crucial cogs in how we play, but stick them in the England set up and they are part of a team playing awful to watch football.
I love what Wenger has done for Arsenal and the evolution of the club is great. But he has been in the job for 20 years now. It is now stale for me and I think he needs to just give it up now. If he can't win the league for Arsenal, he should not be the manager anymore.
How is it "stale" at this point in the season? As Liverpool fans, we think we still have a shot at the title. No doubt Tottenham fans think the same. You're a point behind us.
Why not give it a try? We haven't won the league for 12 years, Wenger doesn't know how to win the league now. I'd rather fail miserably while having a go than settle for top 4 mediocrity. I am not arsed about finishing in the Champions League places every season. If anything I would prefer if we weren't in the competition for a few years.
The Europa league would be a new experience, something different. The main issue is boredom among our fanbase right now, lets try something different.
This screams entitlement. So, you take a little holiday in the Europa League for a bit of variety and come back when you want. Except there are now six teams competing for those four places. You take your holiday and you don't know when you'll be back. And then you might find that securing players like Ozil, Sanchez and even Mustafi won't be so easy when all you've got is away trips to Rubin Kazan to tempt them.
We've seen this entitlement with sections of our own fan base. Who cares if you're ranked no.1 in Europe if Rafa "doesn't understand" the league. You are of course entitled to want a change of manager but you better pray whoever makes the decsion has the right man lined up before you do it.