Topic: Peter Moore CEO

[paulrazor]

How do people know some much about this bloke? I didn't realise there were so many avid followers of business on here.

haha. Sure most wouldn't have heard of him last sunday

[TepidT2O]

Interesting this talk of a sporting director like Monshi...

He could never succeed at Liverpool.  His model of player buying wouldn't be acceptable at a club like ours.

This is not to say ours is acceptable, but you couldn't run his strategy at a club the size of ours without a fans revolt.

[Advil]

Yep, there still exists a massive vacuum at the top in Liverpool FC. Moores position is merely trivial, and he will just be trawled out to offer some PR speak that Ayre lacked, spinning out some rent a quotes regarding new sponsorship deals or player signings.

The vacuum that exists is the major concern. As you say, Michael Edwards - the lad who has obviously never heard the saying 'a camel is a horse designed by committee'. In its essence, that quote sums up the tawdry shoddy business him and his cohorts have undertaken at Liverpool. A hodge podge gathering of a squad that is neither good enough nor the sum of its parts.

The lad Edwards and co (the equally useless Barry Hunter, Dave Fallows, Mike Gordon) like to offer a pretence that makes them look innovative, sophisticated and supreme with their recruitment strategy, but the reality is they are merely incompetent scatterbrains offering a scattergun approach at the bargain bins of the transfer market.

Utterly utterly useless.

It will be nice if Moore decides to sack all this underperforming staffs.  Get only the best with great proven record of finding good youth players and finding players that are not needed for their club like Coutinho.

[Advil]

Interesting this talk of a sporting director like Monshi...

He could never succeed at Liverpool.  His model of player buying wouldn't be acceptable at a club like ours.

This is not to say ours is acceptable, but you couldn't run his strategy at a club the size of ours without a fans revolt.

Monchi and Zorc will never come to us due to the loyalty with their respective clubs. 

If either was willing they will be perfect for LFC.

[Johnny Foreigner]

Interesting this talk of a sporting director like Monshi...

He could never succeed at Liverpool.  His model of player buying wouldn't be acceptable at a club like ours.

This is not to say ours is acceptable, but you couldn't run his strategy at a club the size of ours without a fans revolt.

Monchi was employed when sevilla got relegated years ago. His marching orders were to revamp their youth system and create a scouting network to identify talent.

He has overdelivered to say it the least, but I am not really sure what the marching orders were for our sporting people..

[CraigDS]

Yep, there still exists a massive vacuum at the top in Liverpool FC. Moores position is merely trivial, and he will just be trawled out to offer some PR speak that Ayre lacked, spinning out some rent a quotes regarding new sponsorship deals or player signings.

The vacuum that exists is the major concern. As you say, Michael Edwards - the lad who has obviously never heard the saying 'a camel is a horse designed by committee'. In its essence, that quote sums up the tawdry shoddy business him and his cohorts have undertaken at Liverpool. A hodge podge gathering of a squad that is neither good enough nor the sum of its parts.

The lad Edwards and co (the equally useless Barry Hunter, Dave Fallows, Mike Gordon) like to offer a pretence that makes them look innovative, sophisticated and supreme with their recruitment strategy, but the reality is they are merely incompetent scatterbrains offering a scattergun approach at the bargain bins of the transfer market.

Utterly utterly useless.

I bet you couldn't even point out one exact bit of work or opinion any of those you've mentioned have given at the club over the last 12 months. So quite how you're able to pass judgement is beyond me.

[Too early for flapjacks?]

So we've ended up with this?

[CraigDS]

The role descriptions are probably a little out, but in general they aren't too far off.

Werner also owns more than 10% along with Henry and Gordon.

[rocco]

Interesting this talk of a sporting director like Monshi...

He could never succeed at Liverpool.  His model of player buying wouldn't be acceptable at a club like ours.

This is not to say ours is acceptable, but you couldn't run his strategy at a club the size of ours without a fans revolt.

He works the way suits Sevilla and would just do the same here

[BER]

Have any of our players gone onto senior management in any industry post football?

[Suareznumber7]

Monchi and Zorc will never come to us due to the loyalty with their respective clubs. 

If either was willing they will be perfect for LFC.

Monchi tried to leave Sevilla last summer.  What loyalty to Sevilla would stop him from coming to LFC?

[mattD]

I bet you couldn't even point out one exact bit of work or opinion any of those you've mentioned have given at the club over the last 12 months. So quite how you're able to pass judgement is beyond me.

12 months? Theres five years of shoddy transfers on show, meaning we're still desperately playing catchup.

[Purple Red]

He's rather famous.

Fair enough, but I'd wager that the majority of Liverpool fans don't know who he is.

[CraigDS]

12 months? Theres five years of shoddy transfers on show, meaning we're still desperately playing catchup.

I'm taking about their specific hand in things. What they actually did, recommended, anything to suggest you have some sort of actual knowledge of their activity over the last 12 months which would allow you to make an educated assessment (rather than pure guess) at their ability.

[Geezer08]

I'm taking about their specific hand in things. What they actually did, recommended, anything to suggest you have some sort of actual knowledge of their activity over the last 12 months which would allow you to make an educated assessment (rather than pure guess) at their ability.

I think Matt's point is that since FSG took over we havent really progressed football wise.

And, as in any other business, senior management is judged by the end results, and not the process. If you cant transform you knowledge and skills into results then its useless. We have since FSG took over invested roughly 150mil into our squad without seeing any improvements, this could indicate that the people in charge of recruitment is not really capable.

However, the issue is that the expectation and results is not aligned between FSG and the fans. In the eyes of FSG senior management might exceed their goals, but in the eyes of fans the senior management is pretty useless on the football side.

[CraigDS]

I think Matt's point is that since FSG took over we havent really progressed football wise.

And, as in any other business, senior management is judged by the end results, and not the process. If you cant transform you knowledge and skills into results then its useless. We have since FSG took over invested roughly 150mil into our squad without seeing any improvements, this could indicate that the people in charge of recruitment is not really capable.

However, the issue is that the expectation and results is not aligned between FSG and the fans. In the eyes of FSG senior management might exceed their goals, but in the eyes of fans the senior management is pretty useless on the football side.

No, I get the concept of judging employees by their end results, however you have to look at their input in to these end results that are being judged - hence me asking what their input was. If you don't know then I'm a little unsure exactly how you're able to make any sort of judgment which isn't complete rubbish.

[mattD]

No, I get the concept of judging employees by their end results, however you have to look at their input in to these end results that are being judged - hence me asking what their input was. If you don't know then I'm a little unsure exactly how you're able to make any sort of judgment which isn't complete rubbish.

What their input was? Mate, just look at the calvacade of mediocrity that arrived at Liverpool as players, are you seriously telling me that the Transfer Committee operates in spite of FSG?

They do the hiring, firing and all the signings of all senior members (including the incompetent unqualified committee members) - and we're still in limbo under them. If you told me one trophy in 7 years as owners and just one top 4 finish was what we'd get under FSG back in October 2010, then I'd say that's the result of bad ownership. Or are we just going to keep using the managers as scapegoats?

[CraigDS]

What their input was? Mate, just look at the calvacade of mediocrity that arrived at Liverpool as players, are you seriously telling me that the Transfer Committee operates in spite of FSG?

They do the hiring, firing and all the signings - and we're still in limbo under them. If you told me one trophy in 7 years as owners and just one top 4 finish was what we'd get under FSG back in October 2010, then I'd call that bad ownership.

Or are we just going to keep useing the managers as scapegoats?

Once again, you're ignoring any sort of individual role these people played. It's like you think they've got some sort of hive mind which all thought the same, therefore should all be judged and treated the same.

I'm not sure what you do for a living, but if you work in a team and do every single thing right, as required of you from your bosses, but then someone else on your team fucks up their part which results in a bad decision being made - should you be judged the same as that one who fucked up?

[Eeyore]

Once again, you're ignoring any sort of individual role these people played. It's like you think they've got some sort of hive mind which all thought the same, therefore should all be judged and treated the same.

I'm not sure what you do for a living, but if you work in a team and do every single thing right, as required of you from your bosses, but then someone else on your team fucks up their part which results in a bad decision being made - should you be judged the same as that one who fucked up?

You mean the way LFC was run in our pomp with a sense of collective responsibility.

[CraigDS]

You mean the way LFC was run in our pomp with a sense of collective responsibility.

Collective responsibility does not mean if there is a problem that everyone is blamed and all are sacked.

[John C]

Can we keep general observations about FSG in the appropriate thread please

[RedSince86]

I only know this guy from his E3 appearances.

With respect to the guy,FSG have been looking for a CEO for a long time and this guy even though not in football sense seems to know his stuff about a CEO position,he must be highly rated as Microsoft seemed to be disappointed in him leaving when he joined EA sports,and i'm sure it will be the same with EA as well.

Good to know he is a scouser and longtime Red,he'll be wanting the club to be strong on and off the pitch under his tenure as CEO,i don't see why people can question this,he has a great pedigree at steering a ship in business and making bold decisions,read what he did when he took on Sony when the XBOX came out,the marketing strategy and getting big gaming studios under the microsoft umbrella away from Sony clutches for exclusivity,i'm sure he did something similar with the FIFA franchise against pro Evo who were the top dogs at the time in football games and well FIFA is the football game of choice now with a huge market share.

Lets hope he can do something like that with our club that gets us stronger on and off the pitch by using his experience and making bold decisions.

He seems to strive to be the best when he is in a leadership position.

[Lycan]

I say give the bloke a chance. He might actually do a really good job.

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

Personally, his business connections, especially those with EA, will probably mean entirely new revenue streams for us. Really, from the business side of things, I see nothing wrong with this appointment at all.

But I must admit, I still hate the fact that he worked for that vile corporation, no matter how nice he is of a man. Hope he does a great job for us.

[the_red_pill]

I don't like the company EA but it seems like Moore is creative and innovative with his marketing ideas as well as a genuine passion for LFC so hopefully that means good things for us. He grew up wanting to be a footballer from Liverpool and started his business career from the bottom in Liverpool, knows about the game and did some coaching in America so we know he has a passion for the game and can also speak well and lead. Then obviously with his job in EA with the FIFA game he would've met and liaised with a lot of football people and analysts.

Let see how he does his job and what roles he will assume before sticking the knife in...

I'm not slagging Edwards, but Moore does seem like a better fit for a(our) Sporting Director. He's obviously much more ambitious to take on that role, but still..

[the_red_pill]

Monchi and Zorc will never come to us due to the loyalty with their respective clubs. 

If either was willing they will be perfect for LFC.

Fuck them anyway. We need to work on us.

There is a relatively successful DoF/Technical Director in Brittain anyway- Les Reed, but we can't just raid Southampton whenever we feel like it. Les has laid out Southampton's direction for the foreseeable future- starting in 2010. The profile of player, the style of play, the type of manager etc..
That's why Southampton's been able to unearth such talented players who could perform FOR THEM(not necessarily for other philosophies).

We'll just have to see how things will work out for us. Kenny/Barnes/Nicol could've been great DoFs- who knows, but you can't get everything you want.

[AaronSingh25]

Reading Mike Gordons old interview in the Echo - someone who is rumoured is the main man running the ship here at Liverpool, i have my doubts whether Moore will be actually running the ship as a CEO in the true regard. Or if Gordon is still the main man in charge, making all decisions. With the actual CEO is just the lacky running around doing the leg work.

Never believed Ayre was in charge in the true sense, but looking at Moore's background i very much doubt he is just here to do the leg work in the way Ayre was.

[mattD]

Fuck them anyway. We need to work on us.

There is a relatively successful DoF/Technical Director in Brittain anyway- Les Reed, but we can't just raid Southampton whenever we feel like it. Les has laid out Southampton's direction for the foreseeable future- starting in 2010. The profile of player, the style of play, the type of manager etc..
That's why Southampton's been able to unearth such talented players who could perform FOR THEM(not necessarily for other philosophies).

We'll just have to see how things will work out for us. Kenny/Barnes/Nicol could've been great DoFs- who knows, but you can't get everything you want.

Just a quick deviation from the topic, but Les Reed's transformation from typical low grade English coach to forward thinking and modern thinking Director of Football is quite remarkable.

[Too early for flapjacks?]

Reading Mike Gordons old interview in the Echo - someone who is rumoured is the main man running the ship here at Liverpool, i have my doubts whether Moore will be actually running the ship as a CEO in the true regard. Or if Gordon is still the main man in charge, making all decisions. With the actual CEO is just the lacky running around doing the leg work.

Never believed Ayre was in charge in the true sense, but looking at Moore's background i very much doubt he is just here to do the leg work in the way Ayre was.

From what I understood Ayre's role narrowed over recent times and Gordon's expanded. It wouldn't surprise me if Gordon takes a step back now that Moore and the wider desired structure is in place. I'm sure he'll still be the FSG representative taking the most interest in the club but I doubt he'll be getting involved with negotiating transfers and other day to day operational activities.

[Petadroli]

Reading Mike Gordons old interview in the Echo - someone who is rumoured is the main man running the ship here at Liverpool, i have my doubts whether Moore will be actually running the ship as a CEO in the true regard. Or if Gordon is still the main man in charge, making all decisions. With the actual CEO is just the lacky running around doing the leg work.

Never believed Ayre was in charge in the true sense, but looking at Moore's background i very much doubt he is just here to do the leg work in the way Ayre was.

The board of directors define goals to be achieved by the club (see: http://www.liverpoolfc.com/corporate/directors).

Roger Moore, as Ian Ayre before him, can influence these goals as a member of the board of directors. He is responsible for reaching these goals, defining a strategy to best reach these goals and of course implementing this strategy in the corporation.

[CraigDS]

Roger Moore, as Ian Ayre before him, can influence these goals as a member of the board of directors.

[paulrazor]

Roger Moore, as Ian Ayre before him, can influence these goals as a member of the board of directors. He is responsible for reaching these goals, defining a strategy to best reach these goals and of course implementing this strategy in the corporation.

Moore had to create a unique bond in the hierarchy

[Samie]

We don't know what FSG  asked of Moore. The document read "For Your Eyes Only".

[gazzam1963]

We Just love Southampton don't we , are new CEO is an ex saint

[Chakan]

We Just love Southampton don't we , are new CEO is an ex saint

In what capacity?

[sms1986]

In what capacity?

Television, mostly.

[Lycan]

In what capacity?

TV star.

[gazzam1963]

TV star.

loved it as a kid

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Saint_(TV_series)

[Eeyore]

TV, prozone, EA anything but real football but then again in the emails JWH in 2010 made it clear that he thought the brightest and best didn't currently work in Soccer.

[sms1986]

TV, prozone, EA anything but real football but then again in the emails JWH in 2010 made it clear that he thought the brightest and best didn't currently work in Soccer.

I don't see the point of posting this, it's hardly anything new to what you keep saying.