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Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« on: October 26, 2006, 01:14:21 am »
Well, not really, but the Rick Wakeman look-a-likey in front of me was left eating his words, after saying ‘I hope this goes to extra time, just so I get me money’s worth’ on 40 minutes.

Robbie Fowler, who had struggled to get into the game after always seeming to be 10 yards away from any Peter Crouch flick, scored a goal that was reminiscent of the one he scored against Fulham last season. In terms of significance, that is. Although a lack of consistency in front of goal can hardly be described as a barren run, it was still a welcome relief.

If Rick Wakeman – your typical mini-Rafa – in front wasn’t enough, beside me was a child more fidgety than Benitez himself and from my seat in the Paddock I can confirm the first sighting of the Spaniard came after a whopping 10 minutes. Surely that is some sort of record?

Without Gerrard on the field, there was a lack of drive from midfield and Jermaine Pennant was being marked out of the game by De La Cruz – described as ‘the bomb’ by Villa fans, on account of the fact ‘he could go off any minute'. But his thuggish, tough-tackling nature seemed to work a treat in the early stages as Pennant avoided the right-wing like the plague.

A quiet opening twenty minutes, in which Reading probably edged, in terms of looking the more dangerous, the lack of impetus from the centre of the park, which we were crying out for finally came courtesy of Sissoko who fired a shot into the mid-rift of the ‘keeper. Better.

Bolo Zenden was extremely frustrating in the middle of the park, but in fairness, was one of the few that actually had a go and with his two efforts from outside the box, kept the Reading ‘keeper awake.

As half-time approached, Jermaine Pennant took some initiative finally and made a diagonal run towards the box, slipping in Robbie Fowler. Unfortunately, at the time, that was all I saw, as a stampede of lads made their way out for a bite to eat, succeeding in standing on my in-growing toe-nail (don’t laugh) and making me miss the goal. Having just seen the highlights, I can commend Fowler’s intuition, like the people around me did at the time. Ho hum. Incidentally, worth mentioning Daniel Agger's contribution who, in the build up, laid a beautiful pass into Lee Peltier’s feet.

Two minutes later and Jermaine Pennant again made a darting run across the field. Robbie Fowler took over and laid the ball into Riise. The Norwegian unleashed a stinging shot into the palms of their ‘keeper, Graeme Stack who, after changing his gloves ten minutes earlier, will have hoped to have done better. The rebound fell to the ginger winger who made no mistakes the second time from the edge of the area hitting a low shot into the bottom corner.

I don’t know if I am alone on this, but somebody with Riise’s shooting ability shouldn’t be wasted at full-back and if we can find him in situations where he can use his wonderful left-peg more often, then we should try to.

Half-time, 2-0 Liverpool: a lead we probably didn’t warrant, but the clinical finishing in the few opportunities we did have was great. Also, my tongue-in-cheek prediction of 6-0 to my brother was still very much on.

Pennant went from having a very quiet half to producing crucial service that led to both our goals. Daniel Agger was probably our best performer, despite not being under very much pressure. Gabby Paletta wasn’t in the game much, but looked assured in possession. Lee Peltier looks to have come from the Jamie Carragher school of defending, which is brilliant, and he was brave enough to soldier on after drawing blood from a whack in the face. Warnock had a few shaky moments, which meant Riise had to cover him more often than he’d have liked. Sissoko was his usual self, Zenden was quite frustrating and the front two worked well individually but not together.

Second half came and no changes, perhaps rather surprisingly from Coppell, whose side weren’t creating much. This trend continued in the first twenty minutes of the second half, as Liverpool set up camp in Reading’s half.

Corner after corner was whipped in – and with so many, the inevitable fannying around occurred, as Pennant and Riise both looked to find better angles. Nothing much came of them, until Paletta got away from his marker and headed a wonderfully flighted ball from Pennant into the back of the net on his debut in front of The Kop. A very reassuring performance from Paletta capped off with a deft header. Both he and Agger looked eager to get on the end of set-pieces and their runs caused havoc for Reading’s defence.

Another goal from a corner? My eyes were surely deceiving me. Although it is no surprise that all three we have scored in the past 10 days have been delivered by new boys: Aurelio, Bellamy and Pennant.

All in all, it seemed to be the comfortable display everyone was hoping for. A ‘confidence performance’ that was definitely required and Benitez was happy enough to throw another youngster, Danny Guthrie on in place of Mohamed Sissoko, who had as solid a performance as ever.

I am admittedly not a follower of Liverpool’s second string (is that politically correct?!), so I couldn’t distinguish which was Danny Guthrie and which was James Smith from those warming up. For future reference, Danny Guthrie is the one who looks the spit of Steve Finnan! Perhaps I should have gone to Specsavers, but good God, he even runs like the Irishman.

With 15 minutes remaining Peltier went off. It was a very good performance from the full-back: solid, hard-working and supported Pennant well. On in his place came another Academy-graduate Smith, and whilst appreciating it was young Smith's first game, led to Reading’s left-winger Stephen Hunt suddenly getting into the match. Hunt – who looks like he’s just walked in from the 1970s and will probably pop up in the next series of Life on Mars – was hacked down by Paletta, covering for his full-back. And whilst this is a habit the Argentinean will need to cut out of his game, I must admit I did grin like a Cheshire cat at his no-nonsense approach. The smile was soon wiped off my face though as the resulting free-kick led to a goal from the visitors. Andre Bikey headed in, attacking the ball from behind Riise, who shouldn’t really have been marking the back-post area, surely?

The Reading fans were buoyed by the goal, but the sound of ‘You’re not singing anymore!’ soon rang around Anfield as Fowler and Crouch combined to great effect, something they'd done with greater frequency in the second forty-five. Fowler slipped the ball in between the channel to Crouch, who one-on-one with the ‘keeper, could have knocked the ball back into the feet of Fowler, who had made the run, but instead took it around Graham Stack with ease, and passed the ball into the empty net. Stack had been completely useless throughout if truth be known. 4-1 Liverpool and it looked like game over.

Dirk Kuyt soon came on into the fray and people’s predictions of Fowler or Crouch were shot down, to the sight of number 6 appear on the electronic board. Kuyt ran over to play on the left of midfield in place of the departing Riise, but covered as much ground as anybody else throughout the entire match, in the 10 minutes or so he was on.

Reading, and you have to give them credit, never gave up and a couple of minutes later Shane Long’s shot was deflected up into the air and the Liverpool defence failed to deal with it. Little took over and ran unopposed into dangerous territory before slipping the ball into Lita in the heart of the box who finished smartly. It was 4-2 and the game was becoming reminiscent to the match against Galatasaray – a determined side with great attacking mentality who capitalised on the breaks from sloppy defending from those in Red.

Benitez was once again off his seat, shouting instructions to his players. Zenden, for about the fourth time in the match, tried to play a ball to the right hand side at head height and, again, for the fourth time, Pennant failed to control it. Frustration was evident but, Jermaine, leave the moaning to us fans, please. Some of us have got years of experience, so you’re leaving the mantle in safe hands.

Two attacking sides were now both throwing caution to the wind: Reading were trying to get back into the game and Liverpool attempting to give the scoreline that emphatic feel it had had on two occasions. Without Sissoko, however, we didn’t have the grip on the game we once had and Reading came forward in force once again. Liverpool’s right-hand side was identified as the weak-spot as tired legs prevented Pennant getting back to help the inexperienced Smith. Liverpool failed to fully clear a corner and Glen Little found himself in space. He dinked the ball into the far post and there were blue-and-white shirts queuing up to put it in the back of the net. Shane Long did and suddenly the impossible seemed possible for the Royals. 4-3.

Fortunately for Liverpool, Reading then seemed to run out of ideas, and had Dirk Kuyt’s dipping shot from 20 yards out been a few inches lower and found the net rather than the crossbar, the four minutes of stoppage time could have been spent with fingernails intact. Liverpool's biggest threat seemed to be Pepe Reina, who must have been watching videos of David James' handling of corners during his spell here. He opted to punch the ball on two occasions and both times, Liverpool could have been punished.

The final whistle came as a relief: Liverpool have merely papered over the cracks, but take nothing away from Steve Coppell’s men – who were determined and dogged. The league fixture will certainly be no walkover, but the two respective teams will probably look rather different.

Four goals, successful debuts to stars of the future, particularly Paletta and Peltier at the back and into the next round of the competition.

All in all, a good night, although my poor luck on the Walton Breck Road continued – having laser-guided pigeon excrement splat on me in the past two years not once, not twice, but three times - I stood in a puddle that went up to my shin. Oh how we laughed. Will probably be suffering with trenchfoot by the time Villa turn up.

Man of the Match: Robbie Fowler. Gives Rafa a headache over whether he should play more often. Certainly knows where the goal is. Narrow second is Pennant, who played a part in three of the goals tonight and, particularly in the second half, got down to the by-line and delivered great service into the box.

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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2006, 01:43:28 am »
Quality write-up, mate, thanks very much!  I was listening to it on .tv and I swear, I was getting a haunting feeling of "here we go again..."  Thank God, as Steve Hunter put it, we're through!

I sounded very encouraging for the debut artists, but god, we have got to manufacture some steel in the midfield when Momo isn't there!  The defensive lapses are killing us (well, me for one).

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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2006, 01:48:51 am »
but god, we have got to manufacture some steel in the midfield when Momo isn't there! 

Danny Guthrie got stuck in, to be fair to him and also showed signs of being good in the final third. Latched onto a ball by Pennant and ran towards goal in the build-up to our 4th. Not really a coincidence that when Momo came on against Galatasaray, we suddenly had control of the game again though, and, likewise, tonight when he went off, everything went a bit pear-shaped. Still think Hamann would be a better 4th choice midfielder than Zenden.

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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2006, 01:52:41 am »
Nice write up as usual :thumbup

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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2006, 03:41:19 am »
pennant is rubbish ....waste of money ...only good against the low team...is always lost against the big teams

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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2006, 04:10:18 am »
Peltier sounds very promising :)
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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2006, 06:02:06 am »
Worrying trend in our defensive lapses. We would have been punished by another mid table team!

Good to see 2 of our strikers score

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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2006, 06:10:26 am »
Nice one Brian, nice read up for us slackers that weren't there!

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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2006, 06:13:59 am »
Nice one Brian, nice read up for us slackers that weren't there!
Or those of us who are miles away and couldn't even get it on pay TV. Anyway, thanks for the highlights on Liverpool Videos, Hattori

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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2006, 08:20:26 am »
Nice report.

I thought that the big winners on the night were:

Fowler who, as you say, made a good case for inclusion in league match squads if not quite a starting role yet.  When he scored that first goal with such a sublime striker's finish I think 40,000 people sighed wistfully and wished he was ten years younger and two yards faster.

Pennant he was pretty anonymous for the first 42 minutes, but creating Fowler's goal seemed to give him some much needed confidence.  He was excellent from that point on and would be my MoM.

Guthrie I thought he looked excellent for the 30 minutes that he played.  Determined, hardworking and creative when going forward. Pretty much all you need from a central midfielder at his age.  On the evidence of tonight I'd put him ahead of Zenden in the central mid pecking order.

Which of course brings me to the big loser:

Zenden for a player of his experience and supposed class he gave the ball away far too often. His passing was poor and he was dwelling on the ball too much. While he was partnered in the middle by Momo "the one man midfield" Sissoko then we survived, as soon as Momo departed then Zenden ineffectiveness left us exposed.

Jury's Out:

Reina looked solid initially and I was hoping for another confidence building clean sheet but after Reading scored he contracted the panic of the youngsters playing in front of him and was a rebound waiting to happen for the last ten minutes.

Peltier looked scared shitless to be honest.  He seems to have all the attributes required, he can tackle, he is quick and brave and I'm sure if he is given more opportunities he will grow in confidence and become more expansive.  Tonight, however, he was solid but little more.
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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2006, 08:26:06 am »
Reina's form is worrying me...
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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2006, 09:03:41 am »
Superb write up Garstonite. Didn't see the game so your write up is almost as good as being there.
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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2006, 09:12:52 am »

Fowler who, as you say, made a good case for inclusion in league match squads if not quite a starting role yet.  When he scored that first goal with such a sublime striker's finish I think 40,000 people sighed wistfully and wished he was ten years younger and two yards faster.


I would love to see Robbie and Kuyt playing together up front. They are both very intelligent footballers and could combine beautifully.

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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2006, 09:17:45 am »
I would love to see Robbie and Kuyt playing together up front. They are both very intelligent footballers and could combine beautifully.

True. It was notable that Robbie linked really well with Pennant on several occasions.  Hell, Robbie is clever enough to link well with pretty much whoever you pair him with.

I guess that the problem with a Fowler / Kuyt partnership is a lack of pace. 

The good thing is that Robbie has quite firmly grabbed his chance and Rafa now has four strikers to choose from.  I would hope, with three more home games coming up, that Robbie would get some more opportunities.
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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2006, 09:17:56 am »
Great write up... could only manage to watch Paul Walsh's updates on SSN, but I got a great account there! Cheers
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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2006, 09:26:59 am »
Quality read that mate, Cheers

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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2006, 09:45:10 am »
Great account of the game Garstonite, was a bit worried about leaving out so many 1st teamers but knowing Rafa he would pick a strong enough team. Lots of positives - Fowler showed his class and good to see Pennant get a chance to practice his moves/crosses. Peltier will be apt cover for Finnan by the sound of things.

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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2006, 09:47:10 am »
Nice report.

I thought that the big winners on the night were:

Fowler who, as you say, made a good case for inclusion in league match squads if not quite a starting role yet.  When he scored that first goal with such a sublime striker's finish I think 40,000 people sighed wistfully and wished he was ten years younger and two yards faster.

Pennant he was pretty anonymous for the first 42 minutes, but creating Fowler's goal seemed to give him some much needed confidence.  He was excellent from that point on and would be my MoM.

Guthrie I thought he looked excellent for the 30 minutes that he played.  Determined, hardworking and creative when going forward. Pretty much all you need from a central midfielder at his age.  On the evidence of tonight I'd put him ahead of Zenden in the central mid pecking order.

Great report mate + spot on.

Also completely agree with comments above. Was very impressed with the younger lads, especially Guthrie. Good game in the end, but slightly disappointed that we tarnished an otherwise solid perfermance by a lack of concentration. Really should have been 3-0 / 4-1 at most.

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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2006, 11:11:48 am »
Peltier looked scared shitless to be honest.  He seems to have all the attributes required, he can tackle, he is quick and brave and I'm sure if he is given more opportunities he will grow in confidence and become more expansive.  Tonight, however, he was solid but little more.

Can't agree, sorry. Didn't put a foot wrong. Cleared everything safely and they got no joy from the left until he went off. Not a fantastic game, but that's to be expected by both a debutant and right-back.

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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2006, 11:25:01 am »
Can't agree, sorry. Didn't put a foot wrong. Cleared everything safely and they got no joy from the left until he went off. Not a fantastic game, but that's to be expected by both a debutant and right-back.

Agree totally with that. 

BUT (how did you know there was going to be one of them)

It was like having Carragher back at full-back, he was defensively solid but limited going forward and in linking up team moves. Whenever he received possession he looked, normally backwards, for the simplest option so he could quickly get rid of the ball.  Probably the sort of behaviour you'd expect from a defender on his debut, after all nobody wants to make a cock-up that leads to a goal in their first game, but he will need to contribute a bit more to other areas of play if he wants to become a replacement for Finnan. 

The good thing is that on the occasions when he had no other options, one moment at the Kop end in the 2nd half springs to mind, he showed that he had the pace and strength to beat his man.  Hopefully as he grows in confidence he will start to do this more often.
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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2006, 12:06:44 pm »
Agree totally with that. 

BUT (how did you know there was going to be one of them)

It was like having Carragher back at full-back, he was defensively solid but limited going forward and in linking up team moves. Whenever he received possession he looked, normally backwards, for the simplest option so he could quickly get rid of the ball.  Probably the sort of behaviour you'd expect from a defender on his debut, after all nobody wants to make a cock-up that leads to a goal in their first game, but he will need to contribute a bit more to other areas of play if he wants to become a replacement for Finnan. 

The good thing is that on the occasions when he had no other options, one moment at the Kop end in the 2nd half springs to mind, he showed that he had the pace and strength to beat his man.  Hopefully as he grows in confidence he will start to do this more often.


That's fair, but throughout the first half, Pennant was infield, so he had two barriers to break down, if he wanted to get forward. In the 2nd 45, Pennant stuck to the wing more and Peltier supported him fairly well and on the one occasion you mentioned bundled through De La Cruz and whipped in a great ball across goal. As you say, it'll come with confidence, which he'll get, I am sure.

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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2006, 12:22:09 pm »
That's fair, but throughout the first half, Pennant was infield, so he had two barriers to break down, if he wanted to get forward. In the 2nd 45, Pennant stuck to the wing more and Peltier supported him fairly well and on the one occasion you mentioned bundled through De La Cruz and whipped in a great ball across goal. As you say, it'll come with confidence, which he'll get, I am sure.

And that's fair too.  I just thought he looked a little over-awed when on the ball.  I think it might have helped if there had been a couple more youngsters making their debuts too.  The good thing is that confidence will come.  Whereas a lot of young full-backs flatter a bit with youthful verve but eventually get found out through poor defensive positioning it was good to see that defensively his game was spot on.  As you said, we certainly noticed when he went off near the end.
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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2006, 12:24:12 pm »
I couldnt believe it! The Defence let us down again!   
Pennant had a good game as did Crouchie, but the defence needs their arses kicking.
We could have been about 5-0 up and then a game we should have won easily we ended up nearly throwing away a 3 goal lead!!!
More negatives than positives to come out of that game last night  ::)
A classic for the neutrals though

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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2006, 12:28:55 pm »
I couldnt believe it! The Defence let us down again!  
Pennant had a good game as did Crouchie, but the defence needs their arses kicking.
We could have been about 5-0 up and then a game we should have won easily we ended up nearly throwing away a 3 goal lead!!!
More negatives than positives to come out of that game last night  ::)
A classic for the neutrals though

A makeshift defence that has never played together before and included three debutants helped us get through to the next round. The positives; Fowler, Pennant, Guthrie, Peltier and progression by far outweighed the negatives; Zenden, Reina's late flapping.
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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2006, 01:35:23 pm »
Peltier looked scared shitless to be honest.  He seems to have all the attributes required, he can tackle, he is quick and brave and I'm sure if he is given more opportunities he will grow in confidence and become more expansive.  Tonight, however, he was solid but little more.

sounds like Stevie Gerrard in Vigo
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Peltier's played most of his career in midfield so I think he deserves a bit of leeway when making his debut in a role that is virtually new to him

I was pleased with our choice of youngsters...we picked the oldest ones on our books which is thr right thing to do IMO...the sooner you find out whether they can handle the pressure of first team football, the sooner you can promote them or release them...with the state of reserve football in this country these days (scratching around trying to find someone to play a friendly against and having to go to Scotland to play Rangers ffs) it does nobody any favours holding a lad back till they're 23 or 24

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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2006, 01:57:10 pm »
I couldnt believe it! The Defence let us down again!   


But it was a totally new defence made up of rookies/youngsters, which later in the game, was protected by another rookie in midfield in Guthrie (who's more of a playmaker anyway). So it's not really the defence letting us down, it was a learning process for all concerned.

Agger is great alongside experienced players, but not as the most experienced - at 21 you cannot hold a defence together. Paletta hadn't played a game in English football and only has 30 games in Argentina under his belt. And Kuyt was in midfield when the last two were scored, so it was hardly a team you'd expect to function well. Clearly Rafa felt we could hold on for the last 15 minutes with a three goal lead, and needed to rest key players like Sissoko, but credit to Reading for not giving up.

But we're through, and as Kev says:


A makeshift defence that has never played together before and included three debutants helped us get through to the next round. The positives; Fowler, Pennant, Guthrie, Peltier and progression by far outweighed the negatives; Zenden, Reina's late flapping.

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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #26 on: October 26, 2006, 02:03:07 pm »
Thanks for great report Garstonite.

The Peltier debate's interesting. One thinks back to the great Liverpool debuts of youngsters in recent times. Gerrard's, and Rob Jones of course, whose majestic performance at Old Trafford had us all drooling. In both cases nerves didn't enter into it. They were supremely confident footballers -confident, that is, in their own ability.

Certainly don't intend to write Peltier off! But it's not a great sign that he seemed uncomfortable with the ball. Especially because (as Partridge says) he has spent most of his young career in midfield. 
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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #27 on: October 26, 2006, 02:18:45 pm »
I think most people expected an inexperienced team last night and on a whole they dominated the game especially the start of the second half good confidence boosting goals all round, and then the jitters that seem to be effecting the 1st team to finish as we make 3 sub's and give away 3 goals the pitch helping Reading for the last 2 with slips on a very slippery surface. We made it through and thats a great  result and now Rafa can if he wants give the young players anther run out.
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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #28 on: October 26, 2006, 02:44:55 pm »
Certainly don't intend to write Peltier off! But it's not a great sign that he seemed uncomfortable with the ball. Especially because (as Partridge says) he has spent most of his young career in midfield. 

I don't get to see the Ressies anymore so you'd perhaps get a better answer from someone who does.  However my take wasn't that he was uncomfortable on the ball per se, more that he looked very nervous because of the occasion.

Interesting comparison with Rob Jones' debut.  Obviously RJ had played first team football for Crewe which must have helped with his confidence.  Also, bizarrely, I think that if Peltier had been marking Giggs at Old Trafford then we may have been raving about him now.  As Garstonite said his defensive work was excellent. It's just that at home to Reading there is more onus on the fullbacks to get forward and contribute in an attacking sense and that's where Peltier needs to improve.
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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #29 on: October 26, 2006, 04:01:55 pm »
Great read. Almost makes up for the female commentary on radio 5 extra (sorry but it's wrong!) I saw this asked elsewhere, but didn't see any answers...any idea why Andersen wasn't on the bench? (other than ltd space!)

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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2006, 11:25:04 pm »
Quality write up - the first of these i've read if i was honest....will be back to read about the Villa game. Really enjoyed that...cheers

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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2006, 11:53:30 pm »
I am admittedly not a follower of Liverpool’s second string (is that politically correct?!), so I couldn’t distinguish which was Danny Guthrie and which was James Smith from those warming up. For future reference, Danny Guthrie is the one who looks the spit of Steve Finnan! Perhaps I should have gone to Specsavers, but good God, he even runs like the Irishman.


I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought that last night.

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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2006, 07:17:22 am »
Thoroughly enjoyed the report, especially the match not when here - thanks!   It's great that the youngsters get a run.  Hope it'll continue into the next round.



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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2006, 10:21:34 am »
fowler proves just how good he still is at finding the net with that fine finish.

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Re: Liverpool 4 Reading 3: A Cup Classic
« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2006, 07:14:26 am »
Good write up Garstonite.

I thought one of the most intriguing things about this game were the positions and the areas of the pitch which Pennant took up, which seemed to be far more central than his usual touchline hugging routine. He's not the greatest crosser of the ball so when he's the near the touchline or as a full back in front of him, and has to create space for a cross and put distance into it, either the accuracy or the pace completely goes out it. But his short crossing and short passing isn't bad. So if he does play, why not play to his strengths rather than weaknesses?

I'd genuinely be curious to see whether he can play as a withdrawn striker or as an advanced 'floating' central midfielder, because that's one of the positions which we're lacking in the squad. His assist for Fowler's goal and the move that led to Riise's goal both seemed to come from him playing in a smaller rectangle in Reading's half of the pitch. When he's closer to the players that he's trying to hit with his passes or crosses, it doesn't seem to play so much on any weaknesses he has in crossing over distance at pace and with accuracy. I suppose the question mark - if he were to play in that type of position - would be whether he has the guile to be successful in that type of central role. Alternatively, I just wonder he could re-invent himself in the mould of Ray Houghton because he was never a particularly great crosser of the ball but nonetheless a very effective player.

Interesting what you say about Peltier. I have to admit that I haven't seen a huge amount of him but against Middlesborough reserves, he had an absolutely shocker in terms of defending. You expect youth or reserve defenders to be a bit raw and you can forgive them alot of things but for me, one thing which is an absolute no-no for a full back is when you can't jockey the player that you're marking or keep yourself between the player and the goal. There were at least 4 or 5 occasions in that game where the Middlesborough player had the ball out wide, ran at Peltier (whose starting position was far too far away - which allows the player to get a run on him), then makes the second mistake of standing face on in front of the attacker (rather than standing to one side and looking to push the attacking player in a certain direction), then makes the third mistake of getting in too close, allows the attacker to twist him inside out, then dump him on his backside, which leads to two of the Middlesborough goals. Peltier didn't make any attempt to foul him either which he should have done.

All of that might sound a bit harsh but I played at full back for over 10 years and learning how to play an attacker in a 1-on-1 is something that you learn very very early on. I see kids today, who are 14 or 15 years old who know how to cover a winger, wide mids and any other quick forwards they come up against. One player that he would do well to watch is Ashley Cole because he's got absolutely perfect positioning and technique when defending 1-on-1s. I just hope it was an off day for Peltier rather than a sign of a fundamental weakness to his game.