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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1840 on: March 5, 2012, 11:15:46 pm »
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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1841 on: March 5, 2012, 11:27:33 pm »
Much better to let things run there course and that way every time a defender makes a mistake Kenny doesn't get it in the neck for axing Carra.

He wasn't getting it in the neck when we made the odd mistake whilst he was out though. Where is all this stuff about Carra being groomed coming from? As what exactly? There's no fucking way he gets the managers job without Kenny being the one to pass it on, and there's some sort of boot room established, and Kenny is, vitally, successful. And Carra's sway with the fans, wouldn't touch Kenny, even at his peak, he's well past that, and when fans see him giving up goals at the rate he has done, it'll diminish further.

That said, i think it's much ado about nothing. Even Carra has to see it now. But will leave until the summer to, i guess, semi retire as a player-coach? Which is dangerous, given Carra's tendency for politics, as he'll no doubt have his eye on that job. But then that's a whole other debate no even worth having.
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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1842 on: March 6, 2012, 12:47:07 am »
Do the supporters even care about not playing Carra any longer? A few years ago, most likely, but now? Who would seriously question Kenny over playing a young defender ahead of Carra at this point? One or two maybe, but not many. It's not comparable to Houllier and Fowler, or any of the other examples, in my opinion. Carragher is even further removed from his peak than many of the other players, and unlike Raul or Fowler, hardly anyone would chose his 'side' over Kenny's. I imagine that wasn't the case between Capello, Raul and the Madrid fans, or indeed here at Liverpool with Houllier and Fowler (or Rafa and Carragher).

There might be trouble inside the squad, with Carragher personally, but not ever with the supporters. I really can't see that happening should Coates start more often. We haven't heard a thing since Skrtel and Agger became first choice, have we?

Can see where your coming from, but it worries me deeply when ex-players such as John Aldrige come out saying we will lose nothing with Carragher in the side in Daniel Agger's abscene. These kind of comments are almost a slap in the face to the hard work that's been done this season by Danny.

It's clear as day that certain quarters still think Carra is up to it, clearly blinded by the lad's past achievements.
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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1843 on: March 6, 2012, 12:55:40 am »
I'll be a little bit gutted if Carragher starts on saturday.
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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1844 on: March 6, 2012, 07:43:54 am »
I think Carragher will start until Gerrard and/or Johnson is back. I could see why Jamie was chosen over Coates... our defence was inexperienced. Kelly is still young, and Enrique hasn't been in the best of form, though he did well against Arsenal. It just left Skrtel as the only solid one.
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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1845 on: March 6, 2012, 09:07:14 am »
Can see where your coming from, but it worries me deeply when ex-players such as John Aldrige come out saying we will lose nothing with Carragher in the side in Daniel Agger's abscene. These kind of comments are almost a slap in the face to the hard work that's been done this season by Danny.

It's clear as day that certain quarters still think Carra is up to it, clearly blinded by the lad's past achievements.
Yes, but that's a bit different, isn't it? I mean, I don't agree with Aldridge, but it's possible that is just something he says, because he doesn't want to put pressure on (I assume) a friend who gets back in the team.

Even if he, and others around him, believe in Carra still, I doubt they do it to such an extent that they would turn against Kenny, should Carragher be benched (again). Whatever loyalty anyone feels towards Carragher, I can't imagine it's more than a handful - if even that - who believe in him more than they do Kenny. It's not comparable to Capello (who was disliked by most because of the football his teams played) and Raul (who also wasn't as far removed from his peak as Carra is now).

There's no outside pressure on Kenny to play Carragher. Even if it were, I highly doubt Kenny would care.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1846 on: March 6, 2012, 09:20:36 am »
Been a good read in this thread, certainly makes you think.
I think that idiot Burton at the CC Final definately hit a nerve with Carra, hence his reaction, and the more I watch it the more it becomes very clear he knows he's on his way.
Ive always tried to defend Carragher, in the sense that he's served our club superbly well, and perhaps deserves a bit more respect than he was getting in here, but upon reading this thread there are some compelling arguments being made against him starting as many games if fit.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1847 on: March 6, 2012, 10:25:12 am »
I think Carragher will start until Gerrard and/or Johnson is back. I could see why Jamie was chosen over Coates... our defence was inexperienced. Kelly is still young, and Enrique hasn't been in the best of form, though he did well against Arsenal. It just left Skrtel as the only solid one.

As shown by the Arsenal match, Skrtel is still the only solid one even with Carragher there. I was one of those leaning slightly to offer experience a chance over potential in giving Carragher the opportunity until and unless he stuffs it up, but from the evidence of the match, Coates should now fairly be given the chance to make a bid to remain in that spot until Agger returns.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1848 on: March 6, 2012, 05:01:22 pm »
Out of curiosity why is he being shifted to the left? When carra and skrtel paired in 08 09 it was carra on the left and skrtel on the right, only when carra played with agger did he revert back to the right.

different manager maybe?

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1849 on: March 6, 2012, 05:04:23 pm »
different manager maybe?

I seem to remember Skrtel playing the left centre back role at Zenit or has he always played on the right side of the centre back pairing.
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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1850 on: March 8, 2012, 12:46:06 am »
Does anyone really care that much about Carra though?

Dont get me wrong, there's a lot of respect for the man out there but just about everyone seems to be of the consensus that his best days are long gone. He doesn't hold the same place in people's hearts as say Gerrard.

Dropping him isnt really that political if you ask me. Nobody has been making any noises in the press about his lack of appearances before Agger's injury. Those in the stands weren't whistling every time we conceded a goal and making it know "That wouldnt have happened if Carragher was there".

He's not Totti at Roma, or Raul at Madrid.

People have a general sort of malaise towards Carra I think. Kenny's picking him because he wants him on the field, not because he's afraid to drop him.

Which is much more worrying.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1851 on: March 8, 2012, 10:58:45 am »
But to drop Carra until Johnson and Gerrard are fit would mean looking to Kelly, Skrtel, Coates, Enrique, Spearing and Adam to show qualities that five are either too young or too new to Liverpool to be expected to exhibit. I'm not advancing this argument out of belief in Carra's ageing legs. I can simply see why he was parachuted back in when Agger was injured. The interesting part comes when Johnson and Gerrard are fit enough to start again.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1852 on: March 8, 2012, 11:03:49 am »
But to drop Carra until Johnson and Gerrard are fit would mean looking to Kelly, Skrtel, Coates, Enrique, Spearing and Adam to show qualities that five are either too young or too new to Liverpool to be expected to exhibit. I'm not advancing this argument out of belief in Carra's ageing legs. I can simply see why he was parachuted back in when Agger was injured. The interesting part comes when Johnson and Gerrard are fit enough to start again.

This weekend perhaps.

They're back in training today.

What qualities are these exactly though? The fabled Carra leadership? We seemed to do alright without him and Gerrard when both were injured. Skrtel/Reina/Kuyt are more then capable of filling the void. Spearing too captained Liverpool all the way up to the ressies as I recall.

They'd probably do so without chewing everyones ear off as well.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1853 on: March 8, 2012, 11:04:40 am »
But to drop Carra until Johnson and Gerrard are fit would mean looking to Kelly, Skrtel, Coates, Enrique, Spearing and Adam to show qualities that five are either too young or too new to Liverpool to be expected to exhibit. I'm not advancing this argument out of belief in Carra's ageing legs. I can simply see why he was parachuted back in when Agger was injured. The interesting part comes when Johnson and Gerrard are fit enough to start again.

Maybe mate. Though this is where I think Man Utd have become so much bolder than us. This season they've been willing to pair Smalling and May or Jones in teams that also contain Rafael and Cleverley. Ferdinand meanwhile - far less shopworn than Carragher - has been on the bench.
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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1854 on: March 8, 2012, 11:22:22 am »
But to drop Carra until Johnson and Gerrard are fit would mean looking to Kelly, Skrtel, Coates, Enrique, Spearing and Adam to show qualities that five are either too young or too new to Liverpool to be expected to exhibit.
What qualities would that be? I'd trust all out of Kelly, Enrique and Skrtel to do their job well, just like they have pretty much every time they have played over the last 12 months. Perhaps less so with Spearing and Adam, but I don't get in what way Carra makes them better any longer.

And for what it's worth, Kelly, Carragher, Coates and Enrique played, and kept a clean sheet away to Chelsea. Sure, they had Lucas infront of them for 70 minutes, and Carragher obviously played, but does anyone think the team and Coates in particular gain more from having Carra rather than Skrtel alongside him?

I think we're too scared to play our youngsters, and have been for as long as I can remember. I think it goes too far when we don't even dare to start someone like Coates or Shelvey, players who had over 50 senior games when they arrived (although at a different level), one of whom is a full International for one of the top-5 teams in the world currently (after their World Cup performance, and Copa America win, I think top 5 is about right).

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1855 on: March 8, 2012, 11:43:45 am »
Maybe mate. Though this is where I think Man Utd have become so much bolder than us. This season they've been willing to pair Smalling and May or Jones in teams that also contain Rafael and Cleverley. Ferdinand meanwhile - far less shopworn than Carragher - has been on the bench.

But that's the endless cycle isn't it though? You never win anything with kids. The pressure to do well has become so great that we seek instant fixes instead of the future. If we fail to win it's another season, if Ferguson fails who really gives a shit?

We use Carragher now and the strongest center back, then when we've won things we can phase Carragher out. But now, more than ever do we need experience and later we can afford to give the youngsters time.

That line could've come any time over the past 3 seasons. It's the same as when Lucas started out. When Alonso was injured there was outrage that Lucas might start. Drop Gerrard into midfield next Mascherano, yes Gerrard has been unstoppable up the pitch but we can't afford some skinny Brazilian to come in and play football when we need experience! It's why we had Dirk Kuyt play "in the hole" and didn't even give the likes of Pacheco a place on the bench. Why Kyrgiakos (and I bloody loved him) started ahead of Ayala and Wilson. And then when someone finally makes it, we mount endless amounts of unneccasary pressure and expectations and end up with shipping out promising youngsters like Insua who played 3x as many games as he was ready for.

But I think that right now is the "best" time we have had to do something about it. We have nothing to lose at this point. If we finish 11th in the league, the cash flow drops by something like 9 days of Gerrard's pay so there's no financial motive. We have guaranteed European football. I think we should absolutely use the young players now, and even more so in the absence of Gerrard and Carragher who will both be gone anyway in 2 years time. Because this breeds an attitude that you can only count on the man next to you. It's something nearly everyone who went to La Masia mentions. When they go to some big scary facility and stay there all day and every night. Some cry, some breakdown, others want to leave, some toughen it out. But what comes out of it in the end, is that when shit got tough there was no one else but the person next to you and that's how you got through it.

It's, on a much lesser scale, what happened in the Skrtel-Agger partnership. With no "lynchpin" in Carragher they had no choice but to rely on each other to get through this. And they did, and we haven't looked as impressive in the heart of defense since the Carragher-Hyypia partnership was in it's prime.

We haven't had anyone come through since Gerrard (signed a contract a year later than Owen and Carra). And we aren't willing to tolerate shortcomings. Ferguson might be a bully but he'll back you out on the pitch we haven't been willing to do that bar a few exceptions like Flanagan's and Robinson's starting debuts. It's where they've found success and we failure. He will give you an earful when no one is watching, he will threaten you, abuse you but it's all irrelevant because the moment they step onto the pitch as Man United players they have his undying supporting. That's something their players also do. Ferdinand, Giggs, Neville, Scholes et al have always been the first on the scene when someone makes a mistake. When there's a full stand of people booing them, cheering their own goal or whatever, one of their players is always there with a "Look at me son, you made a mistake it happens, we'll get you through this. Just buckle down, get through this game and we'll take it from there". That's something we don't have, for one reason or another. I hate every single one of those players but they are a bigger role model than our captains. Even EBJT does the same thing. When McEchran made an absolute howler, Terry ran the length of the pitch pulled him aside, had a little word with him and for the rest of the game the lad strolled around like he was bulletproof. Compare that to when we have young players coming through. Carragher has always been there to tell the youngsters exactly what they did wrong, the moment they do so. And he is even willing to compromise our backline to do so. I don't give a flying fuck what he's done in the past and that he has "a right" to do so and others can claim the same after 15 years with the club. There isn't a single player who has beneffited from being humiliated by his captain in front of tens of thousands of people and millions at home. When others applaud a simple 5 yard pass from a debutant, our captains bypass internationals.

And as I said a few days ago. There is something very wrong with how things are.
That's another thing I didn't understand at the time and still puzzles me to this day. 3-0 up against a completely deflated Wolves team, Agger has some minor problems and with 8 minutes to go, 3 goal lead we bring on Carragher, with Coates on the bench. I don't get why we didn't use Coates. Was the perfect to give him the chance to pick up a few minutes and get familiarised with his team mates. It's odd sentimental stuff like that which confuses me. That Wolves team was never going to score one goal, let alone 3 so why not use the youngster instead of just boosting Carragher's appearance count.

I don't know what that is, I don't claim to, nor do I really want to. But it's something. As a club our youth policy has for the last decade or so revolved more about attempting to tap into the fountain of youth, than recycling playing staff and keeping things fresh.
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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1856 on: March 8, 2012, 12:19:25 pm »
Maybe mate. Though this is where I think Man Utd have become so much bolder than us. This season they've been willing to pair Smalling and May or Jones in teams that also contain Rafael and Cleverley. Ferdinand meanwhile - far less shopworn than Carragher - has been on the bench.

I kind of echo Aristotle. Manchester United and their manager can afford to be bold. I haven't watched them that much so I don't know how often Jones or Rafael have had the reassurance of Giggs or Scholes in front of them, which is a luxury we don't have at the moment. Again - I'm not arguing that Carragher is exhibiting any matchless qualities of leadership; what he has, though, is experience. We are finding out that his experience is not - on occasion - compensating for his physical failings. So when Gerrard and Johnson return (probably only be on the bench against Sunderland?), we will see whether Kenny drops Carragher in favour of Coates. My instinct is simply that he hasn't been dropped already because of the lack of experience out there to help Coates bed in.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1857 on: March 8, 2012, 12:58:14 pm »
Heummm...
Just wondering if Coates & Kelly could be pairing at CB.
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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1858 on: March 8, 2012, 02:30:49 pm »
I kind of echo Aristotle. Manchester United and their manager can afford to be bold. I haven't watched them that much so I don't know how often Jones or Rafael have had the reassurance of Giggs or Scholes in front of them, which is a luxury we don't have at the moment. Again - I'm not arguing that Carragher is exhibiting any matchless qualities of leadership; what he has, though, is experience. We are finding out that his experience is not - on occasion - compensating for his physical failings. So when Gerrard and Johnson return (probably only be on the bench against Sunderland?), we will see whether Kenny drops Carragher in favour of Coates. My instinct is simply that he hasn't been dropped already because of the lack of experience out there to help Coates bed in.

What's the point of experience if you can't display the advantages that are supposed to come with it? Experience is no substitute for quality, you need either both, or quality at least.

And fo people who go on about organisation, at what point do we accept that Carra's poor ability is costing us far more goals than his fabled organisation is preventing?

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1859 on: March 8, 2012, 02:34:29 pm »
Where do people base this idea that Kelly will end up at CB for us? Just from the reserves? Has he even played a game for the 1st team at centre half?
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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1860 on: March 8, 2012, 02:53:44 pm »
What's the point of experience if you can't display the advantages that are supposed to come with it? Experience is no substitute for quality, you need either both, or quality at least.

And fo people who go on about organisation, at what point do we accept that Carra's poor ability is costing us far more goals than his fabled organisation is preventing?

I don't disagree with you. I'm only arguing that Kenny is caught between a rock and a hard place. Experience and ageing legs, versus inexperience and promise. & I'm also pointing out that his judgement on this can't be second-guessed until there is more alternative experience available for the back line/ mid-two.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1861 on: March 8, 2012, 02:59:52 pm »
I don't disagree with you. I'm only arguing that Kenny is caught between a rock and a hard place. Experience and ageing legs, versus inexperience and promise. & I'm also pointing out that his judgement on this can't be second-guessed until there is more alternative experience available for the back line/ mid-two.

I don't think that's a hard place to be honest, there's no contest between which of those should be prefereable to have in the team. I can only assume that Kenny genuinely thinks that Carra is a better player than Coates, which is very worrying indeed for either Coates' ability, or Kenny's judgement

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1862 on: March 8, 2012, 09:00:46 pm »
If Carra played the 'political' game against Kenny he would lose. There is no name in the world that carries more respect amongst Liverpool supporters than Kenny's. Kenny knows this.

His team selection, whether you agree with it or not, is based on who he thinks can win the game for him, not on not wanting to piss anybody off.

You mean his stubbornness, because the team selections aren't winning games.

haven't we slipped to 1.82 points per game now? Wow..

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1863 on: March 9, 2012, 12:47:40 am »
Where do people base this idea that Kelly will end up at CB for us? Just from the reserves? Has he even played a game for the 1st team at centre half?

He played 10-15 minutes there on his debut as a sub away to PSV.
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« Reply #1864 on: March 9, 2012, 12:55:22 am »
How far away is Agger?

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1865 on: March 9, 2012, 01:04:36 am »
Where do people base this idea that Kelly will end up at CB for us? Just from the reserves? Has he even played a game for the 1st team at centre half?
He plays CB for the England U21's. Impressively, too.

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« Reply #1866 on: March 9, 2012, 07:13:05 am »
How far away is Agger?

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1867 on: March 9, 2012, 07:28:21 am »
He plays CB for the England U21's. Impressively, too.

Im not sure he plays there every game though.He is moved out right like he has been for Liverpool, in the last few games for England .

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1868 on: March 9, 2012, 11:35:32 am »
I don't disagree with you. I'm only arguing that Kenny is caught between a rock and a hard place. Experience and ageing legs, versus inexperience and promise. & I'm also pointing out that his judgement on this can't be second-guessed until there is more alternative experience available for the back line/ mid-two.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1869 on: March 9, 2012, 01:41:08 pm »
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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1870 on: March 9, 2012, 09:45:08 pm »
Pretty much what a lot have been saying in this thread:


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Jamie Carragher and Kenny Dalglish go back a long way. Back to the days of a lesser-known Mersey derby, Bootle Boys against their Crosby counterparts. Back to a match where the boyhood Evertonian's Bootle side were awarded a contentious late spot-kick against a Crosby team including a young Paul Dalglish. As their respective fathers clashed on the touchline, Philly Carragher, who has a reputation for being vocal, informed the Liverpool manager that he should know about dodgy penalties, given the number awarded at Anfield.

While now, as then, Dalglish is at the helm of Liverpool, much else has changed in the intervening period. It is possibly the last time either the Scot, with his suspicion of outsiders and natural instinct to protect his players, or the Scouser, another fervent believer in 'the Liverpool Way', would admit to disagreeing. In public, Anfield icons form a mutual admiration society.

In private, it may be different. While the 34-year-old is adamant he will not retire, Dalglish seems to be performing a task perhaps only someone with his standing at the club could and phasing Carragher out. It was not a task Roy Hodgson could, or perhaps would, have attempted. Since suffering a calf injury in October, though, stalwart has become substitute. Carragher has only started two league games since then; one with the added protection of being the middle of three centre-backs during the non-aggression pact with Stoke and then in Saturday's defeat to Arsenal.

Harsh as it may seem to deflect credit from the deserving Robin van Persie, Carragher could be faulted for each of the Dutchman's two goals; he was a yard behind the Arsenal captain when Bacary Sagna crossed and appealed in vain for offside before Van Persie's wondrous volleyed winner.

While it can be attributed to ring-rustiness, it illustrated why Dalglish sidelined Carragher in the first instance. Early-season errors led to goals for Bolton and Stoke and, in his absence, his sidekicks, Martin Skrtel and Daniel Agger, formed an impressive alliance. The veteran's recall came courtesy of the Dane' fractured rib, rather than a managerial rethink.

And with Agger absent for a month, the next few weeks have the feeling of a final hurrah as a first choice. Carragher reacted angrily to a television reporter at the Carling Cup final who wondered if it was the start of a farewell; though perhaps neither the time nor the place, it is a legitimate query.

After his excellent displays at last year's Copa America, the Uruguayan Sebastian Coates was not signed to be fourth choice in the long term. Moreover, Carragher has started to have an impact on the side's style of play. In autumn, Liverpool's defensive line was as deep as Chelsea's was high, with the elder statesmen forever backing off. Never genuinely quick - though it is a sign of Carragher's positional skills that only Thierry Henry really exposed it - he is now slow.

Perhaps Steve Clarke, who has drilled many a defence in his time, persuaded Dalglish a new direction was required, but improvement was evident. Liverpool only conceded three goals in the eight league games after Agger and Skrtel were paired. Each is enjoying arguably the finest season of his Anfield career now while Carragher, despite a first trophy in six seasons, is probably in the midst of his most miserable since an injury-hit 2003-04.

Since then, he has been the constant, making a barely credible 326 appearances in Rafa Benitez's reign. Like his contemporary Frank Lampard, he has a marked aversion to missing games even if, unlike the midfielder, he keeps his grievances to himself.

Much as Dalglish tries to handle him sympathetically - granting Carragher cameos with appearances in cup competitions and even a start in midfield against Manchester United - it has been, as he admitted this week, frustrating. Squad rotation suits some veterans, especially at Old Trafford, but rarely central defenders accustomed to being the cornerstone of the side. The workhorse never asked for an easy ride.

Literally and metaphorically, it is a safe assumption no-one has sweated more for the Liverpool cause. His 689 games are exceeded only by Ian Callaghan, whose record of 857 Carragher won't surpass. For one who has recently turned 34, the defender has plenty of miles on the clock.

He is one who seems burned out and is now fading away. While his current contract has another 15 months, it is hard to imagine Carragher becoming Anfield's answer to Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes; he was not blessed with their extraordinary ability, and character accounts for much of his considerable success. While only being second in command for much of his career, he is one of Liverpool's great leaders. If Steven Gerrard represents the heart of the club for the past decade, Carragher has provided the soul. In troubled years, he was a symbol of what Liverpool should stand for. There are times, too, when it seems Dalglish is trying to rewind to his preferred era, the past, but he has moved Liverpool forward at the back. Carragher's future could lie as a club ambassador, but it is looking unlikely it will contain many matches in the middle of the defence.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1871 on: March 10, 2012, 09:51:24 am »
Decent article about Jamie that. Time to move on now.

My favourite Jamie moment...."bigger than Liverpool, who's bigger than Liverpool". Utter defiance which characterised his play at his best.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1872 on: March 10, 2012, 10:10:26 am »


Great post mate. It's hard to disagree with any of it.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1873 on: March 10, 2012, 12:39:07 pm »
Decent article about Jamie that. Time to move on now.

My favourite Jamie moment...."bigger than Liverpool, who's bigger than Liverpool". Utter defiance which characterised his play at his best.

I'd agree, however if Carra puts in another stinker today, we won't be moving anywhere.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1874 on: March 10, 2012, 01:06:59 pm »
I am trying to think of the possible weaknesses this partnership might have but I am not able to come up with anything at all. Zilch...
Are there ANY weaknesses at all?
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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1875 on: March 10, 2012, 01:20:59 pm »
I am trying to think of the possible weaknesses this partnership might have but I am not able to come up with anything at all. Zilch...
Are there ANY weaknesses at all?

Neither of them could organise their way out of a paper bag

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1876 on: March 10, 2012, 01:40:22 pm »
Neither of them could organise their way out of a paper bag

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1877 on: March 10, 2012, 01:53:51 pm »
Where do people base this idea that Kelly will end up at CB for us? Just from the reserves? Has he even played a game for the 1st team at centre half?

This is a good shout that gets routinely ignored.

Has he ever played a single minute for us at center back ?

Kelly obviously has the attributes to play there though and I really hope we see a Kelly-Coates partnership at some stage next year.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1878 on: March 10, 2012, 01:54:54 pm »
Lord Carra , where art thou?

In the team, unfortunately. Shouting is far more important than effectively keeping our goal safe

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1879 on: March 10, 2012, 01:58:44 pm »
In the team, unfortunately.

Perhaps not...