Author Topic: Old photos of and around Liverpool (Read 834382 times)

only6times · « **Reply #800 on:** November 22, 2011, 01:22:04 pm »

Quote from: The Gulleysucker on November 19, 2011, 08:22:09 pm

I think I'm one of the few on here that can legitimately lay claim to having been on the Overhead, although unlike Vic, sadly I have no memory of it as I was just too young.

According to my Mum, my Dad took me on it just before it closed forever in '56.

I don't even think I was one at the time but he thought it might be important some day for me to have known I'd travelled on it.

I do clearly remember a lot more wreckage though after the closure. We used to go to the beach at Waterloo in the summer back in the late 50's and early 60's, seems daft now but it was a big day out for us from West Derby back then.

On a few occasions for some reason we drove back along the dock road into town before heading off back home to L12. I have pretty clear memories of seeing many of the supporting pillars for the OH still being in situ back then, looking like an opened ribcage down the road, though none of the decking was in place by then. I guess it would be around '58 or so. The only reason I remember it so vividly is because as a little child I was fascinated by all aspects of engineering, ships, trains, trams, bridges, cranes, aircraft etc, and I was playing with meccano from almost when I could first talk, and so things like the OH remains were visually rather important to me.

I'm not sure now if they are good memories to have any more, that of the dismantling of so much of what made the Liverpool of my childhood, the OH, the docks, the busy railways everywhere, the hustle and bustle of a city with industries and seemingly with a purpose, so much now gone by the wreckers crane and ball.

I went to a garage in the Dingle last year by the old Mecca at the start of Park road. Had to drive down a ramp and it is the old station for the overhead.

Red Beret · « **Reply #801 on:** November 22, 2011, 03:09:19 pm »

Quote from: only5times on November 22, 2011, 01:22:04 pm

I went to a garage in the Dingle last year by the old Mecca at the start of Park road. Had to drive down a ramp and it is the old station for the overhead.

Yeah it's still there. Plenty of pictures of it kicking about online.

The Gulleysucker · « **Reply #802 on:** November 22, 2011, 04:03:00 pm »

Quote from: only5times on November 22, 2011, 01:22:04 pm

I went to a garage in the Dingle last year by the old Mecca at the start of Park road. Had to drive down a ramp and it is the old station for the overhead.

The Dingle....The only overhead railway in the world that went underground ....here

It's changed a bit since the last time I was there, sometime in the early 60's. My Dad took me to see a RN destroyer and a submarine right about where all those roads are now.

In the meantime, have a look at these, I don't think they've been posted before....

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/i-E_F1MnMS0&hl=en_US&fs=1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/i-E_F1MnMS0&hl=en_US&fs=1</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/zQVQ7ry94lI&hl=en_US&fs=1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/zQVQ7ry94lI&hl=en_US&fs=1</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/Bt9kUOYYI4w&hl=en_US&fs=1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/Bt9kUOYYI4w&hl=en_US&fs=1</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/pHU6B7FG-e8&hl=en_US&fs=1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/pHU6B7FG-e8&hl=en_US&fs=1</a>

Tsar Kastik · « **Reply #803 on:** November 23, 2011, 10:59:14 am »

I wonder if they got the name of the pub from its previous life..

The Gulleysucker · « **Reply #804 on:** November 23, 2011, 11:22:16 am »

Herculaneum then....

From http://www.photobydjnorton.com/LOR.html

and now ....

Big Red Richie · « **Reply #805 on:** November 23, 2011, 11:45:19 am »

Quote from: Tsar Kastik on November 23, 2011, 10:59:14 am

I wonder if they got the name of the pub from its previous life..

Originally built, and traded, as Kirklands bakery. Out front being the bakery shop.

Hence why it was a bar called 'Kirklands' in the 1980s and 90s, and hence why they've now gone with the name 'Fly in the Loaf'

Bakers by appointment to Her majesty the Queen ( Victoria).

Big Red Richie · « **Reply #806 on:** November 23, 2011, 12:05:11 pm »

Hey Gulley, another link on that page takes you to Subterranea Britannica.

http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/sites/l/liverpool_overhead_railway/index3.shtml

Where we have some old, and modern photo's of Dingle station.

Tsar Kastik · « **Reply #807 on:** November 23, 2011, 12:15:48 pm »

then and now, http://www.flickr.com/photos/garstonian/4098302460/

Tsar Kastik · « **Reply #808 on:** November 23, 2011, 12:50:49 pm »

all of these taken from here..http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime/research/mappingmemory/map.html

The Gulleysucker · « **Reply #809 on:** November 23, 2011, 12:57:56 pm »

Quote from: Big Red Richie on November 23, 2011, 11:45:19 am

I'm wondering if that is an example of these guys handywork?

Big Red Richie · « **Reply #810 on:** November 23, 2011, 01:08:25 pm »

Could well be Gulley.

Although the old style mosaic door entrances were very fashionable right through the Victorian era, into the Edwardian era. It's only when you get to about 1900-1920 that they fall out of fashion for the cleaner lines of the art deco period.

There again, there were still some being installed into the mid century. Although less and less.

Big Red Richie · « **Reply #811 on:** November 23, 2011, 02:02:44 pm »

Quote from: Tsar Kastik on November 23, 2011, 12:15:48 pm

then and now, http://www.flickr.com/photos/garstonian/4098302460/

Big Red Richie · « **Reply #812 on:** November 23, 2011, 02:13:21 pm »

Quote from: The Gulleysucker on November 23, 2011, 11:22:16 am

Herculaneum then....

Here's another angle of the same, herculanium bridge.

http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/sites/l/liverpool_overhead_railway/index.shtml

Tsar Kastik · « **Reply #813 on:** November 23, 2011, 07:37:11 pm »

Quote from: Big Red Richie on November 23, 2011, 02:02:44 pm

Richie, the shabby little building on the Eagle's left (Chas. Pink) doesn't look much like a wholesale jeweller's..but it was. It looks way better now, in fact I love it.

Pistolero · « **Reply #814 on:** November 23, 2011, 10:47:26 pm »

Quote from: Big Red Richie on November 23, 2011, 02:13:21 pm

Here's another angle of the same, herculanium bridge.

http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/sites/l/liverpool_overhead_railway/index.shtml

Thats Grafton street at the top...I used to live in the middle house of the row directly behind the tunnel entrance

tunnel was long gone...but the old ramparts are still in place

Pistolero · « **Reply #815 on:** November 23, 2011, 10:50:05 pm »

Quote from: Tsar Kastik on November 23, 2011, 12:50:49 pm

all of these taken from here..http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/maritime/research/mappingmemory/map.html

brilliant site that...just spent an hour so clicking through the vids and pics...fascinating stuff

vicgill · « **Reply #816 on:** November 26, 2011, 09:14:04 am »

Great pics and videos please keep them coming lads, it´s really appreciated

Tsar Kastik · « **Reply #817 on:** December 1, 2011, 09:16:25 pm »

I like this....click to enlarge

conman · « **Reply #818 on:** December 1, 2011, 09:33:16 pm »

Quote from: Red Beret on November 17, 2011, 12:01:04 pm

THAT'S the interior I remember. It was just so damned classy and it was all part of the magic of a trip to New Brighton for an 8 year old. I remember the the little light fixtures fitted to the bulkhead behind the cabs. Really elegant little fluted glass, like snowdrops.

Still have those in Serbia, was on one 2 years ago

Big Red Richie · « **Reply #819 on:** December 1, 2011, 09:43:33 pm »

Tsar. Where's that one from?

Which Peacock is it?

The Gulleysucker · « **Reply #820 on:** December 1, 2011, 10:08:26 pm »

Quote from: Big Red Richie on December 1, 2011, 09:43:33 pm

Tsar. Where's that one from?

Which Peacock is it?

I think it's the Park Road one, long gone. It was about here. Used to be a Woolworths years ago.

Tsar Kastik · « **Reply #821 on:** December 1, 2011, 10:31:13 pm »

Richie, that Gulley fella's right again.

The link BTW; http://streetsofliverpool.co.uk/ which includes an earlier painting of the same place.

Big Red Richie · « **Reply #822 on:** December 1, 2011, 10:41:39 pm »

Cheers.

The Gulleysucker · « **Reply #823 on:** December 1, 2011, 10:43:03 pm »

Some more old pictures on these youtube vids though some of them we've seen before on various sites.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/6O7PTyXwhR4&hl=en_US&fs=1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/6O7PTyXwhR4&hl=en_US&fs=1</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/bGK_pCEEJpA&hl=en_US&fs=1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/bGK_pCEEJpA&hl=en_US&fs=1</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/QbgaSmM7CgY&hl=en_US&fs=1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/QbgaSmM7CgY&hl=en_US&fs=1</a>

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/jiFl3hZMYcw&hl=en_US&fs=1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/jiFl3hZMYcw&hl=en_US&fs=1</a>

Tsar Kastik · « **Reply #824 on:** December 1, 2011, 10:47:27 pm »

Gulley, on that google page you just posted.. if you pan to the left there's Craven's funerals (used to be the High Park pub)..any thoughts on the build date?

Big Red Richie · « **Reply #825 on:** December 1, 2011, 11:00:35 pm »

Quote from: Tsar Kastik on December 1, 2011, 10:47:27 pm

Gulley, on that google page you just posted.. if you pan to the left there's Craven's funerals (used to be the High Park pub)..any thoughts on the build date?

Pre 1900, thats for sure.

From Gore's directory 1900

High Park, Henry Littler, 187 Park road, S

I've not got an earlier one to compare to.

The Gulleysucker · « **Reply #826 on:** December 1, 2011, 11:13:31 pm »

Not too sure why but the rest of that block looks mid to late Victorian to me, I can't imagine it's too much earlier.
But that end property that Craven's are in looks like it replaced one of them which would make it later.
See here... the edge blocks on the walls between the buildings there seem to match up but Craven's is a totally different style.
It seems to be older, that large doorway and those windows, at first glance Georgian or very early Victorian to me (but I'm no expert) but perhaps it's Edwardian but done in some kind of pastiche.
This looks like it might have been another door once.
Honestly don't know.

Tsar Kastik · « **Reply #827 on:** December 1, 2011, 11:14:04 pm »

Cheers Richie.
The reason I'm curious is tied in with your answer. That 187 is the same as it is now, but in earlier times it was shown as 219, with the Peacock Inn at 223 (in today's numbering the Peacock would be c191).
Just that it got me wondering how they dealt with the numbering system when all these buildings started getting put up butted up to each other , rather than spaced out.

Tsar Kastik · « **Reply #828 on:** December 1, 2011, 11:38:03 pm »

Thanks Gulley. Got the build date now thanks to Waybackmachine and Toxteth.net - I'd forgotten about both of them !

The Gulleysucker · « **Reply #829 on:** December 1, 2011, 11:40:24 pm »

Quote from: Tsar Kastik on December 1, 2011, 11:38:03 pm

Thanks Gulley. Got the build date now thanks to Waybackmachine and Toxteth.net - I'd forgotten about both of them !

When was it then and was it built specifically as a pub?

Big Red Richie · « **Reply #830 on:** December 1, 2011, 11:49:43 pm »

A slight update.

Taken from the Freddie O'Connor books - A pub On Every Corner - out of print since the late 1990s.

No mention of the High Park, but has this on the Peacock Inn.

Peacock Inn

Probably the earliest inn of three that were all close to the summit of Park Road. This sketch dates from 1820(*) when it would have been part of a small hamlet in the countryside to the East of the road. Situated a little South of the present High Park PH near High Park Street, High Park was the highest point of Toxteth Park and the Peacock Inn was probably a former lodge of the park, apparently built c1635. The premises were also known as the High Park Coffee House but had been demolished by the 1870's as was the High Park Tavern, situated facing the Peacock between what would become Wellington Road and Greil Street, both cleared to make way for the ever increasing spread of terraced streets. The Brookfield family ran the Peacock from the 1820's to the 1870's.

(*)Small sketch, but I can't be arse scanning it at this time of night.
If you want it tomorrow, let me know.

The Gulleysucker · « **Reply #831 on:** December 2, 2011, 12:17:08 am »

Quote from: Tsar Kastik on December 1, 2011, 11:38:03 pm

Thanks Gulley. Got the build date now thanks to Waybackmachine and Toxteth.net - I'd forgotten about both of them !

Just found this ...

This notice appeared in the Liverpool Mercury January 7th 1867:

"To be Let, in consequence of a death in the family, a first-class Free Wine and Spirit Vaults, with Eleven-barrel length brewery attached. Both vaults and brewery are in full working order. For cards to view and further particulars apply to Mr. James Ellis, High Park Inn, 219, Park Road"

The present building dates from 1902-3 following the widening of this part of Park Road.

from here ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/44435674@N00/3342094213/

So it had a brewery round the back. See the link to the side road named after the first owner, Mr Ellis

While browing for Park Road stuff I came upon this fascinating little bit on urbex ..
http://www.urbexforums.co.uk/showthread.php/9847-High-Park-Street-reservoir-visit-Liverpool-September-2010

Stuff you rarely see....

Tsar Kastik · « **Reply #832 on:** December 2, 2011, 11:57:24 am »

Richie, yes if you would please I'd appreciate it.

Gulley, spot on. http://web.archive.org/web/20071107222338/http://www.toxteth.net/places/liverpool/pubs/high%20park%20inn.htm

Big Red Richie · « **Reply #833 on:** December 3, 2011, 11:27:07 pm »

Quote from: Tsar Kastik on December 2, 2011, 11:57:24 am

Richie, yes if you would please I'd appreciate it.

Gulley, spot on. http://web.archive.org/web/20071107222338/http://www.toxteth.net/places/liverpool/pubs/high%20park%20inn.htm

As requested.

It's taken from the book, A pub on every corner, by Freddy O'Connor - Volume 2 - South Liverpool.

The books themselves come in 4 volumes, and have all been out of print since the late 1990s, but this year I've managed to be patient and pick up all 4 volumes off ebay at quite reasonable prices, from about £8 to £15.

They're a great reference material of the city's pubs over the last century or two.

Peacock Inn

Probably the earliest inn of three that were all close to the summit of Park Road. This sketch dates from 1820(*) when it would have been part of a small hamlet in the countryside to the East of the road. Situated a little South of the present High Park PH near High Park Street, High Park was the highest point of Toxteth Park and the Peacock Inn was probably a former lodge of the park, apparently built c1635. The premises were also known as the High Park Coffee House but had been demolished by the 1870's as was the High Park Tavern, situated facing the Peacock between what would become Wellington Road and Greil Street, both cleared to make way for the ever increasing spread of terraced streets. The Brookfield family ran the Peacock from the 1820's to the 1870's.

owens_2k · « **Reply #834 on:** December 4, 2011, 08:21:51 pm »

Quote from: Big Red Richie on November 21, 2011, 06:38:13 pm

What part of Liverpool is originally from, himself?

I bought - The Lost Tribes Of Everton - for my arl fella, last year, which is a good book.

He's from Speke originally but lived in Toxteth and Aigburth as a child. Just found out that my Grandad was born in the workhouse where Paddy's wig-wam is now. Bad times.

Tsar Kastik · « **Reply #835 on:** December 4, 2011, 08:26:43 pm »

Ta Richie. Seems like it stayed pretty much the same.

Far as I can figure, a Robert Brookfield was the licencee up until he died in 1870.
The same fella was in court in 1864, involving stolen cigars and his brief mentions that the Brookfield's had had the Peacock for 'nigh on 100 years', so quite a way before 1820

Red Beret · « **Reply #836 on:** December 7, 2011, 07:31:15 pm »

Dunno if it's been posted before but was just reading up on the Liverpool Blitz on Wiki and saw this image:

Big Red Richie · « **Reply #837 on:** December 7, 2011, 07:34:38 pm »

Yep. I've always been in awe of that image.

The sheer desolation of the city is in such stark contrast of what we have now.

If you took away the Victoria Monument, no one would ever recognise it as Liverpool.

The Gulleysucker · « **Reply #838 on:** December 7, 2011, 08:01:32 pm »

There's a whole pile of Blitz pictures here ... http://liverpoolremembrance.weebly.com/bombings-1940.html
Drill down to the menus Photographs1,2 and the Blitz photo's 1,2&3
Here's one of Paradise Street, might have been taken the same time as the panorama photo above..

Big Red Richie · « **Reply #839 on:** December 7, 2011, 09:20:58 pm »

Ha Ha Ha Gulley. Ya beat me to it.

I've just spent a good 90 minutes perusing that site, reading about the bombings of various air raid shelters etc. It's well worth spending a bit of time looking around the site, as it gives loads of local history stuff on there.

Anyway. Back to the photo's.

All to be found on these three pages.

http://liverpoolremembrance.weebly.com/blitz-photos-1.html

http://liverpoolremembrance.weebly.com/blitz-photos-2.html

http://liverpoolremembrance.weebly.com/blitz-photos-3.html