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Russia's involvement
« on: February 19, 2017, 02:15:54 am »
in yet another foreign country, even worse, planned to kill the prime minister, in order to overthrow the government and prevent it joining NATO

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/18/russias-deadly-plot-overthrow-montenegros-government-assassinating/

Just reittirating what they are prepared to do and have been doing in the last several years in Europe and around the world. Majorly concerning and alarming. From the war in Ukraine, to their involement in Syria, the election in the US, etc.. there is a long fucking list.



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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2017, 02:19:48 am »
Here's more:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/18/reconstruction-full-incredible-story-behind-russias-deadly-plot/

Insane absolutely insane

Anyone still denying that they had no involvement in the US election needs their head checked

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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2017, 02:22:04 am »

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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2017, 02:33:44 am »
Meanwhile, in the Netherlands...

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/world/europe/russia-ukraine-fake-news-dutch-vote.html

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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2017, 04:06:22 am »
I know I'm a sap and all that but I won't believe shit until I've seen just the slightest bit of evidence.
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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2017, 04:54:31 am »
I know I'm a sap and all that but I won't believe shit until I've seen just the slightest bit of evidence.

Ukraine is an example. What more do you need to see?

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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2017, 11:15:13 am »
I know I'm a sap and all that but I won't believe shit until I've seen just the slightest bit of evidence.

I think that's fair.

One of the better overviews I've seen of the US hacks was in Ars Technica last year. It's worth noting that Republicans and even, on occasions, Trump himself have accepted the view of their intelligence agencies that the hack originated with the Russian state. This is on top of the groups external to the US government which support that view.

https://arstechnica.com/security/2016/12/the-public-evidence-behind-claims-russia-hacked-for-trump/
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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2017, 11:48:03 am »
Vice president of Russia seems to have directly been involved in the Russian doping scandal...  happy days..

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-4238208/Russia-2018-World-Cup-boss-new-doping-scandal.html
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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2017, 12:09:14 pm »
Ukraine is an example. What more do you need to see?

Zeb and Conocinico are both right to demand supporting evidence and each case should be examined on it's own merits. What happened in Ukraine doesn't mean the same thing is happening elsewhere.
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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2017, 12:51:38 pm »
At least FIFA is ok with Russia, so they can't be that bad, right?

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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2017, 01:31:08 pm »
At least FIFA is ok with Russia, so they can't be that bad, right?

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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2017, 01:43:03 pm »
Putin is a psychopath and megalomanic.

In a different era, he would be another Hitler / Stalin.


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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2017, 03:52:28 pm »
Putin is a psychopath and megalomanic.

In a different era, he would be another Hitler / Stalin.

I agree, scary times we live in

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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2017, 04:15:01 pm »
Stalin with a 2nd life is the best description,this guy doesn't give a fuck.

Makes me wish Reagan was around in his pomp.
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« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2017, 04:20:33 pm »
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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2017, 04:36:29 pm »
The Pool says Russia has just decriminalised domestic violence.

https://www.the-pool.com/news-views/latest-news/2017/6/russia-just-decriminalised-domestic-violence
so weak men can beat their wives and kids and pretend to be alpha males, great.
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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2017, 04:39:26 pm »
The Pool says Russia has just decriminalised domestic violence.

https://www.the-pool.com/news-views/latest-news/2017/6/russia-just-decriminalised-domestic-violence
Saw that on the BBC news last week was around a 10 minute report on it with interviews from women nearly killed by their husbands,one was a woman who was left for dead in a forest after her husband and his friend stabbed her repeatedly,she became a tattoo artist and covers up the scars of  battered woman.

Simply shocking how it passed legislation and by a landslide as well.
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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2017, 04:59:39 pm »
Somebody should bring THAT up the next time they get Trump one to one
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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2017, 05:22:20 pm »
It truly is terrible when a global power uses nefarious means to affect elections.
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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2017, 05:41:18 pm »
It truly is terrible when a global power uses nefarious means to affect elections.
Britain did it.

To the US during WWII. 

True story.  We shouldn't forget that..
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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2017, 06:15:01 pm »
It truly is terrible when a global power uses nefarious means to affect elections.

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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2017, 06:18:59 pm »
It truly is terrible when a global power uses nefarious means to affect elections.

Us and the US have done so or more than one occasion.

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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2017, 06:48:16 pm »
Us and the US have done so or more than one occasion.

You're right but that doesn't mean we should ignore the latest trend. Russia are doing what they have done for decades, even centuries.

We are pretty safe but if I was in the Baltic states or the Balkans I'd be looking over my shoulder.

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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2017, 07:03:30 pm »
You're right but that doesn't mean we should ignore the latest trend. Russia are doing what they have done for decades, even centuries.

We are pretty safe but if I was in the Baltic states or the Balkans I'd be looking over my shoulder.

You're reading something more into my post, than what I actually said.

We shouldn't ignore what Russia are up to at all.

I have many friends from the Baltic states, I'm more aware than most about the situation over there.

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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2017, 09:49:42 pm »
You're right but that doesn't mean we should ignore the latest trend. Russia are doing what they have done for decades, even centuries.

We are pretty safe but if I was in the Baltic states or the Balkans I'd be looking over my shoulder.

The Balkans are like a volcano ready to erupt [I'm from there], anything can cause it go tits up again, and Russia could be that.

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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2017, 05:48:06 pm »
The Russian ambassador to the UN Vitaliy Churkin has died suddenly in New York.

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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2017, 08:52:45 pm »
The Russian ambassador to the UN Vitaliy Churkin has died suddenly in New York.
Have Fox got CCTV footage of a Muslim with an umbrella near him?
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« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2017, 03:44:01 pm »
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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2017, 05:08:00 pm »
Now colluding with their fellow fascists from Germany:

The head of the right-wing nationalist Alternative for Germany (AfD), Frauke Petry, has held talks in Moscow with MPs close to President Vladimir Putin and with Russian ultra-nationalists.

She met State Duma (lower house) Speaker Vyacheslav Volodin and his deputy Pyotr Tolstoy.

German officials have warned that Russia could try to influence voting in September's general election.

The AfD campaigns against what it calls the "Islamisation" of Germany.

Firebrand nationalist Vladimir Zhirinovsky - a fierce critic of Nato and Western liberals - was among the MPs who met Ms Petry. His Liberal Democratic Party is politically close to United Russia, the pro-Putin party that dominates Russian politics.

The AfD opposes Chancellor Angela Merkel's liberal immigration policy and her tough stance on Russia, instead calling for a new rapprochement with Moscow.

That echoes the French National Front (FN) position towards Mr Putin. FN leader Marine Le Pen has also forged links with pro-Putin Russian MPs.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39037936

Thankfully, they're languishing below 10% in the polls. Not sure any amount of Russian interference will change that significantly.

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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2017, 06:38:16 pm »
Have their been any credible reports of them dabbling in brexit vote?
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« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2017, 07:12:31 pm »
Have their been any credible reports of them dabbling in brexit vote?

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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2017, 07:18:58 pm »
Are you really that surprised,all great powers doing this kind of shit for centuries and will continue as long as human civilization exists.Big one decide while small fish need to follow their lead.Law of the stronger.In some way i even understand Russians,Nato is basically on their doorstep,how do you think America would react if Russians station their troops in Mexico or Canada.
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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2017, 07:38:21 pm »
Are you really that surprised,all great powers doing this kind of shit for centuries and will continue as long as human civilization exists.Big one decide while small fish need to follow their lead.Law of the stronger.In some way i even understand Russians,Nato is basically on their doorstep,how do you think America would react if Russians station their troops in Mexico or Canada.

Feels like you're forgetting a big moment in 20th Century history there.

I suppose one major difference is that the (democratically elected) leader of Estonia isn't advocating that NATO nukes Russia.
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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2017, 11:43:01 pm »
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Russia builds replica Reichstag so children can recreate 1945 victory

Defence minister says model will allow re-enactment of Red Army’s capture of Berlin in 1945 – a patriotic rallying point for Putin

Shaun Walker Moscow correspondent

The Russian defence ministry is constructing a replica of the Reichstag at a military theme park on the outskirts of Moscow, to allow patriotic Russian children to recreate the storming of the building during the Soviet capture of Berlin in 1945.

Russia’s defence minister, Sergei Shoigu, announced the plan for the replica during a speech to the Duma, Russia’s parliament, on Wednesday.

“We are constructing the Reichstag in Patriot Park,” he said. “Not in full, but still. Now our Youth Army guys can storm not just any old thing but the actual building.”

The Youth Army was created in 2015, to allow children as young as 10 to receive basic military training and “patriotic education”.
President Vladimir Putin’s opening of Patriot Park the same year fits into a pattern of rising Russian nationalism following the 2014 annexation of Crimea.

The park also features copies of Russian military hardware, as well as exhibition space, shops and military-themed video games. In recent years, the Soviet victory in the second world war has become a key part of Putin’s ideology, used as a national rallying point. Victory Day on 9 May has become one of the most celebrated days in the Russian calendar.

The raising of the Soviet flag atop the Reichstag is one of the most iconic Soviet images of the fall of Berlin. On Victory Day 2015, the Kremlin-backed leader of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, had a mock-up of the Reichstag constructed in the centre of Grozny. Soldiers in period Soviet uniforms rushed towards it, shooting costumed Nazis dead as they went. After the building was “seized”, the Soviet soldiers marched Nazi soldiers through the streets and tossed swastika flags and other Nazi banners at Kadyrov’s feet.

Shoigu did not specify when the new Reichstag model would be completed, and whether members of the public would also be able to recreate the storming or only members of the Youth Army.

During his speech to the Duma, Shoigu also mentioned that the Russian army now had a cyber-division whose task was to counter foreign propaganda about Russia. Shoigu said counter-propaganda should be “clever, competent and effective”.

There are increasing fears in Europe about potential Russian meddling in elections, after US intelligence agencies accused hackers working for the Russian government of hacking the Democratic party’s servers in the run-up to last November’s US election, apparently with the aim of helping Donald Trump get elected.
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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2017, 02:12:08 am »
Are you really that surprised,all great powers doing this kind of shit for centuries and will continue as long as human civilization exists.Big one decide while small fish need to follow their lead.Law of the stronger.In some way i even understand Russians,Nato is basically on their doorstep,how do you think America would react if Russians station their troops in Mexico or Canada.

That depends, in your analogy how much of Mexico/canida did the US invade first???

I think the whole idea of a moral equivalence here is mute, look at the twisted nationalistic, religious, intolerant hell hole that Putin has made Russia in to (not that it was much of a push) his acts of aggression are solely based on keeping the flag waving chest thumping Neanderthal "patriots" happy, because between them and the church, both keep him in power.

The west is not perfect and certainly can act purely in terms of its own self interest but, versus Russia there's no contest we have to assert ourselves, Putin can not be allowed to drag that region down unopposed, we can't allow him that inch because the miles that follow could be very bad for us all.

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Re: Russia's involvement
« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2017, 03:50:36 am »
Their ambassadors are dropping like flies
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« Reply #36 on: March 26, 2017, 03:01:46 pm »
The Washington Post has a pair of very interesting articles this weekend about the current situation in Belarus, which is very much impacted by what goes on in Russia.

There is this article by LSE Senior Visiting Fellow Peter Pomerantsev, as well as an additional article about protests during the weekend.

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« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2017, 05:36:06 pm »
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« Reply #38 on: March 26, 2017, 06:14:12 pm »
Very interesting conversation between Sam Harris and Anne Applebaum on the Waking Up podcast.

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« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2017, 01:24:19 am »
Very interesting interview. Her book Iron Curtain: The Crushing of Eastern Europe is great. I believe tend to lean conservative (she says she is centre-right), but as a rational one, who has no time for what she terms as "the conservative media entertainment complex" and the anti-intellectualism of the contemporary GOP.