Author Topic: Entrepreneurs on rawk  (Read 43565 times)

Offline Claire.

  • RAWK Staff.
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 21,891
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #80 on: September 16, 2014, 01:22:21 pm »
Sounds very intriguing!

I'm still cracking on with my learning/planning stage. I've already planned to skip over the design stage, my day job is UI stuff and I'll get trapped pushing pixels when I have bigger fish to fry.

Offline jooneyisdagod

  • Doesn't like having pussy round the house
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 19,743
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #81 on: September 16, 2014, 01:29:29 pm »
Have you considered venturing into the space of digital information products?

No mate. And truth be told, I had to google what you mentioned. I had no clue what digital information products were until five minutes ago !
Quote from: Dion Fanning

The chants for Kenny Dalglish that were heard again on Wednesday do not necessarily mean that the fans see him as the saviour. This is not Newcastle, longing for the return of Kevin Keegan. Simply, Dalglish represents everything Hodgson is not and, in fairness, everything Hodgson could or would not hope to be.

Online Billy The Kid

  • Out of the closet with a whiet shirt on, but would pay a fiver not to be gay...Would prefer to give his manliness to someone rather than receive theirs especially Amir in another life.
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 19,941
  • I'm Your Huckleberry
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #82 on: September 16, 2014, 04:24:20 pm »
No mate. And truth be told, I had to google what you mentioned. I had no clue what digital information products were until five minutes ago !

PM me if you want to know more. I've been doing a lot in that space recently and its going very well
When overtaken by defeat, as you may be many times, remember than mans faith in his own ability is tested many times before he is crowned with final victory. Defeats are nothing more than challenges to keep trying.” – Napoleon Hill.

Offline Raul!

  • No nude LFC topics - Sir Raul la di Dah of Coverpoint - Imminently Female
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 16,037
  • My nipples explode with delight
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #83 on: September 16, 2014, 04:43:26 pm »
Interesting thread, reminiscent of old-time RAWK.

As for moi, studied a fair bit, culminating with a professional degree and joined a large organisation.  Worked like a dog for 6 years and set up our own shop with a few mates/mates of mates. 15 years on, we employ about 150 professionals and a total of about 250 people, got a few different offices and a decent name in the field.  Loved the set up, loved the work and enjoyed (some bits of) management as we became bigger (found ways to avoid the other bits).  Invested in a mate's business a couple of years ago, and advise them on strategy and larger issues and also do a little venture investing in small start-ups, advising the companies off and on. 

I can say that I was very lucky in that I both enjoyed the professional content of what I did, as well as the excitement of taking entrepreneurial risk. Given the recent investing, it would appear that the entrepreneurial bug/gene continues to require nourishment!

Offline AndyInVA

  • Born in Liverpool, grew up in Yorkshire, live in the States
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 7,128
  • Never Forget
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #84 on: September 16, 2014, 05:15:16 pm »
Interesting thread, reminiscent of old-time RAWK.

As for moi, studied a fair bit, culminating with a professional degree and joined a large organisation.  Worked like a dog for 6 years and set up our own shop with a few mates/mates of mates. 15 years on, we employ about 150 professionals and a total of about 250 people, got a few different offices and a decent name in the field.  Loved the set up, loved the work and enjoyed (some bits of) management as we became bigger (found ways to avoid the other bits).  Invested in a mate's business a couple of years ago, and advise them on strategy and larger issues and also do a little venture investing in small start-ups, advising the companies off and on. 

I can say that I was very lucky in that I both enjoyed the professional content of what I did, as well as the excitement of taking entrepreneurial risk. Given the recent investing, it would appear that the entrepreneurial bug/gene continues to require nourishment!

wow. thats quite a success story

i managed to get my firm up to 25 people at the height of the boom but I always knew it was just out of control. its back to just a handful and I have a lot less stress

i think its great that you managed to grow beyond the smaller company into a pretty serious venture. I think that takes quite a skill

Offline BCCC

  • Or B square
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 13,970
  • Blessed are the Cheesemakers
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #85 on: September 20, 2014, 01:43:45 pm »
Sounds very intriguing!

I'm still cracking on with my learning/planning stage. I've already planned to skip over the design stage, my day job is UI stuff and I'll get trapped pushing pixels when I have bigger fish to fry.

As long as you keep things moving at your pace things will happen, then it's just a case of working through the problems without giving up. Focus on the end, create a vivid picture of what good looks like in your mind and better still on paper for reference. Don't be scared to change it as you learn more.

I've got two ideas on the go for two separate businesses that will hopefully join as one in the future or at least one funds the other.
*****LFC Purveyors of fine football tradition since 1892*****

Offline L666KOP

  • Wants everyone to fuck off. Especially you. Yes YOU! Too Tender for Tinder. Would swallow his knob on a genuine fuck up.
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 21,116
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #86 on: September 29, 2014, 06:19:16 pm »
Ran a business for 10 years, had to relinquish it.

Got the time, and a few quid, just not got a business idea.

13mins - Bournemouth have gone home. Utd kicked off anyway. Still 0-0 as Smalling passes it back to De Gea.

Offline Claire.

  • RAWK Staff.
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 21,891
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #87 on: September 29, 2014, 09:33:32 pm »
I've had quite a productive week or so. Really trying hard not to focus on design or UI stuff and get all the functionality together. I'm finding it makes me feel less useless when I can't think how to do X that I can play with the UI until the penny drops ;D

Offline AndyInVA

  • Born in Liverpool, grew up in Yorkshire, live in the States
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 7,128
  • Never Forget
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #88 on: September 30, 2014, 12:03:21 am »
Ran a business for 10 years, had to relinquish it.

Got the time, and a few quid, just not got a business idea.

What kind of business was it

Offline Cesar

  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,342
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #89 on: September 30, 2014, 01:29:24 am »
After years of wanting to do it, I've finally (last weekend) opened my own bar / kitchen and loving it. Good start over the weekend and hope it continues... gotta keep the standards up. Never thought I'd enjoy 14 hour days but when it's your own baby you don't seem to notice it so much :)

Offline L666KOP

  • Wants everyone to fuck off. Especially you. Yes YOU! Too Tender for Tinder. Would swallow his knob on a genuine fuck up.
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 21,116
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #90 on: September 30, 2014, 07:50:33 am »
What kind of business was it

Electrician mate.

Did very well. Unfortunately me having a back made of wet paper put an end to it.  :(

The hours don't bother me, neither does the 'hard' work, albeit it' will have to be hard in areas other than physical from here onwards.

Had 3 sparks working for me at one point and had the contract for all the Trafford centre's 'outsourced' work.

Never quite got to the point where I could come off the tools completely, but neither did I want to.

The running side was done like most, by myself during evenings/weekends. You just get used to it, it's left a gaping void in my life now.

13mins - Bournemouth have gone home. Utd kicked off anyway. Still 0-0 as Smalling passes it back to De Gea.

Online zero zero

  • Karma's a bitch. Innit.
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 15,533
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #91 on: September 30, 2014, 04:48:30 pm »
After years of wanting to do it, I've finally (last weekend) opened my own bar / kitchen and loving it. Good start over the weekend and hope it continues... gotta keep the standards up. Never thought I'd enjoy 14 hour days but when it's your own baby you don't seem to notice it so much :)
Best of luck to you mate. "Having no one else to blame" is, I thought, one of the most liberating concepts about starting our own business.

Offline mkferdy

  • "Zlat's all, folks!" (yes, that's MY joke!)
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,309
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #92 on: September 30, 2014, 04:53:56 pm »
Electrician mate.

Did very well. Unfortunately me having a back made of wet paper put an end to it.  :(

The hours don't bother me, neither does the 'hard' work, albeit it' will have to be hard in areas other than physical from here onwards.

Had 3 sparks working for me at one point and had the contract for all the Trafford centre's 'outsourced' work.

Never quite got to the point where I could come off the tools completely, but neither did I want to.

The running side was done like most, by myself during evenings/weekends. You just get used to it, it's left a gaping void in my life now.

Maybe a business where you can utilise your experience / contacts without being hands on? Recruitment business focusing on supplying electricians something like that.

Offline peelyon

  • strangefruit
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,670
  • YNWA
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #93 on: October 1, 2014, 08:17:32 am »
Really enjoyed reading everyone's stories.  From what I have read elsewhere there seems to be an increase in start ups and people trying to go alone what with the current job market being the way it is.

Personally I would love to have the balls to jump in and start something.  Working hard at my current job doesnt seem to be getting me anywhere (promotion wise) and would prefer for the hard work I put in be to my own benefit not someone else.

Shame I don't have an idea or any funds to get started eh!

Offline Claire.

  • RAWK Staff.
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 21,891
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #94 on: October 1, 2014, 08:29:54 am »
I don't know what you do, peelyon, but unless it's your absolute ideal job there must be something you've always wanted to do. Or something you want to learn to get you that job. You don't need to jump in, just take a step or two.

Offline L666KOP

  • Wants everyone to fuck off. Especially you. Yes YOU! Too Tender for Tinder. Would swallow his knob on a genuine fuck up.
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 21,116
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #95 on: October 1, 2014, 09:07:26 am »
Maybe a business where you can utilise your experience / contacts without being hands on? Recruitment business focusing on supplying electricians something like that.

Not got the IT skills mate, and there's places already out there that specialise in trade recruitment.

Doing my head in now, last thing I want to do is get a regular job, I'm qualified up to my eyes for sparking, solar etc. But if you take my 'electrical' qualifications away, I'm just a 45 yr old with secondary school education.
Prospects are quite bleak.
 :-\
13mins - Bournemouth have gone home. Utd kicked off anyway. Still 0-0 as Smalling passes it back to De Gea.

Offline Swoop

  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,465
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #96 on: October 1, 2014, 09:19:31 am »
Brief history.

Age 16 - 29 - HM Forces Army.   29 - 49 - Various IT roles culminating in Project management for HP for 7 years. HP drove me to a 4 month layoff with stress, not a fun thing to lose ones mind.  So towards the end of that period when my head started coming back to me (thank you Citroplan) I decided enough was enough, I wasn't enjoying the office life so what next? So the old adage, if you enjoy what you do you never work a day in your life hit me. 

I had been doing some dog training on the side so I worked out my minimum requirement to keep afloat and took the plunge. I took my last proper holiday in January - 3 weeks in Australia, came back and took redundancy.

I now work longer hours for far less pay but am very much healthier and happier, I started my own Dog walking/Training/Boarding company and surprisingly after nearly a year haven't had to go borrowing money of the clan as I thought I would.  My approach is different to a lot of walkers as I don't stack them in so to speak and that seems to be a good niche to be in. 

I know in the next year I will have to start thinking of employing someone to work with me and that's a minefield in this game, reputations can be destroyed in an instant, mine is very good.  I love the fact that one or two other walkers have sent clients to me I know they couldn't handle and they are trying to ruin my rep.  All its done is enhance it as I know how to handle everything but wildly out of control dogs and I even have one client that insists on paying me double my rate as I am the only one to be able to walk her huge mutt safely. 

The issue on the horizon is about scale, I talk to others who have grown their business to be taking in £100000 + but I'm not sure I want the headache that comes with that.  I'll go along at this pace for another 6 months see what the demand is and see if I can find a reliable partner/worker to work alongside me.

Hope you all are successful, remember one thing, if you are not enjoying it, don't do it!!  Health over wealth any day of the week.



Its a dogs life for me

Online zero zero

  • Karma's a bitch. Innit.
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 15,533
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #97 on: October 1, 2014, 10:17:16 am »
I think my post might be of more use to a certain type of entrepreneur; the ones who's skills can easily translate into going it alone.

I had the good fortune of working in advertising as an Art Director, basically one half of a duo that comes up with the words and images that make ads. Starting our business was pretty much doing exactly what we did before, only for ourselves instead of for a multinational network. Adverting by it's nature is a competitive business. You compete with your peers. You compete with the person who sits in a rival agency doing your job for your clients competitors. Whether you're good or bad all gets sorted out in the marketplace.

One advantage we had is that you're unlikely to meet a bigger bunch of shameless self-publicists than the advertising industry. We have award shows where as my dada said "So, basically you sit around and hand out awards to each other?". Yes dad. If you're any good it's pretty easy to make a name for yourself.

We decided we needed to start our own agency before prolonged exposure to The Ministry of Truth (Unilever and companies like them) re-educated us by sucking the joy out of what we loved.

Time
When you have your own business you change your perspective. We were able to admit that we loved our jobs (making ads) to the point we would do it free (not something you'd want to admit to an employer). So, we realised we were paid for the one thing the company took from us never to return - our time. The company existed to give the directors the lifestyle they wanted. It was built on our reputations and skills, we took the gamble, so we got the greatest benefit. But that attitude was also for our employees. I have no idea about statutory leave requirement. So long as they hit their deadlines to the appropriate standard people could take as much time off as they needed. They had the freedom to fit the work around their lives and no one ever abused that freedom.

Money
I have two brilliant partners. Wonderful people before you get to the fact they are very very good at their job. But we were always in it for the ads. We were never in it for the money. Money was just a by-product of what we did. We loved what we did. It was clear to see in our ads - it was our competitive advantage over our multinational competitors. That's another great thing about having your own company, if you meet your legal and financial requirements to the State, you're free to run the company any way you want. If you want to give two bonuses a year instead of the usual one, if you want profit-share when no one else does, you can. Why? Because it's no one else's business. Literally.

My wife also worked in the industry (but not with us) so she was totally supportive. When we started I told my partners we had to set out to be the best in the world at what we did. We achieved that by our own criteria.

It was a sad day when through circumstances out of any of our control we realised I'd have to leave the company I co-founded. The analogy I gave my wife:
When a coyote gets it's foot caught in a trap it has two options. It can either just die there (or get shot in the morning) or gnaw off it's own limb to be free. That's exactly how I felt leaving this company.You pour so much of yourself into your own work.[size=78%] [/size]I will never get over it. I will always be a there-legged coyote.

Putting my family before my career and everything I'd worked for is still a no-brainer. Gutted though. We used to just sit around talking crap, loosely around our clients objectives, till the ads came out. It's pretty effortless when you're was surrounded by good people.

Offline redbyrdz

  • No to sub-optimal passing! Not content with one century, this girl does two together. Oh, and FUCK THE TORIES deh-deh-deh-deh!
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 24,263
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #98 on: October 1, 2014, 07:33:58 pm »
Not got the IT skills mate, and there's places already out there that specialise in trade recruitment.

Doing my head in now, last thing I want to do is get a regular job, I'm qualified up to my eyes for sparking, solar etc. But if you take my 'electrical' qualifications away, I'm just a 45 yr old with secondary school education.
Prospects are quite bleak.
 :-\
Not a business obviously, but can't you go into teaching (FE)?

Or maybe as a business idea, offer a supervisory service to DIYers. You help them design their electrics, they do all the hard work and everything they can legally do, you sit around with a cuppa and 'supervise'. Then you do a final check and connect everything up.
(As someone who likes DIY, I'd  find that useful. I'm guessing I'm not the majority though - most people want it done for them. And most tradesmen don't like people who diy because of the mess they make and the business they don't get)



I'd love to be my own boss. Unfortunately, there is very limited demand for self-employed scientists.
"I want to build a team that's invincible, so that they have to send a team from bloody Mars to beat us." - Bill Shankly

Online zero zero

  • Karma's a bitch. Innit.
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 15,533
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #99 on: October 1, 2014, 07:40:40 pm »
I'd love to be my own boss. Unfortunately, there is very limited demand for self-employed scientists.

Offline J_Kopite

  • Is he or isn't she? Cougar toy.
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 9,322
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #100 on: October 2, 2014, 01:00:57 am »
I'd love to be my own boss. Unfortunately, there is very limited demand for self-employed scientists.

« Last Edit: October 2, 2014, 01:02:38 am by J_Kopite »

Offline wordroam

  • Anny Roader
  • ****
  • Posts: 354
  • We all Live in a Red and White Kop
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #101 on: October 3, 2014, 01:30:37 am »
Interesting thread...

Its really tough for other halves without the entrepreneur bug. We're all conditioned for stability of a 9 to 5  - years of school prepping you.

Won a ticket to the GEC in Liverpool back in 2012 - you really got a flavour of the full spectrum of 'entrepreneurs' from 2D characters with all the personality that a sharp suit and set of business cards can give you, to genuinely creative people or those who understand its 'people' who make deals...

Plenty of cash and support out there for people with genuinely good ideas - normally means relinquishing some degree of control though,  those angel investors can be devils !

Offline BCCC

  • Or B square
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 13,970
  • Blessed are the Cheesemakers
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #102 on: October 3, 2014, 09:20:44 am »
Interesting reading above, do you see the entrepreneur as the creator of a new product or service, or the one who spots the potential and gets it to market?
*****LFC Purveyors of fine football tradition since 1892*****

Offline Raul!

  • No nude LFC topics - Sir Raul la di Dah of Coverpoint - Imminently Female
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 16,037
  • My nipples explode with delight
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #103 on: October 3, 2014, 10:23:14 am »
I would say that the former is an innovator and the latter an entrepreneur. Sometimes, both get wrapped up into one.

Online zero zero

  • Karma's a bitch. Innit.
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 15,533
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #104 on: October 3, 2014, 10:32:38 am »
I would say an entrepreneur is a visionary with the business acumen to assemble an effective team. When we started we knew nothing of running a business beyond - have more money coming in than goes out - but that's why you hire financial consultants and accountants.

Offline CraigDS

  • Lite. Smelt it and dealt it. Worrawhopper.
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 61,492
  • YNWA
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #105 on: October 3, 2014, 10:34:21 am »
Interesting reading above, do you see the entrepreneur as the creator of a new product or service, or the one who spots the potential and gets it to market?

Suppose it's more the latter, but you get entrepreneurs who also create the product/service and bring it to market, yet you also get people who are great at the creation but have no idea how to bring it to market.

Offline wordroam

  • Anny Roader
  • ****
  • Posts: 354
  • We all Live in a Red and White Kop
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #106 on: October 3, 2014, 12:36:20 pm »
That's a great point. Reminds me of an essay Andy Baio, one of the guys behind Kickstarter, wrote about Ello, the new ad-free-won't-spy-on-you-social-network and how they took venture capitalism monies and now are basically startup-sellouts. I think he's really into the idea of crowd funding, duh, and misses the mark often, but in some ways he is right. You give up so much control just by accepting them monies.

Read it here if you'd like (yes, how ironic that he posted it on ello...)
https://ello.co/waxpancake/post/oy73kFfDdhOPh8Jv9z9pFA
Yes- I once went to a talk by a new company called Seedr (google checked and pretty sure its them) that laid out this problem. Ruthless question you've got to ask yourself is what are you in it for and what can you realistically get out of it ?

Interesting reading above, do you see the entrepreneur as the creator of a new product or service, or the one who spots the potential and gets it to market?

I think a classic combo is bullshitter + downtrodden genius, so its not an easy answer. If you define it as somebody who spots new business opportunities, gambles and makes money out of them then both in the classic combo have reason to call themselves the 'entrepreneur'.

To follow on from above, the bullshitter is more likely to be formulating the 'exit strategy', the genius more likely to be intent on saving the world, so maybe the bullshitter has greater claim on the name. Its just a name though - I think my horrible labels are more helpful and less pretentious.

Offline kitano

  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 1,465
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #107 on: October 3, 2014, 01:08:06 pm »
Not quite Entrepreneur but started working for myself in sports betting as a 2nd income 1 year ago this month, before that it was just an interest but decided to become more business like and starting to reap rewards.  More risky than most and wouldn't advise to any to get into immediately, but after several years studying/researching and as previous posters have said, investing in myself as a priority, I now work part time at home after my normal job. Aim to have it as a career all being well in the long run, nowhere near that point yet though.
Aim is to work for myself and hope it continues at current rate and can come back and discuss a successful 'business'.
Bill Shankly (to a translator when surrounded by Italian journalists)
"Just tell them I completely disagree with everything they say!"

Offline BCCC

  • Or B square
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 13,970
  • Blessed are the Cheesemakers
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #108 on: October 3, 2014, 01:55:18 pm »
The creator always thinks their idea is a winner and that's why often they lose sight of the business proposition. The entrepreneur spots the business potential and has the nous and drive to get it to market for investment return. Hence why on dragon's den they regularly pop people's dreams like a balloon.
*****LFC Purveyors of fine football tradition since 1892*****

Offline AndyInVA

  • Born in Liverpool, grew up in Yorkshire, live in the States
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 7,128
  • Never Forget
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #109 on: October 3, 2014, 04:11:57 pm »
i just see an entrepreneur as anyone who runs a business

i see a self employed painter and decorator as an entrepreneur. they have the same basic issues as larger firms, eg advertising, securing work, performing work and accounting

it just gets more complicated as you go bigger

Offline fowlermagic

  • Ilittarate
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 13,550
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #110 on: October 3, 2014, 07:29:45 pm »
Some great posts here and will hopefully lead to some inspiration as I think there is no greater moment when you are in control of your own destiny. Of course you can kiss goodbye stress free weekends more often than not as even now I am updating my business website with some tweaks (after 7 on a Friday).

I took a wee break from it all to help out at home with aging parents but once the savings started to dwindle I had to look at getting back on the horse so to speak as it is a bit of a struggle financially. I really don't want stress in my life so initially I looked at doing part time work just to keep the vultures away but it is so hard to work for someone again when you have been your own boss. So keeping that in mind I have stepped back in time and started selling travel online again. Its early days but have totally reworked the website and about to promote the 2015 season to past clients / referrals. I don't think we need a lot in life to keep us happy and I know I don't need a new car or a 5 bedroom house or anything to do with the Jones so hopefully some decent sales over the next 12 months will spruce up the bank account and give myself a zest for some good times again.
« Last Edit: October 3, 2014, 07:33:04 pm by fowlermagic »
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi5-V75v-6I

Offline ♠Dirty Harry♠

  • Michael Pain the tittie-fixated inflatable doll salesman
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 19,031
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #111 on: November 16, 2014, 03:22:03 am »
Long time since I've posted here. I've changed jobs, upped my wage but ultimately I'm not where I want. I also took a mild step in registering myself as a sole trader, in the last 2 years without (doing fuck all, purely set up for tax purposes) chasing work I've made about 5 grand on top of my salary, increasing it 2-fold every year . It's not much but it gives me heart that if I did push for work I could make a living as my own boss, I suppose it depends on your requirements.

Offline Alan_X

  • WUM. 'twatito' - The Cat Herding Firm But Fair Voice Of Reason (Except when he's got a plank up his arse). Gimme some skin, priest! Has a general dislike for Elijah Wood. Clearly cannot fill even a thong! RAWK Resident Muppet. Has a crush o
  • RAWK Staff
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 53,384
  • Come on you fucking red men!!!
  • Super Title: This is super!
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #112 on: November 16, 2014, 08:48:10 am »
Some very odd definitions 'entrepreneur' in here. Being an entrepreneur means starting a business.
« Last Edit: November 16, 2014, 09:11:53 am by Alan_F »
Sid Lowe (@sidlowe)
09/03/2011 08:04
Give a man a mask and he will tell the truth, Give a man a user name and he will act like a total twat.
Its all about winning shiny things.

Offline Alan_X

  • WUM. 'twatito' - The Cat Herding Firm But Fair Voice Of Reason (Except when he's got a plank up his arse). Gimme some skin, priest! Has a general dislike for Elijah Wood. Clearly cannot fill even a thong! RAWK Resident Muppet. Has a crush o
  • RAWK Staff
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 53,384
  • Come on you fucking red men!!!
  • Super Title: This is super!
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #113 on: November 16, 2014, 09:11:33 am »
I think a classic combo is bullshitter + downtrodden genius, so its not an easy answer. If you define it as somebody who spots new business opportunities, gambles and makes money out of them then both in the classic combo have reason to call themselves the 'entrepreneur'.

To follow on from above, the bullshitter is more likely to be formulating the 'exit strategy', the genius more likely to be intent on saving the world, so maybe the bullshitter has greater claim on the name. Its just a name though - I think my horrible labels are more helpful and less pretentious.

I don't understand this at all. There are loads of entrepreneurs who set up businesses for all kinds of reasons and with all kinds of skills. I set up my practice because I wanted autonomy to do my own work and be my own boss. If I'd stayed where I was 11 years ago I could be earning more than I do now but I prefer to be my own boss.

Being a bullshitter is an appalling way to go about doing business. Our work relies on recommendation and repeat work. If we tried to bullshit our way through then we'd run out of work in a few months. And that's true for most people who set up their own business.

And genius? What has that got to do with anything? Being an entrepreneur is not about new products or services. Often an entrepreneur will be doing exactly the same as thousands of others have done before, but they just decide that they want to do it for themselves.

I don't think either of your labels are at all helpful and just deter a lot of honest, hardworking people from getting into business for themselves. Being an entrpreneur isn't difficult. It's largely about setting out a business plan, knowing where your income is going to come form and what your costs are going to be, assessing your risks, managing the financial side of things (margins, cash flow etc) during the initial stages especially, and knowing when to cut your losses and move on if its not working out.
Sid Lowe (@sidlowe)
09/03/2011 08:04
Give a man a mask and he will tell the truth, Give a man a user name and he will act like a total twat.
Its all about winning shiny things.

Offline Alan_X

  • WUM. 'twatito' - The Cat Herding Firm But Fair Voice Of Reason (Except when he's got a plank up his arse). Gimme some skin, priest! Has a general dislike for Elijah Wood. Clearly cannot fill even a thong! RAWK Resident Muppet. Has a crush o
  • RAWK Staff
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 53,384
  • Come on you fucking red men!!!
  • Super Title: This is super!
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #114 on: November 16, 2014, 09:18:40 am »
Steve Jobs didn't create that first mac, he just saw it's potential and found a way to sell that puppy.

I think you mean the first Apple computer that Woz designed.

He created the first Macintosh, but it didn't sell that well and was overpriced for the market he aimed it at. And he got sacked from Apple soon after.

Sid Lowe (@sidlowe)
09/03/2011 08:04
Give a man a mask and he will tell the truth, Give a man a user name and he will act like a total twat.
Its all about winning shiny things.

Offline McrRed

  • Member of International Hill Climbers Group. Only gets happy endings at Christmas.
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 4,159
  • In the town where I was born
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #115 on: November 16, 2014, 09:51:51 am »
I am the opposite of an entrepreneur. I play things far too safe. As said above, people either tend to see risk or opportunity. People like me prefer to work for others who see that opportunity and are willing to profit from it.

Went self-employed for a few years but found that I didn't work as hard for myself as I do for others. Bizarre, really.

Offline Grand Chilli

  • Main Stander
  • ***
  • Posts: 249
  • We all Live in a Red and White Kop
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #116 on: November 16, 2014, 05:05:04 pm »
I write software and websites for a living, and I've been dying for the last 10 years to find something I could actually use to start my own business. Every bloody time I think I've got one though, I find out someone has already done it! (and it's too late for me to do it better)  I guess I've not got the genius inspiration it takes :)

Online Draex

  • Geek God of Typing Letters. Hugo unleashes Jaws? Purveyor of fuel products in Kent.
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 12,944
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #117 on: November 16, 2014, 05:05:37 pm »
The point is that Steve Jobs didn't come up with the concept of a personal computer, or a music listening device. He went into a business doing what others were doing. He just did it better.

Pretty sure he did a few innovations along the way ;) didn't he tell someone the concept for the iPad about 30 years who? Clever man.

Offline CraigDS

  • Lite. Smelt it and dealt it. Worrawhopper.
  • RAWK Supporter
  • Legacy Fan
  • ******
  • Posts: 61,492
  • YNWA
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #118 on: November 16, 2014, 05:14:33 pm »
Pretty sure he did a few innovations along the way ;) didn't he tell someone the concept for the iPad about 30 years who? Clever man.

Yeah in the early 80's he said something about a computer in a book size that could connect to devices all around it via radio waves.

Offline wordroam

  • Anny Roader
  • ****
  • Posts: 354
  • We all Live in a Red and White Kop
Re: Entrepreneurs on rawk
« Reply #119 on: November 16, 2014, 05:38:27 pm »

I don't understand this at all. There are loads of entrepreneurs who set up businesses for all kinds of reasons and with all kinds of skills. I set up my practice because I wanted autonomy to do my own work and be my own boss. If I'd stayed where I was 11 years ago I could be earning more than I do now but I prefer to be my own boss.

Being a bullshitter is an appalling way to go about doing business. Our work relies on recommendation and repeat work. If we tried to bullshit our way through then we'd run out of work in a few months. And that's true for most people who set up their own business.

And genius? What has that got to do with anything? Being an entrepreneur is not about new products or services. Often an entrepreneur will be doing exactly the same as thousands of others have done before, but they just decide that they want to do it for themselves.

I don't think either of your labels are at all helpful and just deter a lot of honest, hardworking people from getting into business for themselves. Being an entrpreneur isn't difficult. It's largely about setting out a business plan, knowing where your income is going to come form and what your costs are going to be, assessing your risks, managing the financial side of things (margins, cash flow etc) during the initial stages especially, and knowing when to cut your losses and move on if its not working out.

Seriously - just chill.

Even in the best businesses there is often healthy tension between, for example, client-facing and coal-face/technical elements. Good on you if you don't have any though.

It seems more pronounced with entrepreneurs and startups alongside the risks rewards and desire for recognition  - and I've spoken to many exasperated members  of both sides of the equation. Hence my caricatures.

Regarding entrepreneurship not being difficult - a bold claim and perhaps an unintentionally funny paragraph !

I'd agree that maybe more people are quite capable of being 'entrepreneurs' than they realise though.