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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #80 on: July 4, 2013, 10:17:19 pm »
I want to be a woman and I want to have babies.
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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #81 on: July 4, 2013, 10:21:41 pm »
I see.

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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #82 on: July 4, 2013, 10:25:32 pm »
I don't have a womb for the foetus to gestate, so its a bit of a non-runner.


Though it still doesn't effect my rights too have a baby.
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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #83 on: July 4, 2013, 10:31:37 pm »
I don't have a womb for the foetus to gestate, so its a bit of a non-runner.


Though it still doesn't effect my rights too have a baby.

It's affect, darling, and don't let that bastard biology get you down. Celebrate your femininity by pretending to be gay, then marrying some gay bloke and adopt. Simple, convenient, effective.

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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #84 on: July 4, 2013, 10:39:38 pm »
It's affect, darling, and don't let that bastard biology get you down. Celebrate your femininity by pretending to be gay, then marrying some gay bloke and adopt. Simple, convenient, effective.
You can adopt a womb! Is this one of these Chinese black market womb rings?

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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #85 on: July 4, 2013, 10:43:20 pm »
You can adopt a womb! Is this one of these Chinese black market womb rings?

The gays do love the Asian babies. Or so I understand from Modern Family.

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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #86 on: July 4, 2013, 11:20:07 pm »
Paul the Octopus that kept picking the winning teams in the World Cup. That was clever.....Not picking the teams of course, but that he had given himself a human name, Paul.
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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #87 on: July 4, 2013, 11:22:41 pm »

You can adopt a womb! Is this one of these Chinese black market womb rings?


We could change the thread title to "how intelligent are other animals compared to Chopper".


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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #88 on: July 4, 2013, 11:26:01 pm »
Without listing all of our instincts; when you have a child you'll find your parental instincts kick in when they let out their distress call.

Now that you're posting on the grown-ups board, it is rather expected you read the posts and the various articles or vids contained therein. Give it a try, you might learn something.

arrogance doesnt make you look smarter though...

your example with a child is actually a selfishness case to our species...i love my child because he's mine,and he's made of something that nature gave me to use, he's my descendant...you are basically saying breathing is animal instinct

but again the difference with humans and animals is that animals cant choose not to have a baby,they just do it instinctively when their time comes...in other hand humans more often are choosing not to have a baby
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Re: Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #89 on: July 4, 2013, 11:43:04 pm »

arrogance doesnt make you look smarter though...

your example with a child is actually a selfishness case to our species...i love my child because he's mine,and he's made of something that nature gave me to use, he's my descendant...you are basically saying breathing is animal instinct

but again the difference with humans and animals is that animals cant choose not to have a baby,they just do it instinctively when their time comes...in other hand humans more often are choosing not to have a baby

Are you on the wind? Of course humans have instincts, just like every other animal on the planet.

Adopting the foetal position at times of trauma or danger is as primal as it gets.

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Re: Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #90 on: July 4, 2013, 11:54:02 pm »
Are you on the wind? Of course humans have instincts, just like every other animal on the planet.

Adopting the foetal position at times of trauma or danger is as primal as it gets.

what instincts? to kill someone who is weak like animals do?

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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #91 on: July 5, 2013, 12:07:06 am »
your example with a child is actually a selfishness case to our species...i love my child because he's mine,and he's made of something that nature gave me to use, he's my descendant...you are basically saying breathing is animal instinct
No you div. I'm saying parental instinct is an instinct that humans share with other animals. Breathing is a reflex. See.

Just read the evidence in the thread. You might learn something. I'm not being arrogant I'm just terse with people who remain willfully ignorant.
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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #92 on: July 5, 2013, 12:11:06 am »
what instincts? to kill someone who is weak like animals do?


Have you read the thread?

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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #93 on: July 5, 2013, 09:14:08 am »



but again the difference with humans and animals is that animals cant choose not to have a baby,they just do it instinctively when their time comes...in other hand humans more often are choosing not to have a baby

So you're going to choose not to get an erection?
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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #95 on: July 8, 2013, 12:50:36 pm »
Pigeons are considered to be one of the most intelligent birds on the planet with pigeons being able to undertake tasks previously thought to be the sole preserve of humans and primates.  The pigeon has also been found to pass the ‘mirror test’ (being able to recognise its reflection in a mirror) and is one of only 6 species, and the only non-mammal, that has this ability.  The pigeon can also recognise all 26 letters of the English language as well as being able to conceptualise. In scientific tests pigeons have been found to be able to differentiate between photographs and even differentiate between two different human beings in a photograph when rewarded with food for doing so.

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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #96 on: July 8, 2013, 01:50:12 pm »
That's conditioning not intelligence.

I could get the same results with Pinky_Bieber given enough time. 

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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #97 on: July 8, 2013, 03:48:02 pm »
Crows are the most intelligent birds, here's an example:

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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #98 on: July 8, 2013, 03:49:17 pm »

Thanks. ;)  I can never seem to embed a video for some reason.
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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #99 on: July 8, 2013, 04:07:35 pm »
Thanks. ;)  I can never seem to embed a video for some reason.

You're doing half of it, with the flash tags. But with a yotutube link you need to delete the following.

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And add another / so it now looks like this.

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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #100 on: July 8, 2013, 05:10:04 pm »
That's conditioning not intelligence.

I could get the same results with Pinky_Bieber given enough time.

It is conditioning, however the level of conditioning which can be achieved is linked with the overall intelligence of the species in question.

Crows are certainly one of the of the most intelligent species of bird, they're fantastic problem solvers which ultimately I guess defines intelligence. However African Grey Parrots deserve a special mention as well because they're ability to learn, and form complex relationships with those closest to them is unbelievable.
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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #101 on: July 8, 2013, 05:27:13 pm »
It is conditioning, however the level of conditioning which can be achieved is linked with the overall intelligence of the species in question.

Not really. The driving force behind all those 'passes' is a food reward. If an animal does something consistently in a laboratory setting to gain food that is purely conditioning. For example, if you put a rat in a maze and put food after the first left turn, then an "intelligent" rat wouldn't go left the second time as it would "know/reason/be able to deduce" that it had already taken all the food on the left. It's "intelligence" would be better shown if it went right. Repetition ≠ intelligence.

Also, we're talking pigeons here, not crows. Neither of which are able to pass the mirror test. The only bird that can do that is the magpie.

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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #102 on: July 8, 2013, 06:03:07 pm »
Also, we're talking pigeons here, not crows. Neither of which are able to pass the mirror test. The only bird that can do that is the magpie.

The pigeon has also been found to pass the ‘mirror test’ (being able to recognise its reflection in a mirror) and is one of only 6 species, and the only non-mammal, that has this ability.

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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #103 on: July 9, 2013, 10:27:00 am »
Not really. The driving force behind all those 'passes' is a food reward. If an animal does something consistently in a laboratory setting to gain food that is purely conditioning. For example, if you put a rat in a maze and put food after the first left turn, then an "intelligent" rat wouldn't go left the second time as it would "know/reason/be able to deduce" that it had already taken all the food on the left. It's "intelligence" would be better shown if it went right. Repetition ≠ intelligence.

Also, we're talking pigeons here, not crows. Neither of which are able to pass the mirror test. The only bird that can do that is the magpie.

This is a form of intelligence. An animals ability to associate, or be able to deduce a particular action (which it normally wouldn't associate with food from an evolutionary standpoint) with a food reward is without doubt a sign of intelligence.

In the late 1940's, a famous biologist called Skinner conducted an experiment with pigeons which highlighted how hungry pigeons could develop a superstitious behaviour if it associated the behaviour in question with a food reward. The superstitious behaviour varied from pigeon to pigeon, and included head tossing and turning in a counter clock-wise manner which resulted in a food reward. Such behaviours require a basic thought process; the reward of food is each time associated with the original behaviour. The fact these superstitious behaviours can develop in pigeons within a laboratory setting highlights how they must possess an above normal level of intelligence (Edit: obviously in relation to similar species with similar brain anatomy). Which species is the most superstitious on the planet...? Coincidence? I think not.
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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #104 on: July 9, 2013, 11:43:12 am »
That's conditioning not intelligence.

I could get the same results with Pinky_Bieber given enough time.

what results?
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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #105 on: July 9, 2013, 11:45:16 am »
what results?

Have you read the thread yet?

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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #106 on: July 9, 2013, 12:40:50 pm »
Have you read the thread yet?

You're asking a bit much there to be honest.
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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #107 on: July 9, 2013, 12:44:48 pm »
You're asking a bit much there to be honest.
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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #108 on: July 9, 2013, 03:00:05 pm »


Only when trained to do so. Which is conditioning. They aren't passing because of an innate 'intelligence'. Any pigeon that isn't trained to do it can't do it.


This is a form of intelligence. An animals ability to associate, or be able to deduce a particular action (which it normally wouldn't associate with food from an evolutionary standpoint) with a food reward is without doubt a sign of intelligence.

In rats. Not pigeons.  :P

In the late 1940's, a famous biologist called Skinner conducted an experiment with pigeons which highlighted how hungry pigeons could develop a superstitious behaviour if it associated the behaviour in question with a food reward. The superstitious behaviour varied from pigeon to pigeon, and included head tossing and turning in a counter clock-wise manner which resulted in a food reward. Such behaviours require a basic thought process; the reward of food is each time associated with the original behaviour. The fact these superstitious behaviours can develop in pigeons within a laboratory setting highlights how they must possess an above normal level of intelligence (Edit: obviously in relation to similar species with similar brain anatomy). Which species is the most superstitious on the planet...? Coincidence? I think not.

Yeah, that's the Skinner Box. It was used to show how animals responded to operant conditioning. It was always rewarded with food. Again, the animal doesn't have to know why it's doing it (intelligence), just that doing it rewards it with food after it's been done a number of times (conditioning).

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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #109 on: July 9, 2013, 03:13:45 pm »
Only when trained to do so. Which is conditioning. They aren't passing because of an innate 'intelligence'. Any pigeon that isn't trained to do it can't do it.

Suppose nobody ever told you as a young child what a mirror was. How long do you think it would have taken you to work it out?

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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #111 on: July 10, 2013, 04:10:46 pm »
Neanderthals shared speech and language with modern humans, study suggests

Perhaps this was not so far off then....

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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #112 on: July 11, 2013, 11:32:38 am »
So you're going to choose not to get an erection?

so you're going to get a hard on when you see some hot chick on the street?

i can control erection, i also can control not to kill someone

prisons are for people with instincts
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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #113 on: July 11, 2013, 11:45:15 am »
there is no such thing like animal intelligence...Animals dont have intelligence, they have instict

the only species without instict on earth are human beings,therefore we have intelligence

we have intelligence because we have choices...we can also ask the question "WHY"

so you're going to get a hard on when you see some hot chick on the street?

i can control erection, i also can control not to kill someone

prisons are for people with instincts

Which one is it?

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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #114 on: July 11, 2013, 12:39:01 pm »
so you're going to get a hard on when you see some hot chick on the street?

i can control erection, i also can control not to kill someone

prisons are for people with instincts

You're a clown.

When mothers have children and feel compelled to breast feed, and nurture their new-born is this not instinct?

Fight or flight is about as instinctive as it gets, pretty sure that still exists in humans, irrespective of intelligence. 

The list is endless.
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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #115 on: July 11, 2013, 12:54:52 pm »
Is Pinky Bieber more intelligent than a crow?

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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #116 on: July 11, 2013, 01:00:01 pm »
Is Pinky Bieber more intelligent than a crow?

That will depend on whether the crow is in prison for being a vegetarian.

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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #117 on: July 11, 2013, 01:02:04 pm »
That will depend on whether the crow is in prison for being a vegetarian.

Also, whether the crow can control his erections.

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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #118 on: July 11, 2013, 01:51:36 pm »
Which one is it?

people with animal instincts aka non-intelligent people
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Re: How Intelligent Are Other Animals?
« Reply #119 on: July 11, 2013, 02:19:01 pm »
people with animal instincts aka non-intelligent people

You really are strange.
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