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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15760 on: March 28, 2018, 08:04:24 pm »
Warner will be back.. not a chance he won’t be.

Smith?

Maybe a bit late?

Smith is 3 years younger than Warner. He's loads more time in hand than Warner.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15761 on: March 28, 2018, 09:09:18 pm »
Going to be very hard for either of them to be honest. They miss a whole Australian summer both domestically and internationally and they're not even going to be playing IPL. The selectors then have to factor in whether either of them can be picked after missing roughly 10% of their career. So the 1-year ban is probably going to be at least 18-months of international cricket.

If other batsmen make their cases and average - let's say 40+ in the spots that Smith and Warner have left - then it will be very difficult for them to get back in. It's be very easy for CA not to pick them - let's put it that way.

They are free to play in other competitions around the world and club cricket in Australia. I suspect they'll get jobs in the Caribbean Premier League for example if they put themselves forward.

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15762 on: March 28, 2018, 09:10:00 pm »
smith will be back.

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15763 on: March 28, 2018, 09:24:03 pm »
I like the way Australia have dealt with this. Not just the ACB, or whatever it's called now, but the nation as a whole. Over the last few years or so we've had to put up world leaders like Putin and Trump talking 'fake news' calling 'black white'. It's been refreshing to see a bit of decency at work. Aussies seem genuinely disgusted at the cheats.

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15764 on: March 28, 2018, 09:27:55 pm »
Smith is 3 years younger than Warner. He's loads more time in hand than Warner.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15765 on: March 28, 2018, 10:55:29 pm »
Can't say I feel sorry for them, especially Warner , a long series of questionable behaviour.
At least it stops SSN talking constantly about this weekend's fight, jeez they ain't half milking that.

It's Mitchell Starc I feel sorry for, all this time he's been thinking he's the next coming of Wasim Akram yet it was those batsman making the balls move through the air!

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15767 on: March 28, 2018, 11:08:31 pm »
If other batsmen make their cases and average - let's say 40+ in the spots that Smith and Warner have left - then it will be very difficult for them to get back in. It's be very easy for CA not to pick them - let's put it that way.

Maybe for Warner - but I think everyone would look at Smith and think that a) the punishment very much covers the crime, so in a year if he wants to come back I think he'll be welcomed and b) remember he is (aside from maybe Kohli) the best test batsman in the world - no way someone displaces him from the team.

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15768 on: March 28, 2018, 11:15:58 pm »
I actually feel quite sad about the whole thing.

I'm as English / anti Aussie as the next man but none of this gives me any pleasure and I feel for the genuine Aussie fan.

To have your best player and captain make himself look a complete idiot in front of the world must be absolutely horrific. Whatever he achieves in his life after this he will be remembered as the 'cheat captain of Australia'. Sad (on so many levels) 

The sport is the loser, and will be for some time to come.

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15769 on: March 28, 2018, 11:30:33 pm »
It's an oversimplification in a way. They can't play Shield cricket, internationals and they won't be playing in the IPL. They are free to play county cricket but no one is going to touch them with a barge pole. They can play a bit of shitty b-grade T20 in mad parts of the world yes, but that's not keeping them anywhere near to good nick imo.

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15770 on: March 28, 2018, 11:37:55 pm »
Yeah - you'd imagine that's it for Warner in terms of Test cricket. Smith on the other hand has time and I wouldn't be surprised of he played again. Perhaps not as captain though...
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15771 on: March 29, 2018, 12:14:31 am »
Warner will be back.. not a chance he won’t be.

Smith?

Maybe a bit late?

Warner won't be back, almost guaranteed he won't get another contract. He is not liked at all by the public, and hated in Australian cricket circles. He's also been given numerous chances and i think CA will say the 5-8 run avg advantage he has over his replacement isn't worth the drama.

Smith though, Smith's talent will see him return, same as it did for Warne.

The whole thing reminds me of the dumb kid with a good heart getting caught smoking with the bad egg behind the shelter sheds.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15772 on: March 29, 2018, 12:29:07 am »
I actually feel quite sad about the whole thing.

I'm as English / anti Aussie as the next man but none of this gives me any pleasure and I feel for the genuine Aussie fan.

To have your best player and captain make himself look a complete idiot in front of the world must be absolutely horrific. Whatever he achieves in his life after this he will be remembered as the 'cheat captain of Australia'. Sad (on so many levels) 

The sport is the loser, and will be for some time to come.

The big question is now who captains?

You've got Tim Paine, who 8 months ago was in the wilderness and was struggling to get a game for Tasmania.

You've got Khawaja who is hanging onto his place by fingernails already

You've got the Marsh brothers who have been in and out of the team for a decade.

and the last time Australia had a bowling captain was the 60's.

There is no good choices there, none of them strike me as a saviour, or even someone to steady the ship and bring new players through
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15773 on: March 29, 2018, 12:57:21 am »
Yeah - you'd imagine that's it for Warner in terms of Test cricket. Smith on the other hand has time and I wouldn't be surprised of he played again. Perhaps not as captain though...

I'm amazed they have left the door open for him to potentially return as Captain.

Boofhead seems to have got off scott free as well. Doesn't add up for me.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15774 on: March 29, 2018, 04:05:02 am »
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15775 on: March 29, 2018, 05:03:01 am »
The big question is now who captains?

You've got Tim Paine, who 8 months ago was in the wilderness and was struggling to get a game for Tasmania.

You've got Khawaja who is hanging onto his place by fingernails already

You've got the Marsh brothers who have been in and out of the team for a decade.

and the last time Australia had a bowling captain was the 60's.

There is no good choices there, none of them strike me as a saviour, or even someone to steady the ship and bring new players through

The only player more-or-less guaranteed to play every game, taking into account form and injury, is Nathan Lyon.

Can almost see Australia bringing in a "specialist captain" for the next year, like... (insert name here)

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15776 on: March 29, 2018, 05:13:44 am »
Shameful, the whole episode.

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15777 on: March 29, 2018, 05:31:35 am »
The only player more-or-less guaranteed to play every game, taking into account form and injury, is Nathan Lyon.

Can almost see Australia bringing in a "specialist captain" for the next year, like... (insert name here)

Michael Clarke?

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« Reply #15778 on: March 29, 2018, 06:09:38 am »
Can almost see Australia bringing in a "specialist captain" for the next year, like... (insert name here)
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15779 on: March 29, 2018, 06:10:19 am »
The only player more-or-less guaranteed to play every game, taking into account form and injury, is Nathan Lyon.

Can almost see Australia bringing in a "specialist captain" for the next year, like... (insert name here)

Nicanth has mentioned Cameron White a couple of times on here. Gerard Whateley also brought his name up during the week...
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15780 on: March 29, 2018, 07:27:49 am »
Nicanth has mentioned Cameron White a couple of times on here. Gerard Whateley also brought his name up during the week...
He's a great captain, and is still making runs, 575 @52.18 in 7 matches. It's unfortunate that its not a few years ago, Maxy Klinger would have filled both an opener and captain spot. Maybe Travis Head in as a young captain, been captaining SA for a couple of years.

I think its clear though, got to get these New South Welshmen away from the leadership positions.

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« Reply #15781 on: March 29, 2018, 10:27:24 am »
Steve Smith has gone the full Kim Hughes in his press conference.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15782 on: March 29, 2018, 10:31:39 am »
Haha. What was said?



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Steve Smith speaking to the media in Sydney: "To all my team-mates, to fans of cricket all over the world, to all Australians who are disappointed and angry, I am sorry. I want to make clear that as captain of the Australian cricket team I take full responsibility.

"I made a serious error of judgement and I now understand the consequences. It was a failure of my leadership. I will do everything I can to make up for my mistake and the damage it has caused.

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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15783 on: March 29, 2018, 10:35:23 am »
Between contracts (IPL/CA) and personal/national team sponsorship they've lost near $30m AUD.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15784 on: March 29, 2018, 10:43:43 am »
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15785 on: March 29, 2018, 10:55:19 am »
I find all this hilarious etc.

But I can't help but feel like it's going way over the top now.

I mean look if it was football Dele Alli and Harry Kane should be made to apologise for diving week in week out.
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« Reply #15786 on: March 29, 2018, 10:55:43 am »
The way he giggled with Bancroft at the 'Bairstow' presser makes me feel really unimpressed by his tears now.

Still think it is a whitewash/damage limitation exercise as there is no reference to the 12th man and who sent him out, or to the membership makeup of the 'leadership' group

I still can't believe that test level bowlers of the experience that they have were blissfully unaware of the ball being sandpapered.

Also what about the footage of Bancroft putting sugar in his pocket at the tea interval during the ashes, as seen on BBC, or is this just some bizarre "outback' thing that all Aussie cricketers do in case there is sugar rationing along the way?
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15787 on: March 29, 2018, 10:57:55 am »
I find all this hilarious etc.

But I can't help but feel like it's going way over the top now.

I mean look if it was football Dele Alli and Harry Kane should be made to apologise for diving week in week out.

Feel the same as well, seems like a hysterical over-reaction over something the rules didn't treat that seriously anyway. I thought the original ICC punishment was about right.

Don't have much sympathy for Warner though, he's an idiot
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« Reply #15788 on: March 29, 2018, 10:59:46 am »
I find all this hilarious etc.

But I can't help but feel like it's going way over the top now.

I mean look if it was football Dele Alli and Harry Kane should be made to apologise for diving week in week out.

Yep. They deserve the year ban but they shouldn't be hounded or hung out to dry any longer. I actually hope all the help they might need is available because all this media scrutiny and lambasting could take a toll on their health, physical and mental.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15789 on: March 29, 2018, 11:00:29 am »
Feel the same as well, seems like a hysterical over-reaction over something the rules didn't treat that seriously anyway. I thought the original ICC punishment was about right.

Don't have much sympathy for Warner though, he's an idiot

Yeah I really dislike Warner.

But the fact remains whats the difference between this and constant diving we see under Poch week in week out.

He even admits to training his teams to cheat. Different sports but surely the principle should be the same.
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15790 on: March 29, 2018, 11:00:30 am »
The way he giggled with Bancroft at the 'Bairstow' presser makes me feel really unimpressed by his tears now.

Still think it is a whitewash/damage limitation exercise as there is no reference to the 12th man and who sent him out, or to the membership makeup of the 'leadership' group

I still can't believe that test level bowlers of the experience that they have were blissfully unaware of the ball being sandpapered.

Also what about the footage of Bancroft putting sugar in his pocket at the tea interval during the ashes, as seen on BBC, or is this just some bizarre "outback' thing that all Aussie cricketers do in case there is sugar rationing along the way?

What exactly is the issue with him giggling that day?

Being a bit precious. It was all a bit of a laugh wasn't it?

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« Reply #15791 on: March 29, 2018, 11:04:37 am »
Yeah I really dislike Warner.

But the fact remains whats the difference between this and constant diving we see under Poch week in week out.

He even admits to training his teams to cheat. Different sports but surely the principle should be the same.


It isn't different, cricket just likes to think it is. You don't see this kind of carry on when players appeal for catches that aren't or don't walk when they know they've hit it.

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« Reply #15792 on: March 29, 2018, 11:04:37 am »
Yep. They deserve the year ban but they shouldn't be hounded or hung out to dry any longer. I actually hope all the help they might need is available because all this media scrutiny and lambasting could take a toll on their health, physical and mental.

I'm not even sure that the year ban isn't a bit OTT. I thought that the fine, missing the next match and maybe being dropped as captain was enough. Taking his livelihood away from him for a year is way too much.

Warner deserves everything he gets though  ;D
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« Reply #15793 on: March 29, 2018, 11:10:09 am »
Crocodile tears. The way he was able to quickly compose himself halfway through and the sympathy inducing questions were a joke

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« Reply #15794 on: March 29, 2018, 11:15:55 am »
I think the problem with the ban is it's been given out by CA and not the ICC. Meaning there will be little consistency if a player from another nation is caught ball tampering.

In terms of the length of the ban it does seem on the high side. But they chose to cheat and I think it's highly unlikely this is the first time they have so must accept any punishment dished up. Fair play to CA for coming down hard on them in the hope it'll discourage other Australians from cheating and clearly states their stance on cheating.
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« Reply #15795 on: March 29, 2018, 11:19:09 am »
I was listening to a podcast this week... and they asked the question, why do Cricket pants even have pockets? Between Atherton putting dirt in there and Bancroft putting sandpaper and sugar in there... get rid of them!
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Re: International Cricket 2017 - 2018 - General Thread
« Reply #15796 on: March 29, 2018, 11:25:39 am »
I was listening to a podcast this week... and they asked the question, why do Cricket pants even have pockets? Between Atherton putting dirt in there and Bancroft putting sandpaper and sugar in there... get rid of them!

And why do some of them have zipped pockets?
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« Reply #15798 on: March 29, 2018, 11:44:24 am »
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« Reply #15799 on: March 29, 2018, 12:15:59 pm »
Fanie de Villiers, the man who tipped off TV crew about ball tampering

On Monday, during a radio interview, de Villiers revealed how he instructed TV camera operators to keep their lenses trained on the Australians for ball tampering on Saturday, having suspected that they were upto something suspicious.

"I said earlier on, that if they could get reverse swing in the 26th, 27th, 28th over then they are doing something different from what everyone else does," the 53-year-old told RSN Radio. "We actually said to our cameramen, 'go out [and] have a look, boys. They're using something.' They searched for an hour and a half until they saw something and then they started following Bancroft and they actually caught him out at the end.

"It's impossible for the ball to get altered like that on cricket wickets where we knew there was grass on, not a Pakistani wicket where there's cracks every centimetre," added de Villiers, who played 83 ODIs and 18 Test matches. "We're talking about a grass-covered wicket where you have to do something else to alter the shape, to alter the roughness of the ball on the one side. You have to get the one side wetter, heavier than the other side."

According to de Villiers, the Australian cricket team could not have achieved reverse swing so early in the third Test without altering the shape of the ball. "Australian teams getting reverse swing before the 30th over, they had to do something. If you use a cricket ball and scratch it against a normal iron or steel gate or anything, anything steel on it, it reverse swings immediately. That's the kind of extra alteration you need to do," said the man who famously bowled South Africa to victory at the SCG in 1993-94.