Author Topic: Bob Dylan (Read 63190 times)

zimmie'5555 · « **Reply #80 on:** October 6, 2007, 02:41:28 pm »

Quote from: Phil M on October 5, 2007, 11:56:07 pm

'Lay lady lay' is a song I can listen to again and again, the album version is just awesome.

I also think it's one of his best moments as a vocalist.
Saying that, he sounds so much deeper and even different on that song than others,
does anyone else think he sounds almost like a different person on that track?

That's when he gave up the bifters a short while

Rhaegar21 · « **Reply #81 on:** October 6, 2007, 05:55:02 pm »

Quote from: Phil M on October 5, 2007, 11:56:07 pm

'Lay lady lay' is a song I can listen to again and again, the album version is just awesome.

I also think it's one of his best moments as a vocalist.
Saying that, he sounds so much deeper and even different on that song than others,
does anyone else think he sounds almost like a different person on that track?

Agree. Hardly sounds like him at all.

Bootle · « **Reply #82 on:** October 10, 2007, 02:03:27 am »

Just watching "getting to dylan" on google vid. Its an old omnibus episode centering on his appearence in a film in the mid-80s. If you're a Bob fan its worth watching, the second half especially.

mikeb58 · « **Reply #83 on:** October 10, 2007, 08:49:10 am »

Ah....Marc Bolans idol, that's were Bolan got his name from Bo ( from Bo b ) and lan ( from Dy lan )

Bet ya didn't know that !!

As for Dylan I'm typical of a lot of people in the sense I seem to like the well known stuff. I've not found found myself interested enough to check out his career throughly though.

Predictably my fave Dylan tracks are along the lines of Like A Rolling Stone, Mr Tambourine Man and the song I first learnt to play on the guitar Blowin In The Wind.

nige · « **Reply #84 on:** October 10, 2007, 12:46:00 pm »

Quote from: Alloy on October 10, 2007, 08:49:10 am

As for Dylan I'm typical of a lot of people in the sense I seem to like the well known stuff. I've not found found myself interested enough to check out his career throughly though.

Reminds me to finally write the reply I was always meaning to write to the favourite Dylan Song thread on here (about 8 months ago I'd guess ?) , but never did. Cos it was gonna be like a kind of thesis. But here it is in a few sentences

I didn't know what my favourite was, so went through EVERY song mentioned in that thread, put them all radomly on 2 CDs (I'd wanted to do that anyway), listened to them all about 4 or 5 times, not always in the same order, and gave them all points out of 10 in various categories, including musical originality, rock 'n' roll excitement, lyrical quality, personal poignancy, and humour (a couple of categories, like humour, were only out of 5 as they weren't as important as others I thought).

This is clearly not objective, nothing in questions of taste or in 'the arts' is, but this kind of technique can help you to try to be a bit more objective about your own subjectivity, and to understand the reasons why something is your 'favourite'.

Anyway, I was surprised that my winner was, yes, LIKE A ROLLING STONE. That's prolly why I never posted - I wanted it to be something less obvious. I'll see if I can find my full 'results' but I might have chucked the paper away. Cos it was a daft, obsessive, typically me sort of thing to do.

kesey · « **Reply #85 on:** October 10, 2007, 01:52:59 pm »

Quote from: Phil M on October 5, 2007, 11:56:07 pm

'Lay lady lay' is a song I can listen to again and again, the album version is just awesome.

Except when your heart is broken eh. By the way how come you have our kids flag as your avatar?

Dread Breath · « **Reply #86 on:** October 10, 2007, 02:15:30 pm »

Havta remention Bob's Radio Show on here: Theme Time. Do a google and you'll find a site you can d/l the hour-long programs for free.

They are well worth a listen for any music fan.

Yorkykopite · « **Reply #87 on:** October 10, 2007, 03:04:01 pm »

Quote from: nige on October 10, 2007, 12:46:00 pm

I'll see if I can find my full 'results' but I might have chucked the paper away. Cos it was a daft, obsessive, typically me sort of thing to do.

Would love to see that nige.

Dylan's a man I can't shake off. There are periods when I hardly play him at all, but once I do it becomes almost impossible to play anyone else for months on end. Everything else sounds like garbage frankly. And garbage that I love too.

Is he poet? Nah, don't think so. Isolate the words, as great as they are, and the power of the Dylan experience is diminished. Having said that, there are a couple of songs which can stand alone with the very best poems of the last 100 years. I like Larkin. But I'd happily put this little beauty alongside the misanthrope from Hull in any 20th century poetry anthology.

It's '4th Time Around' from Blonde on Blonde. And it's genius:

When she said,
"Don't waste your words, they're just lies,"
I cried she was deaf.
And she worked on my face until breaking my eyes,
Then said, "What else you got left?"
It was then that I got up to leave
But she said, "Don't forget,
Everybody must give something back
For something they get."

I stood there and hummed,
I tapped on her drum and asked her "how come?".
And she buttoned her boot,
And straightened her suit,
Then she said, "Don't get cute."
So I forced my hands in my pockets
And felt with my thumbs,
And gallantly handed her
My very last piece of gum.

She threw me outside,
I stood in the dirt where ev'ryone walked.
And after finding I'd
Forgotten my shirt,
I went back and knocked.
I waited in the hallway, she went to get it,
And I tried to make sense
Out of that picture of you in your wheelchair
That leaned up against . . .

Her Jamaican rum
And when she did come, I asked her for some.
She said, "No, dear."
I said, "Your words are not clear,
You'd better spit out your gum."
She screamed till her face got so red
Then she fell on the floor,
And I covered her up and then
Thought I'd go look through her drawer.

And, when I was through
I filled up my shoe
And brought it to you.
And you, you took me in,
You loved me then
You didn't waste time.
And I, I never took much,
I never asked for your crutch.
Now don't ask for mine

IloveGuinness17 · « **Reply #88 on:** October 10, 2007, 04:36:55 pm »

Quote from: Rhaegar21 on October 5, 2007, 04:52:31 pm

Just ordered Bringng it all, Highway 61, and Blonde on Blonde for a steal here in S Africa.

good choices. In my opinion 3 of the best rock n roll albums ever

Bootle · « **Reply #89 on:** October 12, 2007, 12:41:48 am »

Hey Bobcats!

Just a quick heads-up, theres a "Dylan at Newport" night next Sunday on BBC4. Featuring:

Arena: Dylan's Folk - the Pure, the Bad and the Holy
9:00pm - 9:40pm
Documentary about the American folk revival, the milieu from which the nascent Bob Dylan emerged in the early 1960s and whose crucible was the Newport folk festival. In 1963 it provided the perfect platform for Dylan, under the patronage of Pete Seeger and Joan Baez, to be acknowledged as the principal voice of folk music at the age of just 22. Other stars of the time such as Baez, Seeger, Peter Paul and Mary, Judy Collins, Muddy Waters and Mahalia Jackson are also featured.

Arena: The Other Side of the Mirror - Bob Dylan at the Newport Folk Festival
9:40pm - 11:00pm
Murray Lerner's documentary features Bob Dylan's performances at the Newport folk festival between 1963 and 1965 - the time when Dylan changed the music of the world and changed himself from the fresh-faced cherub singing Blowin' in the Wind to the rock 'n' roll shaman who blew pop music apart when he went electric.

Dylan in the Madhouse
11:00pm - 12:10am
The story of the search for a remarkable piece of Bob Dylan archive. Remarkably, Dylan first visited Britain to take part in a BBC play. Enfant terrible TV director Philip Saville felt that he would be perfect for a high profile BBC drama Madhouse on Castle Street. Dylan sang four songs in the play, including his first ever broadcast of Blowin' in the Wind. Sadly, the BBC wiped the play in 1968.

Festival!: a Film by Murray Lerner
12:10am - 1:50am
A cinematic synthesis of four Newport Folk Festivals of the 1960s in which the art of folk music is pictured in transition during its most crucial years. The festivals were hugely influential and the film records the pivotal moment when Bob Dylan 'went electric'. Other artists performing include Joan Baez, Johnny Cash, Peter, Paul, and Mary, Donovan and Pete Seeger. The film was originally released in cinemas in 1967 and has been restored under the supervision of director Murray.

Bootle · « **Reply #90 on:** October 14, 2007, 06:06:12 pm »

Quote from: Bootle on October 12, 2007, 12:41:48 am

Hey Bobcats!

Just a quick heads-up, theres a "Dylan at Newport" night next Sunday on BBC4. Featuring:

Arena: Dylan's Folk - the Pure, the Bad and the Holy
9:00pm - 9:40pm
Documentary about the American folk revival, the milieu from which the nascent Bob Dylan emerged in the early 1960s and whose crucible was the Newport folk festival. In 1963 it provided the perfect platform for Dylan, under the patronage of Pete Seeger and Joan Baez, to be acknowledged as the principal voice of folk music at the age of just 22. Other stars of the time such as Baez, Seeger, Peter Paul and Mary, Judy Collins, Muddy Waters and Mahalia Jackson are also featured.

Arena: The Other Side of the Mirror - Bob Dylan at the Newport Folk Festival
9:40pm - 11:00pm
Murray Lerner's documentary features Bob Dylan's performances at the Newport folk festival between 1963 and 1965 - the time when Dylan changed the music of the world and changed himself from the fresh-faced cherub singing Blowin' in the Wind to the rock 'n' roll shaman who blew pop music apart when he went electric.

Dylan in the Madhouse
11:00pm - 12:10am
The story of the search for a remarkable piece of Bob Dylan archive. Remarkably, Dylan first visited Britain to take part in a BBC play. Enfant terrible TV director Philip Saville felt that he would be perfect for a high profile BBC drama Madhouse on Castle Street. Dylan sang four songs in the play, including his first ever broadcast of Blowin' in the Wind. Sadly, the BBC wiped the play in 1968.

Festival!: a Film by Murray Lerner
12:10am - 1:50am
A cinematic synthesis of four Newport Folk Festivals of the 1960s in which the art of folk music is pictured in transition during its most crucial years. The festivals were hugely influential and the film records the pivotal moment when Bob Dylan 'went electric'. Other artists performing include Joan Baez, Johnny Cash, Peter, Paul, and Mary, Donovan and Pete Seeger. The film was originally released in cinemas in 1967 and has been restored under the supervision of director Murray.

Just a bump before it all blasts off in a couple of hours.

I think I've already seen the doc about the BBC play he was in. If its the same thing, was a bit dull unfortunatley.

There was a piece in the TV guide about that arena programme though, it says there is loads of footage thats never been broadcast before.

Crackerjack Sam · « **Reply #91 on:** October 14, 2007, 06:38:24 pm »

Best song writer ever. Period

gritsvanilla · « **Reply #92 on:** October 15, 2007, 03:51:30 am »

Quote from: Crackerjack Sam on October 14, 2007, 06:38:24 pm

Best song writer ever. Period

I think Randy Newman and Joni Mitchell are both up there with him but i don't disagree with you if you know what i mean.

zimmie'5555 · « **Reply #93 on:** October 15, 2007, 01:40:17 pm »

Made for fantastic tv last night

Texas Reds Fan · « **Reply #94 on:** October 16, 2007, 12:44:49 am »

I'm more a Wallflowers fan. . . Well, there are a few songs of theirs I like. Probably wouldn't recognize a Bob Dylan song.

Rhaegar21 · « **Reply #95 on:** October 18, 2007, 03:26:30 pm »

Just bought Freewheelin. On the first listen, it sounds like I'll really enjoy it. Hard Rain, Masters of War, Don't think twice, Girl from the North Country are amazing.

It goes to show how over produced today's stuff is. Here is a young guy with an acoustic guitar, a harmonica and a way with words, making an amazing album.

Phil M · « **Reply #96 on:** October 18, 2007, 04:28:20 pm »

Quote from: kesey on October 10, 2007, 01:52:59 pm

Except when your heart is broken eh. By the way how come you have our kids flag as your avatar?

True and mine has been.

Because it is a class flag and brings back good memories of
Athens.
Hope ya don't mind.

Rhaegar21 · « **Reply #97 on:** October 18, 2007, 06:49:30 pm »

Beautiful Lyrics: Bob Dylan's Dream

While riding on a train goin' west,
I fell asleep for to take my rest.
I dreamed a dream that made me sad,
Concerning myself and the first few friends I had.

With half-damp eyes I stared to the room
Where my friends and I spent many an afternoon,
Where we together weathered many a storm,
Laughin' and singin' till the early hours of the morn.

By the old wooden stove where our hats was hung,
Our words were told, our songs were sung,
Where we longed for nothin' and were quite satisfied
Talkin' and a-jokin' about the world outside.

With haunted hearts through the heat and cold,
We never thought we could ever get old.
We thought we could sit forever in fun
But our chances really was a million to one.

As easy it was to tell black from white,
It was all that easy to tell wrong from right.
And our choices were few and the thought never hit
That the one road we traveled would ever shatter and split.

How many a year has passed and gone,
And many a gamble has been lost and won,
And many a road taken by many a friend,
And each one I've never seen again.

I wish, I wish, I wish in vain,
That we could sit simply in that room again.
Ten thousand dollars at the drop of a hat,
I'd give it all gladly if our lives could be like that.

mikek1984 · « **Reply #98 on:** October 18, 2007, 06:53:54 pm »

downloaded about 20 of his tunes

i like very much

Chivasino · « **Reply #99 on:** October 18, 2007, 11:36:42 pm »

The finest song penned:

Well, it's always been my nature to take chances
My right hand drawing back while my left hand advances
Where the current is strong and the monkey dances
To the tune of a concertina

Blood dryin' in my yellow hair as I go from shore to shore
I know what it is that has drawn me to your door
But whatever it could be, makes you think you've seen me before
Angelina

Oh, Angelina. Oh, Angelina

His eyes were two slits that would make a snake proud
With a face that any painter would paint as he walked through the crowd
Worshipping a god with the body of a woman well endowed
And the head of a hyena

Do I need your permission to turn the other cheek?
If you can read my mind, why must I speak?
No, I have heard nothing about the man that you seek
Angelina

Oh, Angelina. Oh, Angelina

In the valley of the giants where the stars and stripes explode
The peaches they were sweet and the milk and honey flowed
I was only following instructions when the judge sent me down the road
With your subpoena

When you cease to exist, then who will you blame?
I've tried my best to love you, but I cannot play this game
Your best friend and my worst enemy is one and the same
Angelina

Oh, Angelina. Oh, Angelina

There's a black Mercedes rollin' through the combat zone
Your servants are half dead; you're down to the bone
Tell me, tall man, where would you like to be overthrown
Maybe down in Jerusalem or Argentina?

She was stolen from her mother when she was three days old
Now her vengeance has been satisfied and her possessions have been sold
He's surrounded by God's angels and she's wearin' a blindfold
And so are you, Angelina

Oh, Angelina. Oh, Angelina

I see pieces of men marching; trying to take heaven by force
I can see the unknown rider, I can see the pale white horse
In God's truth tell me what you want, and you'll have it of course
Just step into the arena

Beat a path of retreat up them spiral staircases
Pass the tree of smoke, pass the angel with four faces
Begging God for mercy and weepin' in unholy places
Angelina

Oh, Angelina. Oh, Angelina

bigbear · « **Reply #100 on:** October 18, 2007, 11:49:04 pm »

The man is quality.

Blood on the Tracks is a top album but I just love Forever Young and all it means.

Zeppelin · « **Reply #101 on:** October 19, 2007, 08:53:01 am »

Bob Dylan's Never Ending Tour reached its 2000th show on 16th October in Dayton, Ohio. The first concert of the tour was in Concord on 7th June 1988 and Bob has toured continuously ever since. Pretty amazing for a man who turned 66 in 2007.

Phil M · « **Reply #102 on:** October 19, 2007, 10:21:22 am »

Quote from: Zeppelin on October 19, 2007, 08:53:01 am

Bob Dylan's Never Ending Tour reached its 2000th show on 16th October in Dayton, Ohio. The first concert of the tour was in Concord on 7th June 1988 and Bob has toured continuously ever since. Pretty amazing for a man who turned 66 in 2007.

No doubt,that is impressive.
He's a living legend.

Walter Sobchak · « **Reply #103 on:** November 16, 2007, 10:53:01 am »

For any fans in Ireland Dylans radio show is broadcast on Phantom FM. 9.30 every Sunday night…. 105.2FM

Euchrid Eucrow · « **Reply #104 on:** November 27, 2007, 01:51:06 am »

Thing I've found is he has so many strong albums, you can pick up two or three a year and
never get bored of him as they vary in style so much.

Picked up a 3cd Collection called Biography about 7 or 8 years ago, would heartily recommend it to anyone not too familiar with Dylan.

Favourite Dylan track (this month!) is Senor....its on Biography - not sure if its on a 'proper' album too.

I blagged a ticket to a warm-up gig in Dublin he did the night before playing The Point in about 2000/1, was amazing to see him in such a small venue. As you'd expect, they were the tightest band imaginable, though some songs have changed a lot through the years!!! (mainly slowing down!!)

Zeppelin · « **Reply #105 on:** November 27, 2007, 07:38:31 am »

Quote from: Euchrid Eucrow on November 27, 2007, 01:51:06 am

Favourite Dylan track (this month!) is Senor....its on Biography - not sure if its on a 'proper' album too.

It's on 'Street legal'

zimmie'5555 · « **Reply #106 on:** November 27, 2007, 03:06:45 pm »

Quote from: bigbear on October 18, 2007, 11:49:04 pm

The man is quality.

Blood on the Tracks is a top album but I just love Forever Young and all it means.

Written about the dude from The Wallflowers...

Euchrid Eucrow · « **Reply #107 on:** November 27, 2007, 04:15:54 pm »

Thanks, Zeppelin. It'll go on the christmas wish-list!!

Rhaegar21 · « **Reply #108 on:** November 27, 2007, 04:51:23 pm »

Quote from: Zeppelin on November 27, 2007, 07:38:31 am

It's on 'Street legal'

Which I've just ordered, and coming on Friday!

Got here in South Africa for R38, which equals ₤2.50

Rhaegar21 · « **Reply #109 on:** November 27, 2007, 05:52:32 pm »

I often worry about the lack of culture and sophistication in youngish people today. I tell my friends, who are in their mid-twenties that I'm big into Bob Dylan, and they laugh at me. And probably run off to listen to their Coldplay or Avril Lavign.

People nowadays $:-\$

Salty Dog · « **Reply #110 on:** November 27, 2007, 06:02:55 pm »

It is a sad state that less and less of the younger generation get exposed to "real music". And I'm saying this as a 28 year old. But, my earliest musical influence outside of my parents or friends at school was my older cousin. Even to this day he listens to some seriously eclectic stuff, not that I'm even into half of it, but just the fact that his musical tastes were always outside the box influenced my musical tastes. His father is a musician so it's not too hard to see why he would have such tastes.

Dylan though is undoubtedly a legend. Favorites for me include Visions of Johanna, It Takes Alot to Laugh It Takes a Train to Cry, and Simple Twist of Fate (if you like this song, give a listen to any performance of it by the Jerry Garcia Band.)

Not that it is my favorite song of his, but for some reason whenever I find myself putting songs on the jukebox at a bar I always put on Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat. And inevitably at least one other person always ends up singing it with me. It is one of my favorite piss-drunk belt it out at the top of your lungs songs

zimmie'5555 · « **Reply #111 on:** January 16, 2008, 03:25:33 pm »

New live album;

http://www.uncut.co.uk/news/bob_dylan/news/10895

Father Ted · « **Reply #112 on:** January 16, 2008, 11:59:07 pm »

Part 1 of Dylan's unreleased 1966 tour documentary Eat The Document. The rest of it is up there too, not great quality but still.

zimmie'5555 · « **Reply #113 on:** January 17, 2008, 11:27:56 pm »

Do any Dylan fans have any idea what 'Desolation Row' is actually about? I have my own ideas, but if anyone has any thoughts, please tell!

Bootle · « **Reply #114 on:** January 17, 2008, 11:49:27 pm »

Quote from: zimmie5555 on January 17, 2008, 11:27:56 pm

Do any Dylan fans have any idea what 'Desolation Row' is actually about? I have my own ideas, but if anyone has any thoughts, please tell!

Heres numerous Dylan fans' take on DR
http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=2266

bellinter · « **Reply #115 on:** January 18, 2008, 06:09:05 pm »

Quote from: zimmie5555 on January 17, 2008, 11:27:56 pm

Do any Dylan fans have any idea what 'Desolation Row' is actually about? I have my own ideas, but if anyone has any thoughts, please tell!

he talks about it in his chronicles, the bit about Ezra Pound and TS Eliot fighting in the captain's tower..... and that someone (cant recall who) approached him and spoke to him about its meaning.... but he never even hinted as to what it was about.

Either its about nothing or he just likes the idea of keeping people guessing

Rhaegar21 · « **Reply #116 on:** January 18, 2008, 06:36:34 pm »

Quote from: zimmie5555 on January 17, 2008, 11:27:56 pm

Do any Dylan fans have any idea what 'Desolation Row' is actually about? I have my own ideas, but if anyone has any thoughts, please tell!

I think its about America in the 60's. In the last verse he mentions about giving people all other names. I think Desloation Row = 1960's US. There's some web page I must find that tries to interprets it all.

Rhaegar21 · « **Reply #117 on:** January 19, 2008, 12:52:46 pm »

Been listening to Modern Times. Workingman Blues - song of the decade so far

zimmie'5555 · « **Reply #118 on:** January 20, 2008, 12:36:45 am »

Quote from: Rhaegar21 on January 19, 2008, 12:52:46 pm

Been listening to Modern Times. Workingman Blues #2 - song of the decade so far

It's certainly a beauty

Phil M · « **Reply #119 on:** January 20, 2008, 12:39:16 am »

Quote from: zimmie5555 on January 17, 2008, 11:27:56 pm

Do any Dylan fans have any idea what 'Desolation Row' is actually about? I have my own ideas, but if anyone has any thoughts, please tell!

From wiki:

Origins and influences of "Desolation Row"

The use of the word "Desolation" is a strong indication that Dylan was referring to Jack Kerouac's novel Desolation Angels. Kerouac spent the summer of 1956 as a fire lookout on Desolation Peak, and wrote The Dharma Bums and Desolation Angels from his life transforming experiences on the peak. On the other hand, John Steinbeck's Cannery Row is a place where the outcasts of society found a home (as in "Skid Row"). A further indication that Dylan was inspired by Steinbeck is found in his reference to Cain and Abel. In one of Steinbeck's most famous novels East of Eden he makes several references to the Book of Genesis and particularly to Cain and Abel.

Al Kooper, who played organ and piano on the album, claimed in his autobiography that "Desolation Row" was Eighth Avenue in New York City. At the time, this was a very dangerous part of town. It is likely that Dylan's experiences in Greenwich Village had a powerful influence on him.

There is also a strong suggestion that the image and content of "Desolation Row" was influenced by Dylan's native Duluth, Minnesota, located at the northern end of Highway 61. It is the place where society's forsaken end up. It may well have seemed that way to young Zimmerman.

Lastly, T. S. Eliot's The Waste Land also appears to have influenced "Desolation Row." T. S. Eliot had died earlier in 1965.