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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1520 on: March 1, 2012, 03:47:19 pm »
Any official news on Agger yet?
I don't know if this has been posted yet in here.

Dalglish said: "He's got a fractured rib, so maybe it will be a few weeks.

"Anybody that is injured is a miss. Daniel has been playing fantastically well this year, but we'll miss anybody that is not fit and available.

"The squad is there to cover eventualities, injuries and suspensions - and we'll need to cover for Daniel if he's going to be out for a few weeks."

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1521 on: March 1, 2012, 04:18:49 pm »
This is all a bit much, I mean he has other ribs he can use.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1522 on: March 1, 2012, 05:34:49 pm »
I kind of thought it was as well, but only to a certain extent. The way I read it though is that Carra's seen the writing on the wall. He know's that was probably his last chance to lift a trophy with the club and he wanted his lad to be a part of it.

that's probably how the sky interviewer saw it as well but carra bit his head off.
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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1523 on: March 1, 2012, 05:36:42 pm »
that's probably how the sky interview saw it as well but carra bit his head off.

Not that i give two fucks for any Sky representative, i didn't see a whole lot wrong with the question when put into the context of how much playing time he has seen this season.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1524 on: March 1, 2012, 05:39:12 pm »
Not that i give two fucks for any Sky representative, i didn't see a whole lot wrong with the question when put into the context of how much playing time he has seen this season.



I agree. carra has played less than any time in his career, brought his kid up to share his cup triumph and the interview asked him about his future and got his head chewed off.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1525 on: March 1, 2012, 05:41:55 pm »
You have to admit though, it was hilarious how Burton didn't catch on and thought Carragher was talking about getting a job in Sky himself :lmao

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1526 on: March 1, 2012, 05:52:23 pm »
To be honest, it is kind of getting tedious and sad how Carra is becoming a 'controversial' subject. Never overstay past your best is the lesson to be learned in all of this. Sami did the right thing, and so did some of the others, leave on a high and with good memories. All that gets talked about now is Carra's politicking, his age, his speed, and now his lad. Depressing...

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1527 on: March 1, 2012, 06:05:22 pm »
What has "local" got to do with anything? It's not relevant to the debate of Coates vs Carragher, but I know a fair few people thought in hindsight that allowing Carragher's 10-year-old son to be the second person to actually lift the trophy was a little inappropriate.

Carragher is a walking, talking self-promotion machine.  His self-indulgence in inserting his kid into this event is consistent with his entitlement attitude when it comes to LFC.  He should not be allowed to continue his campaign to get himself a job at the club after his contract expires.  He should be told to shut up or ship out.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1528 on: March 1, 2012, 06:07:20 pm »
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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1529 on: March 1, 2012, 07:14:22 pm »
Carragher is a walking, talking self-promotion machine.  His self-indulgence in inserting his kid into this event is consistent with his entitlement attitude when it comes to LFC.  He should not be allowed to continue his campaign to get himself a job at the club after his contract expires.  He should be told to shut up or ship out.
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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1530 on: March 1, 2012, 09:36:43 pm »
What has "local" got to do with anything? It's not relevant to the debate of Coates vs Carragher, but I know a fair few people thought in hindsight that allowing Carragher's 10-year-old son to be the second person to actually lift the trophy was a little inappropriate.

Carra's son thought it was awesome, so he can't be one of the 'fair few'.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1531 on: March 1, 2012, 09:37:27 pm »
Carragher is a walking, talking self-promotion machine.  His self-indulgence in inserting his kid into this event is consistent with his entitlement attitude when it comes to LFC.  He should not be allowed to continue his campaign to get himself a job at the club after his contract expires.  He should be told to shut up or ship out.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1532 on: March 1, 2012, 09:42:37 pm »
Nor would I, which was why I was surprised that, having hauled the lad up all those dancers and put him second in line behind Gerrard, he went on to snatch the wee lad's hand away from the trophy when the moment came. Conflicting messages for the little chap there Jamie.
Can't see any issue with the young son of a lad who has given so much to the club, joining his dad to collect what may well be his last medal.

What's the problem. I think Carra's day is well done and I'd like Coates to play on Saturday BUT I don't begrudge him that nice moment with his son, not do I begrudge a young red that opportunity.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1533 on: March 1, 2012, 09:59:23 pm »
Can't see any issue with the young son of a lad who has given so much to the club, joining his dad to collect what may well be his last medal.

What's the problem. I think Carra's day is well done and I'd like Coates to play on Saturday BUT I don't begrudge him that nice moment with his son, not do I begrudge a young red that opportunity.

so true.  Good on you Carra for taking your boy up there. 

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1534 on: March 1, 2012, 11:28:42 pm »
that's probably how the sky interviewer saw it as well but carra bit his head off.

Not that i give two fucks for any Sky representative, i didn't see a whole lot wrong with the question when put into the context of how much playing time he has seen this season.

I agree. carra has played less than any time in his career, brought his kid up to share his cup triumph and the interview asked him about his future and got his head chewed off.

I strongly disagree.

For starters Carra didn't "bite or chew his head off". Not at all. He took the piss out of Burton with a smile on his face and was laughing when he did it. When you watch the clip it's obvious it was a scathing put down, but it was delivered as a wry joke. It was far less rude and abrasive than Kenny has been many times this season when dealing with the likes of Burton. Kenny bites people's heads off and there is no humour in it sometimes. I don't mind him doing that mind, when it is the Sky reporters who have been trying to undermine us for years.

Secondly I think Burton showed a lack of respect and/or tact, that wasn't the time to ask that question as Carra was celebrating, and if he had to ask it, he shouldn't have phrased it so badly. Bringing up the fact that Carra isn't starting regularly, in doing so questioning whether he has still got it as he celebrated an emotional cup win was an odd tactic if he was looking to get a line about Carragher anticipating this being his final year.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1535 on: March 1, 2012, 11:37:42 pm »
Plus he's inexperienced, so naturally we can't dare risk playing him until that changes.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1536 on: March 1, 2012, 11:39:38 pm »
Secondly I think Burton showed a lack of respect and/or tact, that wasn't the time to ask that question as Carra was celebrating, and if he had to ask it, he shouldn't have phrased it so badly. Bringing up the fact that Carra isn't starting regularly, in doing so questioning whether he has still got it as he celebrated an emotional cup win was an odd tactic if he was looking to get a line about Carragher anticipating this being his final year.
I didn't see this interview so don't know how the question was phrased, but on a similar note, I vividly recall Gary Mac being interviewed on the Dortmund pitch with the celebrations going on all around, and it went like this...

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1537 on: March 1, 2012, 11:40:54 pm »
I didn't see this interview so don't know how the question was phrased, but on a similar note, I vividly recall Gary Mac being interviewed on the Dortmund pitch with the celebrations going on all around, and it went like this...

"Gary, you're 36 now, did you think you'd be here? And what does this mean for the future of Liverpool?"

His reply? "Ach, the future of Liverpool isnae me!"
I don't think Carra has made peace with the fact he'll never be first choice here again.

It told on Sunday.
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« Reply #1538 on: March 1, 2012, 11:42:44 pm »
I don't think Carra has made peace with the fact he'll never be first choice here again.

It told on Sunday.

And rightly so. He's got a big part yet to play this season with Agger now out.

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« Reply #1539 on: March 1, 2012, 11:43:19 pm »
Carra might be passed it but he always seems to pull a great performance out his arse in the big games.
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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1540 on: March 1, 2012, 11:45:58 pm »
And rightly so. He's got a big part yet to play this season with Agger now out.
But that doesn't mean he's first choice.

I'd genuinely rather play Coates or Kelly beside Skrtel before Carragher.
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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1541 on: March 1, 2012, 11:48:15 pm »
I didn't see this interview so don't know how the question was phrased, but on a similar note, I vividly recall Gary Mac being interviewed on the Dortmund pitch with the celebrations going on all around, and it went like this...

"Gary, you're 36 now, did you think you'd be here? And what does this mean for the future of Liverpool?"

His reply? "Ach, the future of Liverpool isnae me!"

A witty and humble reply from a great man. However, I think the difference there was that Gary Mac was two years older, it was the end of the season not midway through, and most importantly he had joined the summer before from Coventry in what was seen as a shock free transfer, as it was thought he was definitely at the end of his career, and would never play for a big club again, let alone reach a European final. That's what the interviewer was getting at. And crucially the question was phrased well and wasn't referring to him not being a regular starter when he still had a big part to play in months to come.

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« Reply #1542 on: March 1, 2012, 11:50:08 pm »
But that doesn't mean he's first choice.

I'd genuinely rather play Coates or Kelly beside Skrtel before Carragher.

But Kenny won't and that's all that matters really mate isn't it? Carra will go straight into the team now Agger is out, and that's why to me Burton's question was an odd one to ask in February with us still competing for an FA Cup and fourth.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1543 on: March 1, 2012, 11:50:16 pm »
This is all a bit much, I mean he has other ribs he can use.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1544 on: March 1, 2012, 11:52:11 pm »
A witty and humble reply from a great man. However, I think the difference there was that Gary Mac was two years older, it was the end of the season not midway through, and most importantly he had joined the summer before from Coventry in what was seen as a shock free transfer, as it was thought he was definitely at the end of his career, and would never play for a big club again, let alone reach a European final. That's what the interviewer was getting at. And crucially the question was phrased well and wasn't referring to him not being a regular starter when he still had a big part to play in months to come.

Yeah, I don't mind Carra 'raging against the dying light'. No footballer can be expected to draw the curtains on their own career. The desire to keep on playing for ever is a natural one.
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« Reply #1545 on: March 1, 2012, 11:52:36 pm »
But Kenny won't and that's all that matters really mate isn't it? Carra will go straight into the team now Agger is out, and that's why to me Burton's question was an odd one to ask in February with us still competing for an FA Cup and fourth.
I would say so. I just happen to think it's the wrong choice.

Carra just brings too much baggage into the team these days. I look forward to our defensive line being level with the hot dog stand.
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« Reply #1546 on: March 1, 2012, 11:57:45 pm »
Can't see any issue with the young son of a lad who has given so much to the club, joining his dad to collect what may well be his last medal.

What's the problem. I think Carra's day is well done and I'd like Coates to play on Saturday BUT I don't begrudge him that nice moment with his son, not do I begrudge a young red that opportunity.

That's my problem with it. A young red, why not all of them since they were bringing kids along? I have no problem with it, but why not any of the other players?
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« Reply #1547 on: March 1, 2012, 11:58:56 pm »
Yeah, I don't mind Carra 'raging against the dying light'. No footballer can be expected to draw the curtains on their own career. The desire to keep on playing for ever is a natural one.

Yeah exactly, that's a good way of putting it, not heard that phrase before. Just look at Robbie training with Blackpool with a view to playing for them this year. Or Scholes returning when he said he was done. It must be so hard to give up the love of your life and accept your time is up, without some smarmy Sky reporter telling you that's the case mid-season.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1548 on: March 2, 2012, 12:00:41 am »
The time to bed in young defenders,  untried in the Premiership, is pre-season, Carling Cup and early League games, not in six-pointers at the business end of the season.

At this crucial time of the year you need rested, battle-hardened pros to step up, characters who have done it all and seen it all during their time in football. People who won't be phased  by a visit from Arsenal.

Luckily, we have one such character. The manager will select Carra.
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« Reply #1549 on: March 2, 2012, 12:01:20 am »
I would say so. I just happen to think it's the wrong choice.

Carra just brings too much baggage into the team these days. I look forward to our defensive line being level with the hot dog stand.

Fair enough, I don't see that baggage point now, I think what went on behind the scenes in the last days of Rafa and Hodgson's time would not be tolerated under Kenny and everybody at the club got a clean slate when he arrived in my eyes.

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« Reply #1550 on: March 2, 2012, 12:03:49 am »
Coates over Carragher? Absolutely mental.

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« Reply #1551 on: March 2, 2012, 12:04:59 am »
The time to bed in young defenders,  untried in the Premiership, is pre-season, Carling Cup and early League games, not in six-pointers at the business end of the season.

At this crucial time of the year you need rested, battle-hardened pros to step up, characters who have done it all and seen it all during their time in football. People who won't be phased  by a visit from Arsenal.

Luckily, we have one such character. The manager will select Carra.
But one who has been in absolutely terrible form for the majority of the season.

It forces Skrtel to move across to the left side where he is a hell of a lot less comfortable.
It means we'll be a deeper than if Kelly or Coates played.
Also, Coates may be 'untried' in the Premiership as you say, but he's won a Copa America and was man of the match contender against Chelsea at the Bridge earlier in the season.
Arsenal are likely to be playing with Walcott, Gervinho, and Van Persie. All very clever with their movement and extremely pacey.

If Carra deals with them then I'll be more than happy to eat my words. I just think it's a recipe for disaster.
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« Reply #1552 on: March 2, 2012, 12:05:15 am »
But that doesn't mean he's first choice.

I'd genuinely rather play Coates or Kelly beside Skrtel before Carragher.

I wouldn't. Coates and Kelly are the future, not the present.

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« Reply #1553 on: March 2, 2012, 12:06:48 am »
Fair enough, I don't see that baggage point now, I think what went on behind the scenes in the last days of Rafa and Hodgson's time would not be tolerated under Kenny and everybody at the club got a clean slate when he arrived in my eyes.
I don't mean in terms of 'off the pitch baggage' mate. I mean purely on field. I don't have time for any of that speculative nonsense in regard to Carra, Purslow, and Rafa.

I just mean he brings baggage on the field because we have to change our game too much for my liking when he's included.
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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1554 on: March 2, 2012, 12:07:37 am »
I wouldn't. Coates and Kelly are the future, not the present.
Carra is the past, not the present.

And I'd rather give invest some time in the future.
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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1555 on: March 2, 2012, 12:11:13 am »
Wasn't comparing as such but I get your point especially if it was asked in a snide way so as to touch a nerve, which judging by his response, it did.

But still, you said it yourself. Humble being the operative word. MacAllister said that quite solemnly with an accepting sigh. He knew when it was time to step aside for others. As did Sami, who once said something about he didn't like not playing but accepted that sometimes it was for the good of the team that he didn't, that other players were better options and he respected that. I think it's obvious Carragher is not of the same mentality but then again, few are.

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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1556 on: March 2, 2012, 12:15:39 am »
Yeah exactly, that's a good way of putting it, not heard that phrase before. Just look at Robbie training with Blackpool with a view to playing for them this year. Or Scholes returning when he said he was done. It must be so hard to give up the love of your life and accept your time is up, without some smarmy Sky reporter telling you that's the case mid-season.

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Anyway, the way I see it is if Carragher plays and we get beat, the moaning commences. Ditto if Coates plays. If Carra plays and we twat them, we'll hear "they never troubled us so it would have been ideal experience for Coates." As far as fans and results are concerned, it's a no win situation. I think Kenny will go with Carragher though regardless.

Personally there's a few tactical reasons I'd like Coates playing instead of Carragher. Skrtel will be forced over to the left of the centre halves to accomodate him, when all his outstanding performances have been on the right of the two. Coates on the other hand would start on the left of the two and follow Skrtel's commands. Skrtel has definitely improved on his bossing and organising the defence this season. Carra won't be told what to do by Skrtel and will automatically assume the leadership role, resulting in us dropping back about 15 yards more than normal. If they leave space like that between themselves and the midfield for Rosicky and Van Persie to exploit, they'll fucking murder us. Not only that, Johnson and Enrique won't get forward as much, or will have more ground to cover when they do, and possibly have the prospect of Wankalot and Chambermaid running at them at pace. I hope I'm wrong about all the above though, and Skrtel grabs hold of Carra before the game and shows him who the daddy is.
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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1557 on: March 2, 2012, 12:15:50 am »
Coates over Carragher? Absolutely mental.
Don't be hysterical. In terms of logical football rationale, those factors favouring Coates outweigh those for Carragher.
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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1558 on: March 2, 2012, 12:17:52 am »
But one who has been in absolutely terrible form for the majority of the season.

It forces Skrtel to move across to the left side where he is a hell of a lot less comfortable.
It means we'll be a deeper than if Kelly or Coates played.
Also, Coates may be 'untried' in the Premiership as you say, but he's won a Copa America and was man of the match contender against Chelsea at the Bridge earlier in the season.
Arsenal are likely to be playing with Walcott, Gervinho, and Van Persie. All very clever with their movement and extremely pacey.

If Carra deals with them then I'll be more than happy to eat my words. I just think it's a recipe for disaster.

Fucking hell, I was thinking exactly the same as you! I was probably typing it as the same time as you, but I'm just not as quick. a Carragher of the keyboard if you like  :D
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Re: Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel Partnership
« Reply #1559 on: March 2, 2012, 12:20:44 am »
Fucking hell, I was thinking exactly the same as you! I was probably typing it as the same time as you, but I'm just not as quick. a Carragher of the keyboard if you like  :D
Ha ha.

This is proof that Coates should play. I've got much better hair than Seb though. And I'm sure you're hoof to pass ration on the keyboard is less than Jamie's.
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