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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5600 on: November 27, 2011, 10:45:23 pm »
Lucas is all the proof you need for giving young players time.

Yes, he made silly fouls at times, and yes, he wasn't always the most adventurous of passers, but the ability was there. His passing was very rarely unsuccessful, he could clearly tackle. There were always signs, and he's shown what experience will do.

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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5601 on: November 27, 2011, 11:03:28 pm »
He is a world class player, always was and finally everybody recognizes this.

Him, Agger and Suarez are the back bone of our play at the moment, if one of them gets injured we are into some trouble this season, especially against the top teams.
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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5602 on: November 27, 2011, 11:09:14 pm »
Most complete defensive midfielder going around, world class it's ridicoulos that two people at my work still think he is shit.

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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5603 on: November 27, 2011, 11:09:45 pm »
I heard he's lazy in training. Obviously just hasn't got the right attitude to be a Liverpool player.

Fucking hell - isn't that exactly what Roy said last summer? It struck.me as bizzare at the time and made.me wonder if his faculties were fully up to speed.

Lucas has been boss for a few years now and I never saw masch put in as rounded and as commanding a performance as that. He's a a fucking monster now - city; you take your 150million sheik oil soaked midfield and stick them up your arse - we have the very best there is with this lad.

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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5604 on: November 27, 2011, 11:11:34 pm »
Fucking hell - isn't that exactly what Roy said last summer? It struck.me as bizzare at the time and made.me wonder if his faculties were fully up to speed.

Did he? When was this?
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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5605 on: November 27, 2011, 11:12:31 pm »
Brilliant today I thought.  Especially  in the second half.  everything went through him

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« Reply #5606 on: November 27, 2011, 11:12:33 pm »
Simply amazing this guy. Don't know of any other player who was booed by his own stupid fans at such a young age,who then went on to become a player of such high quality.

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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5607 on: November 27, 2011, 11:13:35 pm »
Did he? When was this?
Only person I can recall saying that was djphal. And I don't think djphal's source at the club was Roy ;D

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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5608 on: November 27, 2011, 11:17:08 pm »
I can't remember seeing to many better DM displays then that. Absolutely owned the midfield against top quality opposition. Yaya Toure, Milner, Silva & Nasri.....he made them all his bitches.

He is one of the most subtly skillfull players in the world I reckon. Brilliant passing technique, fantastic in the tackle and shields the ball brilliantly. I reckon he's better than Mascherano now, has been for the best part of 12 months. He might not be as dynamic but the sheer amount of ball his winning at the moment is tremendous.
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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5609 on: November 27, 2011, 11:17:12 pm »
Did he? When was this?

Don't want to get old man Royston in any more trouble than he's in with us reds, but am sure I heard him (or perhaps someone else at the club) say or insinuate something along those lines.

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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5610 on: November 27, 2011, 11:17:24 pm »
Most complete defensive midfielder going around, world class it's ridicoulos that two people at my work still think he is shit.

You'd be amazed how many people still think that, some people have an opinion on a player and then just won't change it no matter what. He's just making those people look more and more ridiculous though.

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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5611 on: November 27, 2011, 11:19:10 pm »
Only person I can recall saying that was djphal. And I don't think djphal's source at the club was Roy ;D

Ah right thanks. I heard he's got links to a Nigerian prince...
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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5612 on: November 27, 2011, 11:20:04 pm »
Don't want to get old man Royston in any more trouble than he's in with us reds, but am sure I heard him (or perhaps someone else at the club) say or insinuate something along those lines.

If they were rumours, you're right, best to leave them that way. I can't believe it's true anyway, having watched him these last 5 years. Madness to think we were looking to sell him last summer though.
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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5613 on: November 27, 2011, 11:22:07 pm »
Don't want to get old man Royston in any more trouble than he's in with us reds, but am sure I heard him (or perhaps someone else at the club) say or insinuate something along those lines.

I don't think it's directly attributable to anyone.
It was a rumour that was going around not long after Roy took over, at a time when there were (completely coincidentally) rumours the club were looking to sell him.

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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5614 on: November 27, 2011, 11:22:19 pm »
Fucking BOSS. Cant say it any better.

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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5615 on: November 27, 2011, 11:22:50 pm »
Lucas is boss. Made up he's ours, made up he's tied to a long term deal. And seems to be developing a nice little partnership with Adam too
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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5616 on: November 27, 2011, 11:22:56 pm »
Unbelievable today, ran the game.

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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5617 on: November 27, 2011, 11:24:36 pm »
If they were rumours, you're right, best to leave them that way. I can't believe it's true anyway, having watched him these last 5 years. Madness to think we were looking to sell him last summer though.

Is total crazytown - and for 2/3rds of the daylight robbery rafa perpetrated on gremio.

If we were to sell now he would be for 25mil plus.

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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5618 on: November 27, 2011, 11:27:47 pm »
I don't think it's directly attributable to anyone.
It was a rumour that was going around not long after Roy took over, at a time when there were (completely coincidentally) rumours the club were looking to sell him.

If so it sounds like the talk of someone who hadn't a clue about football. Maybe someone who had expensive shoes and an ivy league education, but not the slightest fucking clue about football.

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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5619 on: November 27, 2011, 11:28:49 pm »

Aye John, but your stuff was mild. There must be half a dozen folk who've changed their user-names because of this lad. A couple have even changed their football teams.

;D

My initial reply was just a smilie yorky but I thought I'd edit it to tell a you about a guy that I've known for exactly 20 years and he's had a season ticket for at least that duration. We're not mates, I worked with him and the mutual connection was the love for the club. He was always rational and passionate about us. Our jobs separated a while ago but I was in his workplace often though January this year (2011) and immediately our daily chats about Liverpool resumed.

One day he said to me "the trouble with this club is Lucas, once we get rid of him we'll play better, its ridiculous that he ever gets a game". Of course by then I'd witnessed and appreciated his development even if I still wasn't his biggest fan, so I had to disagree, I tried to explain how he'd found his own position but the guy just wouldn't listen.
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btw - he deffo needs to start scoring.
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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5620 on: November 27, 2011, 11:29:38 pm »
That was the most complete performance by one of our CM's in a long, long time. Absolutely immense for 90 minutes, it's a fucking travesty he didn't end up on the winning side today.

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Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5621 on: November 27, 2011, 11:54:23 pm »
Absolutely breathtaking performance today. I don't think I've applauded and smiled for a midfielder's tackles, vision, and strength as much since the day Sissoko welcomed Chelsea to Anfield.

Lucas is BOSS.

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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5622 on: November 27, 2011, 11:55:02 pm »
It's a pleasure to watch this lad playing. Fucking brilliant performance.
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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5623 on: November 27, 2011, 11:57:13 pm »
I'll admit to having given him abuse a lot in the the past. Fair play to him though he is a top player now
I find that startling mate, I can't comprehend how, why or where actual abuse would be delivered. Going back 3 years my issue wasn't with a young supposedly attacking player we'd scooped, my issue was with posters proclaiming average games as "superb or "excellent" when they weren't. But I'm not going to say anymore because the thread needn't be derailed and the past is history when this lad has genuinely turned in to a Liverpool player. Unlike a certain player in the squad I'd be proud to talk about Lucas's development at the club. And there's no irony in my post.

Keep it up Lucas.

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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5624 on: November 27, 2011, 11:58:38 pm »
Utterly brilliant today. Motm by some distance.
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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5625 on: November 28, 2011, 12:05:34 am »
;D

My initial reply was just a smilie yorky but I thought I'd edit it to tell a you about a guy that I've known for exactly 20 years and he's had a season ticket for at least that duration. We're not mates, I worked with him and the mutual connection was the love for the club. He was always rational and passionate about us. Our jobs separated a while ago but I was in his workplace often though January this year (2011) and immediately our daily chats about Liverpool resumed.

One day he said to me "the trouble with this club is Lucas, once we get rid of him we'll play better, its ridiculous that he ever gets a game". Of course by then I'd witnessed and appreciated his development even if I still wasn't his biggest fan, so I had to disagree, I tried to explain how he'd found his own position but the guy just wouldn't listen.
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btw - he deffo needs to start scoring.

And he will.

I know the type though. They do still exist. I've told the story before on here about some of the lads in my football team. Eighteen months ago I asked some of them what they thought of Lucas as a player. Many of them are from North and West Africa and although none are Liverpool supporters they all - very gratifyingly - said that they thought Lucas was one of the best midfielders in the Premier League.  They didn't say it to please me because all of them could support their answer with intelligent reasons. I turn to an English lad though - and a  Liverpool fan - and all I get is how useless Lucas is. Square passes, too soft, can't tackle, too slow, can't head, etc etc. It sort of figured in a way because the bloke in question is all aggression and no technique (ie a menace to his own team). But it was disheartening because you like to think Reds are better educated than that. 

Anyway, you have to be realistic. Some Liverpool supporters will never fully understand Lucas for the same reason they'll never fully understand football. It's a pity. It means their lives are emptier. But what can you do?
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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5626 on: November 28, 2011, 12:09:02 am »
What gets me about him is that whenever he gets some kind of award, like MOTM today or Player of the Season last season, he looks like he thinks someone's taking the piss!
When Charlie Adam gave him the champagne  I was expecting him to at least smile, but he just looked a bit embarrassed, as though he doesn't quite believe it himself.
In the midst of the giant egos it's lovely to see someone who is so good and yet seems to be such an unassuming and humble young man.
Tremendous performance today.

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« Reply #5627 on: November 28, 2011, 12:09:19 am »
Totally dominated the engine of midfield today and broke down City's game play all over the pitch too.  No one can deny that back all them years ago when fools booed one of our own in the game against Fulham he has stood up and answered the critics and literally had the last laugh.  Quietly but with overt expertise he gets on with his football week in week out and long may it continue.
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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5628 on: November 28, 2011, 12:11:37 am »
Got to be one of the best Tacklers in the premiership now absolutely in love with the lad. After all the shit our fans put him through he's kept his cool worked hard and now he's the first name on the team sheet. I'm made up for the lad now he's finally getting some of the recognition he deserves
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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5629 on: November 28, 2011, 12:12:38 am »
he was everywhere tonight.

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« Reply #5630 on: November 28, 2011, 12:13:49 am »
It means their lives are emptier. But what can you do?
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« Reply #5631 on: November 28, 2011, 12:13:52 am »
That must of been the first ever official MOTD/Sky man of the match the kids ever had?  :-\
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« Reply #5632 on: November 28, 2011, 12:14:07 am »
I. Love. Lucas.
Good grief he was brilliant today. Fucking beast!
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« Reply #5633 on: November 28, 2011, 12:14:10 am »
Whoa! Brilliant once again.

Overall might prove to be Rafa's most valuable signing masterstroke, 'cause his attitude and loyalty lifts him above some others

And the idea of him to be sold last year, for Fowler's sake :P
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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5634 on: November 28, 2011, 12:14:18 am »
What a player today. Brilliant to see Sky give him the credit he deserves

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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5635 on: November 28, 2011, 12:16:40 am »
I'm in love with him.

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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5636 on: November 28, 2011, 12:19:10 am »
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Funnily enough the bloke I was talking about loves Kuyt.

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Re: Lucas’ critical role for Liverpool
« Reply #5637 on: November 28, 2011, 12:20:23 am »



In case your cockles aren't warmed enough. Makes me think of a koala bear and its cub.
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« Reply #5638 on: November 28, 2011, 12:20:47 am »
What a player today. Brilliant to see Sky give him the credit he deserves
I suspect it's because the inbred manc recognises a good player when he sees one. Kills me but he's a very good pundit.

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« Reply #5639 on: November 28, 2011, 12:22:23 am »
Got to be one of the best Tacklers in the premiership now absolutely in love with the lad.

Statistically he was the best tackler in Europe last season (England/Spain/Italy/France/Germany).