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A message from Paul Scraton
« on: April 29, 2016, 03:15:06 PM »
We received the message below to the RAWK email and we are delighted to pass it on. We are immensely grateful for all of the sacrifices that the Scraton family will have made over the last 27 years. Without them, we may never have prevailed. 

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Hi Guys,

My name is Paul Scraton. I think you know my Dad! Anyway, I read on the forum today someone wondering about the impact Hillsborough has had on Dad and his family and it inspired me to write this blog post:

https://underagreysky.com/2016/04/28/27years-hillsborough/

I am not a member of the forum, so I would be grateful if you could share the text on RAWK. You can copy and paste it all - I don't care about links or anything - but I thought you might be interested in these reflections.

Thanks so much for all the support you have give to him over the years... it means a lot to him, and to us, that there is such a community out there.

All the best from Berlin,

Paul

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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2016, 03:34:17 PM »
Fantastic
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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2016, 03:34:52 PM »
Thanks for sharing that.

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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2016, 03:46:28 PM »
Thanks for writing that Paul, it's beautifully put.




I earlier came across this video of a great lecture given by Phil from a couple of years ago on researching Hillsborough.  Well worth a watch

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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2016, 03:53:19 PM »
What an utterly remarkable family. Very humbling.


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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2016, 04:35:54 PM »
What an utterly remarkable family. Very humbling.

I can only echo that.

Thank you for sharing.
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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2016, 04:58:00 PM »
Well done Paul....really great. You've something of the gift your dad has in there.

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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2016, 04:59:00 PM »
That's fantastic. Lovely read. Thanks for posting.
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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2016, 05:28:02 PM »
Back in 2009 a few of us started the Steven Cohen boycott. That is when I got in contact with Prof. Phil.

I don't want to drag that all up again but Phil was most helpful in putting our point across versus the lies Cohen was airing.

The boycott was successful and Cohen took his program off the air. All we wanted was him to offer a full apology and not tell the lies on air again or him off his show. Instead he took his program off the air.

Prof. Scraton has done himself and the community proud. A most humble man.

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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2016, 06:28:54 PM »
I'd never seen that Phil Scraton lecture. Thanks. Very harrowing, but educational.

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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2016, 06:56:37 PM »
Back in 2009 a few of us started the Steven Cohen boycott. That is when I got in contact with Prof. Phil.

I don't want to drag that all up again but Phil was most helpful in putting our point across versus the lies Cohen was airing.

The boycott was successful and Cohen took his program off the air. All we wanted was him to offer a full apology and not tell the lies on air again or him off his show. Instead he took his program off the air.

Prof. Scraton has done himself and the community proud. A most humble man.


I remember that well,you also deserve a pat on the back for all your effort.

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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2016, 07:25:36 PM »
Paul, thanks hugely for this post. I think mine might have been the post you're talking about....
Without wishing to form a 'pecking order' of the legends emerging in the past 27 years, I have absolutely no doubt about 2 things.

First, without the work and the forensic detail applied by Professor Scraton, the fight for justice would most likely have died in the 'fallow years' as you eloquently put it. There would not have been the HIP or this week's verdict.

Second, the ultimate 'Hero of Hillsborough' is Phil Scraton.

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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2016, 07:25:52 PM »
We received the message below to the RAWK email and we are delighted to pass it on. We are immensely grateful for all of the sacrifices that the Scraton family will have made over the last 27 years. Without them, we may never have prevailed. 


well that just made me cry.
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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2016, 07:32:52 PM »
Thank you Professor Scratton, and family.

Myself and my Dad, Geordies born, bred and lived always on Tyneside and Newcastle supporters very much appreciate, and are extremely grateful for all you have done for everyone in Liverpool, up and down the land and around the world who was / is effected by this awful, terrible tragedy.
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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2016, 09:46:25 PM »
Absolutely wonderful, and for the umpteenth time this month my eyes well up.

Thank you Paul.

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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2016, 10:14:08 PM »
Got a lump in my throat reading that.  Lost count of how many times I've welled up over the last few days, but none of it would have been possible without the hard work and diligence of your dad. It's obvious you're a chip off the old block.  What a wonderful family ~ Thank-You
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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2016, 10:34:50 PM »
Mr. Scraton is simply a legend. I have a friend who recently studied under him at Queens. He is a Chelsea fan but he is in utter awe of him. thank you again for everything
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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2016, 09:38:52 AM »
Just to point out that you can add a comment at the bottom of the article. ;)


https://underagreysky.com/2016/04/28/27years-hillsborough/

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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2016, 10:28:11 AM »
Echo all the sentiments towards this great man.
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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2016, 11:04:44 AM »
As his son you should be proud Paul. Thanks for everything Prof.

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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2016, 11:23:43 AM »
Thanks Paul,you & your family must be extremely proud & rightly so.

Words cannot express how much admiration & how grateful we all are of your father & his work.

The 'Hero of Hillsborough' from cowtownred is very fitting too,thankyou for everything Prof Scraton.
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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2016, 11:37:27 AM »
Thank you Paul. The pride you feel is well deserved. Your father's search for the truth was unfaltering. Thank you for sharing and best wishes to you and your family.

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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2016, 11:48:44 AM »
Thank you Paul. Having had the privilege of meeting Phil several times - and literally holding him up after the 4th goal went in v Dortumnd (:P) he speaks so lovingly of his family and the support that YOU have given HIM over the years.

I say this without fear of exaggeration or ridicule but he deserves a knighthood for his services to people everywhere who suffer injustice and harm.

Whether he'd accept it or not is a different debate ;D

All the best to you, Paul, and the rest of the family, from RAWK and from everywhere in the multiverse :wave
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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2016, 12:02:50 PM »
All the best to you, Paul, and the rest of the family, from RAWK and from everywhere in the multiverse :wave

Absolutely agree 100%. The blog post is lovely, thanks for sharing your thoughts, Paul.

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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2016, 12:06:44 PM »
What an amazing family.

I'm just emotional again in reading that blog.

Thank you to the Scratons.

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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2016, 12:47:48 PM »
Oh yea and so jealous of you living in Berlin Paul. ;)

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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2016, 02:31:16 PM »
Thank you for sharing. Prof. Phil Scraton is worthy of so many words of thanking I wouldn't know where to begin or end.
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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2016, 02:45:53 PM »
I earlier came across this video of a great lecture given by Phil from a couple of years ago on researching Hillsborough.  Well worth a watch

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/3E0QTrvZNac" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/3E0QTrvZNac</a>

That's a great lecture, with a really powerful message: We must speak Truth unto Power.

If the corruption of evidence Prof Scraton describes isn't Misconduct in Public Office, I don't know what is. And their deliberate smears and inventions of responsibility sounds like a clear attempt to Pervert the Course of Justice. I look forward to seeing those who perpetrated this disgrace answering these charges in the very courts they deceived for so long.
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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2016, 08:16:30 PM »
Phil Scraton - Legend.

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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2016, 10:19:56 PM »
Thanks for that Paul , your father is indeed a true Liverpool legend.
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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #30 on: May 1, 2016, 02:22:39 PM »
Watched this last night and Phil is brilliant in it. 

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« Reply #31 on: May 1, 2016, 04:08:15 PM »
I also had the privilege to meet Prof. Scraton a couple of years ago after the 25th memorial service. A true gentleman and Liverpool hero. I have the uttermost respect for him and what he have done to help in the fight for justice.
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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #32 on: May 1, 2016, 04:46:31 PM »
Sincere thanks for posting that Paul, it's satisfying to know how close your family is. Tell your Dad I love him.

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« Reply #33 on: May 1, 2016, 04:50:49 PM »
Watched this last night and Phil is brilliant in it. 

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I watched this up to about the 35 or so minute mark, will attempt to watch the rest later; but the warning at the beginning of the video should be taken very seriously.
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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #34 on: May 1, 2016, 05:34:28 PM »
Thanks for writing that Paul, it's beautifully put.




I earlier came across this video of a great lecture given by Phil from a couple of years ago on researching Hillsborough.  Well worth a watch

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/3E0QTrvZNac" target="_blank" class="new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/3E0QTrvZNac</a>


Powerful stuff a must watch and share where you can.

Cheers for posting

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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #35 on: May 1, 2016, 08:06:30 PM »
Thanks to Phil Scraton and countless others, people know that I and countless others never killed our fellow supporters. We will be forever in his and their debt.
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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #36 on: May 2, 2016, 03:55:38 PM »
Thanks Paul, for such a moving piece and to all who have written very supportive comments. I can't tell you how much it means to me.

Regarding Dan Gordon's film on youtube it is fifteen minutes short because of adverts in the USA so it' not the complete film ... what is shown in FACT on Saturday id the full film with a new ending filmed only last week.

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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #37 on: May 2, 2016, 06:52:05 PM »
What a wonderful tribute from a loving son to his heroic dad. Thanks for sharing, Paul. Very moving and heartfelt
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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #38 on: May 3, 2016, 10:29:31 AM »
What an utterly remarkable family. Very humbling.


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Re: A message from Paul Scraton
« Reply #39 on: May 3, 2016, 12:02:10 PM »
What an incredible man, There from day 1 for the families. His books were not just a education of Hillsborough, they were a education of just what's wrong with our society, our media our establishment and our justice system. you read his books and you know what went wrong that day and you know who was responsible.
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