Author Topic: The 4312/442 diamond  (Read 4680 times)

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Re: The 4312/442 diamond
« Reply #40 on: October 16, 2013, 11:33:47 pm »
But we DO have 3 midfielders. That's the beauty of the 3-4-1-2. You still have the same midfield triangle as in a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. The only thing you lack is a second layer of width and the possibility of overlapping runs. But in terms of midfield control, you have the same as you do in a midfield three. Our only problem has been that Moses has been playing the "1" position like a forward rather than a mid. This will change with Coutinho, who should give a better balance of depth to the central midfield, meaning we can build attacks more patiently. But the assertion that we have been playing defensive counter-attack with the back three is incorrect, as the numbers show. We were more defensive before the back three, than with it, and we conceded more possession with the back four than the back three.

I'm not sure i'm understanding your argument over the last few posts. In the context of this thread we are talking about a 4-3-1-2 not 4-2-3-1 and in that case the extra player isn't adding a second layer of width but rather acting as a 4th midfielder. So the argument for greater control in midfield should (in theory) still stand right? There should be a numerical advantage of 4 vs 3 when compared to a 3-4-1-2.  Yes in reality the two formation are very similar, a back three with a CB pushing into midfield vs a DM dropping between the CB's for all intent and purposes creates the same shape. But then it's the person not the formation that makes the difference. Skrtel as a 3rd CB vs Lucas as a DM are two different beasts. Lucas in theory giving us greater control in the midfield while Skrtel should make us more resilient in defence. For a whole host of reasons it might not play out that way but broadly speaking isn't that what bas5times is saying and you arguing against.
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Re: The 4312/442 diamond
« Reply #41 on: October 16, 2013, 11:49:05 pm »
I think PoP is assuming that Skrtel will not feature regularly as the CCB in a 3412, but Sakho or Agger or even Toure will.
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Re: The 4312/442 diamond
« Reply #42 on: October 17, 2013, 12:17:04 am »
I think PoP is assuming that Skrtel will not feature regularly as the CCB in a 3412, but Sakho or Agger or even Toure will.

Same still applies though the difference is just less obvious.
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