Topic: Jose Manuel Reina

[tyrolean_red]

Well, I thought we would have reached the point a while ago, but f*ck me, it's absolutely going ridicolous now!! The whole Suarez Saga was a joke but it it's absolutely going bollocks.

I said it some time ago and i still stand by it: Racism is a big issue and shouldn't be laughed off. But for f*cks sake, some people need to grow some balls. I mean, at some point people should stand above some kind of abuse. And the video...WHAT THE F*CK  where is the racism??

[Stussy]

Aye. Also not surprising that this comes up a few days before we have a big game against a rival for a CL spot. Always seems to the way.

Its opportunistic identity-politics hustlers getting publicity from lazy, sensationalism prone rapacious newspapers hungry for internet content and traffic, not a conspiracy because we're playing Arsenal.

[Juan Loco]

So what do you suggest should be done?

Not for me to decide that mate. I'd tactlessly wade in with suggestions that the active black community seems to have a bit of a problem with homophobia, or certainly this lad, and that he's setting back any campaign to kick homophobia out of football back (like Manchester United).

I might also be tempted to suggest that he has a bit of a victim syndrome if he was really so deeply offended by that advert (and seemingly everything else), and that maybe it's he who doesn't feel equal, rather than the world not treating him equal.

This is why I don't have a public relations role Stussy. I'm sure Liverpool Football Club could find and hire someone with relative experience and quality in such a role though.

[R.A.La]

That Gillingham players case (if proven) is actual racism, what the anti racism laws were designed to stop.
Anyone heard much about it? As yet no comment from Taylor, Powar and the like.
Perhaps if someone called him a black c*nt they'd be more interested. Not much chance of getting your grid all over SSN with a Gillingham player though.

[Stussy]

Not for me to decide that mate. I'd tactlessly wade in with suggestions that the active black community seems to have a bit of a problem with homophobia, or certainly this lad, and that he's setting back any campaign to kick homophobia out of football back (like Manchester United).

I might also be tempted to suggest that he has a bit of a victim syndrome if he was really so deeply offended by that advert (and seemingly everything else), and that maybe it's he who doesn't feel equal, rather than the world not treating him equal.

This is why I don't have a public relations role Stussy. I'm sure Liverpool Football Club could find and hire someone with relative experience and quality in such a role though.

The club really just needs to step back from this and not get into feuds with identity-politics hustlers for whom any engagement or briefing against will be manna from heaven and be used to amplify things along their lines.

We just need to carry on with what we are doing with our commitments to community, social and equality campaigns and focus on winning on the pitch.

[firing squad]

It's because he's white.

[Seesay]

I don't get it. What are the offended party offended by exactly?

The Guardian's spectacular article went as far as this: "The ad depicts Reina meeting a tribe in a jungle scene with the Liverpool player attracting the attentions of the leader." That's it. That's their only commentary with regards to the advert. I'm lost.

[81a]

Simon Woolley, the OBV director, said: "I'm shocked on so many levels. Firstly, how would the Spanish feel if the English stereotyped Spanish people as backward, stupid, and animalistic homosexuals?

The BBC has apologised for remarks made on the television programme, Top Gear, that caused outrage in Mexico.
Top Gear presenters characterised Mexicans as lazy and feckless.
In a letter to Mexico's ambassador in London, the BBC said it was sorry if it had offended some people, but said jokes based on national stereotyping were part of British national humour.

[please, I have my reasons for it but...]

If this ad is deemed racist then the world has gone fucking mad

[R.A.La]

The BBC has apologised for remarks made on the television programme, Top Gear, that caused outrage in Mexico.
Top Gear presenters characterised Mexicans as lazy and feckless.
In a letter to Mexico's ambassador in London, the BBC said it was sorry if it had offended some people, but said jokes based on national stereotyping were part of British national humour.

The old cultural differences excuse.

[lesknow]

What the exact fuck is wrong with these people?!
Jungles exist.
Tribes exist.
The fact that Pepe's about to have sexual intercourse with a man of colour is the exact opposite of racism. In fact, now that he's a newly promoted tribe member and an honourary man of colour himself, we should start asking questions about why he's been kicking white goalsposts with such panache.

I'm going to go eat a hamburger...the floor's yours.

You absolute jerkoffs.

[Livbes]

My fucking God. I really hate the way this world is sometimes, bellends.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

this probably explains the guardian's patheticness over recent months and how a hatchet man like taylor can become chief footy writer:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/media/8583220/Riches-to-rags-as-Guardian-bleeds-33m-in-a-year.html

[drpepe]

the internet really has given a soapbox to every petty twat  with a chip on their shoulder, hasn't it?

[buzzing]

Just came to see if there was a thread on this...OMFG

Is that what they cal racist. It's clearly a fuckin joke that has nothign to do with being homosexual or of another colour/culture

It's these fuckin no name groups who want to make a name for themsevles

Can't believe the "educated" Gaurdian published this shite. You'd think they'd be able to see the ad themsevles and dismiss the shite

[Solomon Grundy]

Meanwhile in other news.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2107302/Federico-Macheda-Nile-Ranger-Manny-Smith-charged-Twitter-comments.html

Federico Macheda, Nile Ranger and Manny Smith have been charged by the Football Association over alleged homophobic comments on Twitter.

Manchester United striker Macheda, currently on loan at QPR, Newcastle forward Ranger and Walsall's Smith are accused of acting in a way which was 'improper and/or brought the game into disrepute', including 'a reference to a person's or persons' sexual orientation'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-17171389

A black footballer is bringing a claim for race discrimination against a football club.

Mark McCammon, 33, claims he and other black players at Gillingham Football Club were treated differently from white players.

The player said: "I'm hopeful that truth will prevail but I can't comment any further at this stage."

A spokesman for Gillingham said: "The allegations made by Mark McCammon are wholly rejected by the club."

"It would not be appropriate for the club to comment further until the employment tribunal hearing has taken place."

Mr McCammon is bringing a claim for race discrimination and unfair dismissal against his former club and its chairman, Paul Scally.

The Barbados international forward, who is currently with Conference team Braintree Town, signed a three-year contract with League Two club Gillingham in 2008 and was released three seasons later.

The case is expected to be heard at an employment tribunal in Ashford this summer.

McCammon - "Is it coz I is black you released me?"

Gillingham Football Club - "No. It's because your shit Mark".

[Flaccid Bobby Fowler]

But, how is it in anyway racist if reina and the chief end up shagging? It's the exact fucking opposite. If anything it shows what a homophobe that c*nt from ovb or the guardian is. Lazy gutter press sensationalist fukn shite. If this is what there peddlin to sell papers and get hits then fukn let them.

Someone should make a banner of Reina riding the chief with the text "chief Reina takes one for the team"

[Fluke]

I wonder if Macheda, etal will have an 8 match ban? Surely discrimination on Twitter is far worse than on a pitch that not one other person can hear? Or is abuse about sexual orientation more acceptable than racism?

[stevedo]

If this ad is deemed racist then the world has gone fucking mad

[stockdam]

I'm at a loss to understand this. Sadly the race card seems to be played at every opportunity and it detracts from the serious issues. Some people are pathetic.

[macca888]

I'm guessing that the advert for Preparation H featuring Charlie Adam done up like a Black and White Minstrel bumming Jordan Henderson in a burka to a Shabba Ranks soundtrack won't last long.

[Captain Marko Ramius]

If this ad is deemed racist then the world has gone fucking mad

It is almost exactly like an entire section of one of them Pirates of the Caribbean movies. Didn't see anyone kicking up a fuss over that.

This is just pathetic.

An advert on Spanish television, for Spanish customers, made by Spaniards and made in Spanish. And we have English people complaining about how insensitive it is. Stinks of the same shit as Suarezgate, "we are righteous and pious and all other cultures are trailing in our enlightened wake."

The irony of implying those who don't share your moral values are all intrinsically racist...

Simon Wooley can suck my fucking baws!

[FlashingBlade]

I look forward to the Guardian, OBV et all scything attacks on  the BBC/ITV next time they show a repeat of the 'Carry on' Films for their racial and sexual derogatory portrails of sections of society.......but its ok cos thats a joke isnt it?

[FlashingBlade]

Simon Woolley, the OBV director, said: "I'm shocked on so many levels. Firstly, how would the Spanish feel if the English stereotyped Spanish people as backward, stupid, and animalistic homosexuals?


Does anyone know if Manuel ( Fawlty Towers) Englands favourite TV Comedy show ever had animalistic homosexual tendencies?

[macca888]

Most black people I know are offended by gobshites making racial mountains out of non-existent molehills than adverts like this. And Lenny Henry.

[Coolie High]

Most black people I know are offended by gobshites making racial mountains out of non-existent molehills than adverts like this. And Lenny Henry.

Basically, it takes away from the important issues.

[macca888]

Are animalistic homeosexual tendencies wanting to bum a dog in the missionary position or bum a man doggy style?

[rafathegaffa83]

It is almost exactly like an entire section of one of them Pirates of the Caribbean movies. Didn't see anyone kicking up a fuss over that.

And in the same week this occurs, Billy Crystal appears on the Oscars in blackface. Don't hear any calls asking for Crystal to be banned from the Oscars?  Then again I seem to remember there being a great fuss last year over a Cadbury's ad that some groups (erroneously) believed likened Naomi Campbell with a chocolate bar.

[CHOPPER]

Simon Woolley, the OBV director, said: "I'm shocked on so many levels. Firstly, how would the Spanish feel if the English stereotyped Spanish people as backward, stupid, and animalistic homosexuals?


Does anyone know if Manuel ( Fawlty Towers) Englands favourite TV Comedy show ever had animalistic homosexual tendencies?

Well he had a Siberian Hamster.

[B.Red]

Aye. Also not surprising that this comes up a few days before we have a big game against a rival for a CL spot. Always seems to the way.

Somehow I don't think race campaigners in Spain, no matter how shit, are concerned with our race for 4th...

[Chalky Boots]

A wise man once said...

"we are not the custodians of moral values In this world"


...obviously that has fallen on deaf ears.


I've only just read about this, but I saw that advertisement like a week ago and not once did I think it contained any offensive content. From what I've seen now, and over the last six months, these so called anti discrimination groups need to have a long look at how they employ. Quite frankly it appears to me those with a voice in these groups have an inferiority complex towards this subject which only emphasises their paranoia.

[FlashingBlade]

I think implying that being 'animalistc homosexual' is a negative image may cause Mr Woolley to have Pete Tatchell on his case

The advert actually takes the piss out of stupid , backward spanish people as much as anything!

Lets face it the English media will run with this...and it will be lapped up by their stupid and backward audience.....and I dont give a fuck who I offend with that and I aint shaking their fucking hand either!

[rafathegaffa83]

Somehow I don't think race campaigners in Spain, no matter how shit, are concerned with our race for 4th...

The organization who pushed for the ad to be banned are British, not Spanish. Not saying it's conspiratorial at all. Just that there always seems to be some story that tends to pop up whenever we have a big game.

[Alan_X]

Well done OBV. Another group who I should in theory be supporting but like FARE, the PFA, the FA and others who have proved they are more concerned with media posturing than dealing with the insidious and still very real problem of racism.

Hoo fucking ray. You've an ad banned. And ad featuring one of the nicest men in football. A truly decent man who is now tarred with the racism brush.

You utter fucking pricks.

[rafathegaffa83]

Well done OBV. Another group who I should in theory be supporting but like FARE, the PFA, the FA and others who have proved they are more concerned with media posturing than dealing with the insidious and still very real problem of racism.

Well said.

[Captain Marko Ramius]

I hope Groupama tell them to go fuck themselves.

I'd never heard of OBV till now... I'm imagining neither had a lot of people.

Could it be that they have used the adverts, and Liverpool FC's name, for the some publicity? Never! Having missed the bandwagon last time round they want another go. Fuck them.

Having used the 'if Suarez is over in the UK he should abide by our rules' argument there is now a clamour for a Spanish advert to abide by the moral code of the UK now as well.

Why don't we just get Ouseley, Woolley and the great and the good get together and  bash out a memo on how the other 6 billion people can and can't conduct themselves to save any horrible racist foreigners making any more mistakes.

[shelovesyou]

Oh good, now its on the Beeb website.

[FernandoTourettes]

Some hyper over sensitivity now. Seems targeting footballers is the quickest way to gain publicity to a cause these days.

[El Denzel Pepito]

This'll just give more ammunition to the pricks who call us/Kenny/the players racist. They'll obviously miss the point that he was asked to feature in this, innocently, and that he isn't racist.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong in the video at all but I don't know what they say in it.

[FlashingBlade]

What does it say about Reina?.........What does it say about the 30 or 40 black actors depicting the stupid backward animalistic homosexual tribesmen Mr Woolley!!