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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #640 on: December 31, 2011, 01:05:06 am »
Fucking delighted, hopefully that will put an end to the 'struggling to score more than once at home' that has really plagued us this season.

Pardew moaning about the ref giving the foul for the free for the second? Is he fucking serious?Hes lucky he didn't finish with 8 men on the pitch.


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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #641 on: December 31, 2011, 01:06:31 am »
640 odd posts.. 17 pages...
We must have won.

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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #642 on: December 31, 2011, 01:06:43 am »
thought you guys played well, deserved to win for sure, congrats, but im glad we got one, could have had 2 but our wingers are shite at the mo and we just aren't penetrating enough in the final third. bit disappointed, but would rather win the games we should be winning - also am pleased that liverpool stepped up their game to play us, makes me feel like we have greatly improved. hopefully it's a different story at SJP, cough sorry i mean the sports shit arena.

only thing i had about the match was that the commentators drove me mad with their wankfest over you - god i had to turn the damn thing off. talk about one sided sky loving!!! im sure you guys were alright with it, but bloody hell, for a toon fan it was non stop!

Haha, it was shocking tbf, especially the Carrol love-fest!!

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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #643 on: December 31, 2011, 01:08:09 am »
And Neville thinks David Luiz looks like he is controlled by a kid with a playstation controller? Simpson have is clearly one of those cheap twats running straight for the line on any free kick on fifa :P
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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #644 on: December 31, 2011, 01:11:03 am »
Another game goes by and i ask again, what does andy carroll add to our team?

A scapegoat for one.

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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #645 on: December 31, 2011, 01:12:02 am »
I sense a nerd-off.
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Baz wins when it comes to the correlation vs. causation debate, probably the most famous discussion is by David Hume and the problem of induction. Studog could appeal on probabilistic ground, but that still doesn't prove causation.

However, when is comes to the correlation between AC and LFC winning games, that may be the case.

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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #646 on: December 31, 2011, 01:12:34 am »
Finally some value for endeavours from a home game. Not the most fluid we've played at home or anywhere this season but who can complain? Felt a bit for Adam when he was taken off as he responded well to the awful performance against Blackburn but the gulf in quality between him and the lad that took his place is immeasurable. Carroll looked an angry and frustrated man but I've a feeling that it's going to click for him the more game time Stevie gets as you just couldn't buy that quality of distribution these days. As for Skrtel's clearence? being about 20 yards from it that will go down as one of the indelible memories of times past.

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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #647 on: December 31, 2011, 01:14:08 am »
Great win. Unlucky not to have clean sheet

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Carroll and downing really make me cry

Thought he was quality today.

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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #648 on: December 31, 2011, 01:14:31 am »
Taking 6 mins to take each goal kick

He gave his team less time to get back in the game then...

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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #649 on: December 31, 2011, 01:15:26 am »
Great result and well done to the lads for sticking at it.
We looked a bit lost for a few minutes and I did worry but Bellamy was superb, Carroll livened up once Gerrard came on which is encouraging.
And that goal line clearance ? Vital.
 
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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #650 on: December 31, 2011, 01:15:32 am »
what really struck me tonight was when the Gerrard quality cross came over Carroll looked a different player.
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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #651 on: December 31, 2011, 01:16:26 am »
Thought he was quality today.
He was. He was wonderful in the 1st half, disappeared a bit in the second.

Overall I think he put in a good performance.
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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #652 on: December 31, 2011, 01:18:30 am »
Stevie, Suarez and Caroll is gonna be immense. i can feel it. get some quality into the box and andy looks a different player.


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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #653 on: December 31, 2011, 01:20:08 am »
Not really.


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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #654 on: December 31, 2011, 01:25:18 am »
Not really.



ok buzz killington. just so you know, andy is not aguero, messi, ronaldo. he is never going to take on 3 people in the box and curl it into the top corner. what he is going to do is giving managers nightmares when they decide how to set their team out vs us if we have quality out wide. andy thrives off that delivery. if they go wide to stop the crosses then suarez will have more space in the middle. if we want the most out of our number 9 we need to either train people to deliver quality into the box or buy someone who can deliver it.

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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #655 on: December 31, 2011, 01:27:29 am »
A couple takeaways or me. The understanding between Johnson and Downing on the right and Jose and Bellamy on the left was far more effective. When one pushed forward, the other dropped back or moved central. This allowed the central midfielders to push 10-15 yards further up the pitch. On too many occasions, one defender has been able to play Enrique and Downing at once, without compromising the shape of the defense and our midfield has had to sit deeper to cover the counter. Much more balance today, more Red shirts in and around the 18.

Carroll has his flaws, but Gerrard's introduction showed how well he can open up a backline with early, accurate service. He's still learning and needs to improve on his second an third runs. The early service also scattered Newcastles backline and we were able to find more passing lanes once the ball came back to us. Gerrard's decisiveness on the ball, particularly his ability to attack the open space made a world of difference in the attack.


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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #656 on: December 31, 2011, 01:41:18 am »
Gerrard coming back is like a new signing. We've seriously missed a midfielder making those type of runs spreading defences apart, Lucas, Adam, Spearing, Hendo are not getting in the box enough which is just leaving 2 guys at most in the box against 5/6 of their players which just makes it impossible to score, especially with all the byline crosses that we have been doing, which gives the defence time get marked or zonal whichever the team plays.
 Gerrards early crossing tonight gave Carroll the chance to attack 1/2 defenders not in positionand not 4/5 who are, and Carroll shown he can do it. Hopefully Stevie will back for a while now and the rest of the team can learn from him
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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #657 on: December 31, 2011, 01:42:08 am »
Great performance.  skrtel MOTM for me.
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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #658 on: December 31, 2011, 01:42:09 am »
This win will inject some much needed confidence and positivity into the club.

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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #659 on: December 31, 2011, 01:42:59 am »
A good team performance with everyone doing a decent job and it's our worst home performance of the season? Mental.

Our worst home performance relative to our other home games. It's not saying it was a bad performance per se.

I agree with the opinion that we've played a lot better in many games but got away from them with a point and some even none (Stoke and Fulham).

In any case, great with three points to end the year! Bring on City!
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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #660 on: December 31, 2011, 01:45:11 am »
only thing i had about the match was that the commentators drove me mad with their wankfest over you - god i had to turn the damn thing off. talk about one sided sky loving!!! im sure you guys were alright with it, but bloody hell, for a toon fan it was non stop!

There's probably a pecking order but then again did Newcastle do anything impressive (that's not a swipe btw).
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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #661 on: December 31, 2011, 01:48:53 am »
Gerrard showed that Carroll could do with great services (who wouldn't), but seriously, Andy's striker instinct is awful to say the least. I can cite at least 2 instants at the top of my head, and I'm sure I can cite more when I have time to review the game.

1. Downing had ball near midfield, cutting inside. Carroll and his marker were outside the box, in the middle. Bellamy ran inside attacking the box from left side, dragging his marker with him, opening up the whole left field. Downing lobbed the ball to Bellamy. PAUSE. At this point, any striker worth his salt should know Bellamy would lay it off, and dart diagonally to the opening space on the left to receive it. Not our Andy though. He stood there like an idiot and only started running after his marker was 10 yard ahead to shut down that space.

2. Near the end of the game, Enrique was clean through down the left, Carroll was the only other red in Newcastle half. A real predator would attack the MIDDLE of the goal and try to stay ball-side of his markers. Not our Andy. His great idea was to run to the far post and ended up at the distal edge of the 6-yard box. Enrique's cut back of courses got cleared out by Magpies defending the middle of the goal. And then he had the gall to have a go at Enrique.

Can Carroll to taught to play intelligent football? I hope it's possible. Because if the only way he can be effective is pin-point early crosses placed squarely on his head -- he's not going to take us anywhere.

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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #662 on: December 31, 2011, 01:50:36 am »
Great performance.  skrtel MOTM for me.

Ah, somebody agrees with me. His clearance was as good as SG's goal but Skrtel's overall performance was excellent for the full match. He really has come back stronger than ever.
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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #663 on: December 31, 2011, 01:54:19 am »
So, now we're back to one man team? ;)

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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #664 on: December 31, 2011, 01:54:31 am »
what really struck me tonight was when the Gerrard quality cross came over Carroll looked a different player.
He crosses earlier, from a position further away from the corner line. Something he was used to at Newcastle and something we did under Houllier.

More curl on the ball, more whip, more time to put off the defender. Basically, if Carroll can read the cross better than the defender, he'll probably get in front and win the ball.

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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #665 on: December 31, 2011, 02:00:29 am »
Gerrard showed that Carroll could do with great services (who wouldn't), but seriously, Andy's striker instinct is awful to say the least. I can cite at least 2 instants at the top of my head, and I'm sure I can cite more when I have time to review the game.

1. Downing had ball near midfield, cutting inside. Carroll and his marker were outside the box, in the middle. Bellamy ran inside attacking the box from left side, dragging his marker with him, opening up the whole left field. Downing lobbed the ball to Bellamy. PAUSE. At this point, any striker worth his salt should know Bellamy would lay it off, and dart diagonally to the opening space on the left to receive it. Not our Andy though. He stood there like an idiot and only started running after his marker was 10 yard ahead to shut down that space.

2. Near the end of the game, Enrique was clean through down the left, Carroll was the only other red in Newcastle half. A real predator would attack the MIDDLE of the goal and try to stay ball-side of his markers. Not our Andy. His great idea was to run to the far post and ended up at the distal edge of the 6-yard box. Enrique's cut back of courses got cleared out by Magpies defending the middle of the goal. And then he had the gall to have a go at Enrique.

Can Carroll to taught to play intelligent football? I hope it's possible. Because if the only way he can be effective is pin-point early crosses placed squarely on his head -- he's not going to take us anywhere.

I think this is the main issue that is giving Carroll the negative press. He doesn't (yet) know when to run into space for the return ball but I think this will come - but I fear this is instinct and not something that is learned.

As for him coming towards the front post then I agree but he expects the ball to be floated over onto his head instead of attacking the space.

In a way Suarez being out may help his game as he and the rest of the team may start to get to know each other better.

I like the above post that says that we need to get in better crosses for Carroll and this may result in dragging defenders out to stop the crosses - this will open up space for the other quicker forwards like Suarez and Bellamy.
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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #666 on: December 31, 2011, 02:00:30 am »
Gerrard showed that Carroll could do with great services (who wouldn't), but seriously, Andy's striker instinct is awful to say the least. I can cite at least 2 instants at the top of my head, and I'm sure I can cite more when I have time to review the game.

1. Downing had ball near midfield, cutting inside. Carroll and his marker were outside the box, in the middle. Bellamy ran inside attacking the box from left side, dragging his marker with him, opening up the whole left field. Downing lobbed the ball to Bellamy. PAUSE. At this point, any striker worth his salt should know Bellamy would lay it off, and dart diagonally to the opening space on the left to receive it. Not our Andy though. He stood there like an idiot and only started running after his marker was 10 yard ahead to shut down that space.

2. Near the end of the game, Enrique was clean through down the left, Carroll was the only other red in Newcastle half. A real predator would attack the MIDDLE of the goal and try to stay ball-side of his markers. Not our Andy. His great idea was to run to the far post and ended up at the distal edge of the 6-yard box. Enrique's cut back of courses got cleared out by Magpies defending the middle of the goal. And then he had the gall to have a go at Enrique.

Can Carroll to taught to play intelligent football? I hope it's possible. Because if the only way he can be effective is pin-point early crosses placed squarely on his head -- he's not going to take us anywhere.

A footballing brain is something you're gifted with. Personally I don't think you can learn it. Look at Henderson for example. He's thinking about the right passes and using intelligent gameplay. It might not always work well, but you can see he's not just thinking about his pass, he's think about 3/4 others that could come after it. Carroll for me doesn't have this. That's not a swipe at him, as a lot of players don't have a footballing brain to play intelligent football.

My main worry with Carroll, and it happened a few times today, was he was game so deep at times. He's not the most mobile of strikers, so if we get lucky on a counter attack we've no striker in the box, or further upfield. I thought on one or two occassions today if Carroll was further up the field, he might have had a couple of extra shots on target.

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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #667 on: December 31, 2011, 02:03:50 am »
He crosses earlier, from a position further away from the corner line. Something he was used to at Newcastle and something we did under Houllier.

More curl on the ball, more whip, more time to put off the defender. Basically, if Carroll can read the cross better than the defender, he'll probably get in front and win the ball.

And less time for the defenders to get into position and double mark him.
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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #668 on: December 31, 2011, 02:06:43 am »
Based on tonight's performances I'd like to see this line-up against City.

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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #669 on: December 31, 2011, 02:11:12 am »
Stevie, Suarez and Caroll is gonna be immense. i can feel it. get some quality into the box and andy looks a different player.



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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #670 on: December 31, 2011, 02:20:15 am »
Very happy with the result, especially since I was watching the game in a bar full of Newcastle fans and two Tottenham supporting c*nts.

Just wish Andy got on the scoresheet.

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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #671 on: December 31, 2011, 02:25:13 am »
Fantastic cameo from Gerrard. His early balls helped create better chances for Carroll. What a difference quality makes.

Felt Spearing played really well. Tiote a possible January transfer, looked very comfortable on the ball, good short passing, wasteful with anything longer.

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« Reply #672 on: December 31, 2011, 02:26:01 am »
Something that I've been thinking recently and kind of had it confirmed tonight is that when we've played teams this season, particularly at home, we haven't had those "star names" in the team for the opposition to be worried about. We've had Suarez and every defender has done his best against him but the only way they can stop him is to kick the shit out of him but in the midfield, it's been seen as our weakness and I think opposition managers have probably told their teams to have a go at us because going forward from midfield, we have really struggled at times to dominate.

When Gerrard came on, they looked very timid and our superiority grew. It made me think that teams have seen our lineups before games, seen the absences of someone like Gerrard and thought they could have a real go at us, which they have. With Gerrard in the team, they get a bit worried in a similar way that teams do against the Mancs, that they've already got an obstacle to overcome mentally before they even step on the pitch. It's also the same when defenders grew in stature when Torres used to be subbed off and I think with that class player in our midfield, we have that extra mental edge.

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« Reply #673 on: December 31, 2011, 02:38:59 am »
Tell you what Spearing quietly did his job, kept the ball moving and covered the defence brilliantly. There wasn't a major gap between defence and attack and I'd attribute that to Spearing's positional play. Good 3 points from us, City next game, be tempted to start with Stevie.
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« Reply #674 on: December 31, 2011, 02:41:45 am »
Could be but I won't bite. We played well. Carroll included. The stats will show this....
I'd study the regression of carroll's additions vs winning but I'd rather have a bevvy

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« Reply #675 on: December 31, 2011, 02:45:02 am »
Just out of interest, who was wearing the captains armband before Gerrard came on?
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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #676 on: December 31, 2011, 02:51:06 am »
Are all of your 6K+ posts as inane as the ones you are making tonight?

Ouch.  What was your take on the match then?

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« Reply #677 on: December 31, 2011, 02:55:52 am »
Just out of interest, who was wearing the captains armband before Gerrard came on?

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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #678 on: December 31, 2011, 02:59:57 am »
if downing was half a stevie at crosses we would be world beaters.  ;)
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Re: Liverpool 3-1 Newcastle: Full time.....
« Reply #679 on: December 31, 2011, 03:00:23 am »
pretty sure the preceeding pages of this thread admire stevie, bellamy and skirtl and they should cos they were effin immense today!

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