Author Topic: Jordon Ibe (Read 164310 times)

Twitter.com · « **Reply #80 on:** May 14, 2015, 01:45:21 pm »

Ibe 30k/w - 2020, Kane 35k/w - 2020.

Good lads.

Cheers Raheem.

redgriffin73 · « **Reply #81 on:** May 14, 2015, 01:46:06 pm »

Great news.

Anywhichwayicant · « **Reply #82 on:** May 14, 2015, 01:47:15 pm »

Quote from: Bakez0151 on May 14, 2015, 12:26:57 am

Great news.

Like the bit about Sterling too (club would let him run his contract out before selling him to a rival).

What's the point in that though?

Kopenhagen · « **Reply #83 on:** May 14, 2015, 01:56:32 pm »

Quote from: Katie Price on May 14, 2015, 01:47:15 pm

What's the point in that though?

We'd still get a fee, even if we let him run his contract down, I think - arbitration?

Anywhichwayicant · « **Reply #84 on:** May 14, 2015, 02:00:58 pm »

Quote from: Kopenhagen on May 14, 2015, 01:56:32 pm

We'd still get a fee, even if we let him run his contract down, I think - arbitration?

How much would it be though?

I mean, if someone offers 40,000,000 are we going to turn it down, get a few million, and then Sterling joins Chelsea/Man City or whoever anyway?

Chris~ · « **Reply #85 on:** May 14, 2015, 02:03:10 pm »

Quote from: Bonsky on May 14, 2015, 01:45:21 pm

Ibe 30k/w - 2020, Kane 35k/w - 2020.

Good lads.

Cheers Raheem.

So their first big contracts are the same as Sterling's?

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #86 on:** May 14, 2015, 02:05:42 pm »

Quote from: Bonsky on May 14, 2015, 01:45:21 pm

Ibe 30k/w - 2020, Kane 35k/w - 2020.

Good lads.

Cheers Raheem.

In fairness to Sterling (why should we be etc etc) I doubt those two will be earning this rate in 2020 as by then they'll have been offered a new deal or moved on (in Kane's case!).

DeLeiva · « **Reply #87 on:** May 14, 2015, 02:08:57 pm »

Quote from: Katie Price on May 14, 2015, 02:00:58 pm

How much would it be though?

I mean, if someone offers 40,000,000 are we going to turn it down, get a few million, and then Sterling joins Chelsea/Man City or whoever anyway?

By my calculations (rough to say the least) over the next 2 years we'd save £8.8m on his wages if he remains on his
current contract. If you say his current wage is £35K a week vs. an increase to £120K per week.

Twitter.com · « **Reply #88 on:** May 14, 2015, 02:09:55 pm »

Quote from: Chris~ on May 14, 2015, 02:03:10 pm

So their first big contracts are the same as Sterling's?

Don't you see a difference between Kane twating in 30 goals in all comps, winning YPOTY, then signing 35k/w contract and Sterling wanting much more than 100k/w and saying "it's not about the money at all"? I'd perfectly fine for me if he signs 120k/w, he earned it.

If he wants to go then I hope Bayern will come with 40m.

RK7 · « **Reply #89 on:** May 14, 2015, 02:12:18 pm »

Quote from: Katie Price on May 14, 2015, 01:47:15 pm

What's the point in that though?

To set an example, short term loss for a longer gain is a smart move.

Anywhichwayicant · « **Reply #90 on:** May 14, 2015, 02:19:04 pm »

Quote from: RK7 on May 14, 2015, 02:12:18 pm

To set an example, short term loss for a longer gain is a smart move.

It's not smart, at all.

Now, if we were doing our utmost to sign quality players, and actually sending out a message to top players, I could understand it.

But as it stands, it's nothing more than a load of hot air. We're signing players from Southampton and Burnley, yet we want to send a message that we're still big boys?

Get outta here.

Kopenhagen · « **Reply #91 on:** May 14, 2015, 02:19:28 pm »

Quote from: Katie Price on May 14, 2015, 02:00:58 pm

How much would it be though?

Isn't it based on "market value"? I don't really know how it works, but if FSG were to let him run his contract down, I'd suspect a fee from arbitration would be their reasoning. They're obsessed with value and letting Sterling walk for nothing just wouldn't happen, in my opinion. Or they think playing hardball will make him sign a new contract, with a hefty buyout clause, to protect the value of their asset. If indeed FSG are serious about letting him run down his deal, Sterling is going to miss out on a lot of money, and it's likely that he just signs a deal with a buyout clause.

Quote from: Katie Price on May 14, 2015, 02:00:58 pm

I mean, if someone offers 40,000,000 are we going to turn it down, get a few million, and then Sterling joins Chelsea/Man City or whoever anyway?

Based on the Suarez saga, FSG don't want to "sell to a rival" - now, that would depend on how we determine "rivals." When Arsenal wanted Suarez, they were a legitimate rival in the sense that they were competing for what FSG wanted - CL football, top 4 trophy, etc. Would they view City and Chelsea in the same light, two clubs that are almost certain to finish in the CL places every year? Also, Arsenal's offer was a complete pisstake and wasn't representative of Luis's worth, we all know that. If Arsenal, say, bid £75m - the fee Barca paid for Suarez - would it be the same scenario? It's hypothetical and hard to say, but I suspect we would have sold him.

Anyway, FSG kind of have a Lyon model, I think. Based on their contract situation, importance to the team, output, etc., every player on our squad has a value, and anytime someone bids over and above this value, we'll probably sell.

Chris~ · « **Reply #92 on:** May 14, 2015, 02:22:03 pm »

Quote from: Bonsky on May 14, 2015, 02:09:55 pm

Don't you see a difference between Kane twating in 30 goals in all comps, winning YPOTY, then signing 35k/w contract and Sterling wanting much more than 100k/w and saying "it's not about the money at all"? I'd perfectly fine for me if he signs 120k/w, he earned it.

If he wants to go then I hope Bayern will come with 40m.

He singed a contract then got to 30 goals and won YPOTY. He'd signed a contract 6 months before his latest one, wouldn't be surprised if he got another before 2016 if he keeps up his scoring. It'll be the same with Ibe, if he has two years like Sterling he'll be looking at a big increase.

RK7 · « **Reply #93 on:** May 14, 2015, 02:32:55 pm »

Quote from: Katie Price on May 14, 2015, 02:19:04 pm

It's not smart, at all.

Now, if we were doing our utmost to sign quality players, and actually sending out a message to top players, I could understand it.

But as it stands, it's nothing more than a load of hot air. We're signing players from Southampton and Burnley, yet we want to send a message that we're still big boys?

Get outta here.

We're sending a message to any player with us that we won't be held to ransom, not quite sure why you would think it was a message to potential targets.

SpartanTree. No deccies or lights. · « **Reply #94 on:** May 14, 2015, 02:37:40 pm »

Fantastic news !

Really excited about Ibe as a player - huge potential and looks like he could go on to become one helluva player.
Well in.

Anywhichwayicant · « **Reply #95 on:** May 14, 2015, 02:37:50 pm »

Quote from: RK7 on May 14, 2015, 02:32:55 pm

We're sending a message to any player with us that we won't be held to ransom, not quite sure why you would think it was a message to potential targets.

Because why would any top player want to come here, when we're signing players from Southampton and Burnley?

Sterling is in no way obligated to sign a new contract, and when he sees the likes of Gerrard and Suarez being replaced by Dejan Lovren and Danny Ings, there's not a person on the planet than can blame him.

Give players a reason to stay. Give players a reason to join.

Chris~ · « **Reply #96 on:** May 14, 2015, 02:40:57 pm »

Quote from: Katie Price on May 14, 2015, 02:37:50 pm

Because why would any top player want to come here, when we're signing players from Southampton and Burnley?

Sterling is in no way obligated to sign a new contract, and when he sees the likes of Gerrard and Suarez being replaced by Dejan Lovren and Danny Ings, there's not a person on the planet than can blame him.

Give players a reason to stay. Give players a reason to join.

Or Sterling could/should see himself as the replacement for Suarez.

Also not like we're signing players from the likes of PSG, Bayern Munich, Benfica and Sevilla.

Miltonred · « **Reply #97 on:** May 14, 2015, 02:46:58 pm »

Quote from: Paul JH on May 14, 2015, 10:20:42 am

The only way he'll change his mind is if we threaten what we are doing, to leave him to run his contract out at £35k a week. The lad has no sense at all.

I don't think will have any bearing on what Sterling does. The clubs sideswipe at "agents" is probably just to put some doubt in his mind. The agent will be telling him to not sign until after the window closes, see if Liverpool are willing to accept an offer. Of they don't, or there isn't any (which I doubt) he signs up in September earns top money for another season and awaits the big move a la Suarez.

Coolie High · « **Reply #98 on:** May 14, 2015, 02:47:40 pm »

Quote from: Chris~ on May 14, 2015, 02:22:03 pm

He singed a contract then got to 30 goals and won YPOTY. He'd signed a contract 6 months before his latest one, wouldn't be surprised if he got another before 2016 if he keeps up his scoring. It'll be the same with Ibe, if he has two years like Sterling he'll be looking at a big increase.

He signed a contract during his goalscoring form, could have easily asked for double what he got in the end.

But his a youth player and supported them as a youngster(?) so i'm not going to expect the same loyalty with Raheem, even Ibe grew up supporting Liverpool, didn't he?

RK7 · « **Reply #99 on:** May 14, 2015, 02:49:23 pm »

Quote from: Katie Price on May 14, 2015, 02:37:50 pm

Because why would any top player want to come here, when we're signing players from Southampton and Burnley?

Sterling is in no way obligated to sign a new contract, and when he sees the likes of Gerrard and Suarez being replaced by Dejan Lovren and Danny Ings, there's not a person on the planet than can blame him.

Give players a reason to stay. Give players a reason to join.

I'm not certain what your point is to be honest, our transfer policy has been discussed and not many would disagree that is has been terrible.

I didn't imply that Sterling was obliged to sign a new contract, what I am implying is that we do not need to sell him as he is contracted to us.

I thought your point was that you would rather sell and take the money?

macca888 · « **Reply #100 on:** May 14, 2015, 04:38:31 pm »

Quote from: Kopenhagen on May 14, 2015, 02:19:28 pm

Isn't it based on "market value"?

It wouldn't be the couple of million we're talking about with Ings. It would be a hefty market value based on 1st team and international appearances, and similar market rates for similar players in similar positions.

Sell him now for £40 million or get about £30 million or more for him in 2 years time while he's on a low contract?

The club is holding the cards here, no matter what his agent likes to think.

Kopenhagen · « **Reply #101 on:** May 14, 2015, 04:45:39 pm »

Quote from: macca888 on May 14, 2015, 04:38:31 pm

It wouldn't be the couple of million we're talking about with Ings. It would be a hefty market value based on 1st team and international appearances, and similar market rates for similar players in similar positions.

Sell him now for £40 million or get about £30 million or more for him in 2 years time while he's on a low contract?

The club is holding the cards here, no matter what his agent likes to think.

Yeah, that's what I thought. If we let him run down his deal, we'll still get a sizeable fee, and Sterling will be out a lot of cash, as he'll have played for 2.5 seasons on £35k/pw when he could have been on, what, £100k/pw?

I'd imagine he'll realize he's not getting his move this summer, sign what FSG want, and they'll be kind enough to attach a hefty buyout clause. If anyone's seriously interested, they'll point to the figure, as they did with Suarez.

Craig S · « **Reply #102 on:** May 14, 2015, 04:57:08 pm »

Quote from: macca888 on May 14, 2015, 04:38:31 pm

It wouldn't be the couple of million we're talking about with Ings. It would be a hefty market value based on 1st team and international appearances, and similar market rates for similar players in similar positions.

Sell him now for £40 million or get about £30 million or more for him in 2 years time while he's on a low contract?

The club is holding the cards here, no matter what his agent likes to think.

Plus we have saved over £10m on wages for a "£180k a week" player.

kcbworth · « **Reply #103 on:** May 14, 2015, 05:05:22 pm »

Quote from: macca888 on May 14, 2015, 04:38:31 pm

It wouldn't be the couple of million we're talking about with Ings. It would be a hefty market value based on 1st team and international appearances, and similar market rates for similar players in similar positions.

Sell him now for £40 million or get about £30 million or more for him in 2 years time while he's on a low contract?

The club is holding the cards here, no matter what his agent likes to think.

If that is true... well played us

I think even it isn't true, if Sterling is as good as those up in arms that we won't pay him the highest wage we've ever paid anyone right now, then we should get more from him in terms of performance in the next 2 seasons than the value of his transfer fee anyway

exiledintheUSA · « **Reply #104 on:** May 14, 2015, 05:07:48 pm »

Quote from: kcbworth on May 14, 2015, 05:05:22 pm

If that is true... well played us

I think even it isn't true, if Sterling is as good as those up in arms that we won't pay him the highest wage we've ever paid anyone right now, then we should get more from him in terms of performance in the next 2 seasons than the value of his transfer fee anyway

Win, win for the club in many ways. If he does not sign this summer, he'll have to play his heart out next year - still on 30K if he wants a blockbuster move next summer. I'd expect him to put pen to paper in the coming weeks when his agent finally realizes he's been backed into the corner.

JSteve · « **Reply #105 on:** May 14, 2015, 05:21:59 pm »

Quote from: exiledintheUSA on May 14, 2015, 05:07:48 pm

Win, win for the club in many ways. If he does not sign this summer, he'll have to play his heart out next year - still on 30K if he wants a blockbuster move next summer. I'd expect him to put pen to paper in the coming weeks when his agent finally realizes he's been backed into the corner.

All the other players signing new contracts does point him as the odd one out.
And the general fan view has shifted a lot as his form has been shit since he was magnanimous in giving the interview.
He should sign the contract considering the media would have him for breakfast if he flops after a move.

BER · « **Reply #106 on:** May 14, 2015, 05:32:57 pm »

Quote from: Katie Price on May 14, 2015, 01:47:15 pm

What's the point in that though?

Leverage.

diegoLFC7 · « **Reply #107 on:** May 14, 2015, 05:39:37 pm »

I worry about how little we value Sterling. Yes he's seen as greedy for not agreeing to a new contract and allegedly wanting a lot more money than hes worth. But there are a bunch of variables that haven't been put into the equation. Sterling is a great player for Liverpool. He's versatile, quick, and young. He's years away from reaching his prime and already looks decent. Last year we saw what he can do with 2 proper forwards next to him. Onto Ibe. Im glad we got him tied down for 5 years because hes a decent little player. People who compare him to Sterling and say they are virtually the same player are just talking silly. We have 2 great young players who will flourish with some decent forwards.

Redman0151 · « **Reply #108 on:** May 14, 2015, 05:44:04 pm »

Quote from: diegoLFC7 on May 14, 2015, 05:39:37 pm

I worry about how little we value Sterling. Yes he's seen as greedy for not agreeing to a new contract and allegedly wanting a lot more money than hes worth. But there are a bunch of variables that haven't been put into the equation. Sterling is a great player for Liverpool. He's versatile, quick, and young. He's years away from reaching his prime and already looks decent. Last year we saw what he can do with 2 proper forwards next to him. Onto Ibe. Im glad we got him tied down for 5 years because hes a decent little player. People who compare him to Sterling and say they are virtually the same player are just talking silly. We have 2 great young players who will flourish with some decent forwards.

People are just letting their personal feelings on his contract situation get in the way, when Sterling signs the new contract everybody will remember how good he has potential to be

diegoLFC7 · « **Reply #109 on:** May 14, 2015, 05:55:56 pm »

Quote from: Crosby Wych on May 14, 2015, 05:44:04 pm

People are just letting their personal feelings on his contract situation get in the way, when Sterling signs the new contract everybody will remember how good he has potential to be

Exactly. He's slated for not saving our season and everyone forgets hes only 20 years old.

Crimson_Tank · « **Reply #110 on:** May 14, 2015, 06:04:02 pm »

Brilliant news this, Ibe is a real talent* and one for the future.

*yes, I know that sounds like Rodgers cliche, and no, I do not care.

sempi · « **Reply #111 on:** May 14, 2015, 06:05:30 pm »

Quote from: diegoLFC7 on May 14, 2015, 05:55:56 pm

Exactly. He's slated for not saving our season and everyone forgets hes only 20 years old.

He's getting slated for having a shit agent and not showing devotion to the club.

Anywhichwayicant · « **Reply #112 on:** May 14, 2015, 06:23:09 pm »

Quote from: sempi on May 14, 2015, 06:05:30 pm

He's getting slated for having a shit agent and not showing devotion to the club.

You are aware that Gerrard wanted to jump ship AFTER we won a Champions League?

Yet you expect someone with no affiliation to the club to stay with a team that hasn't won anything of note in a decade, and constantly sells our best players.

Imagine you played for Arsenal and you saw Sanchez going out, and Danny Ings coming in.

The reality is, we've always had a least one superstar in the team that players would want to play beside, and that fella is off to LA this summer.

The superstar well has run dry.

The Infamous_LFC · « **Reply #113 on:** May 14, 2015, 06:26:20 pm »

Good lad hope he goes on and earns his position in the team.

Smudgester · « **Reply #114 on:** May 14, 2015, 06:47:26 pm »

This can't be right ... The Daily Fail said only the other day he wasn't renewing and was off to City. And The Fail is never wrong

exiledintheUSA · « **Reply #115 on:** May 14, 2015, 06:50:14 pm »

Quote from: Smudgester on May 14, 2015, 06:47:26 pm

This can't be right ... The Daily Fail said only the other day he wasn't renewing and was off to City. And The Fail is never wrong

Buy-out clause.

diegoLFC7 · « **Reply #116 on:** May 14, 2015, 07:16:42 pm »

Quote from: sempi on May 14, 2015, 06:05:30 pm

He's getting slated for having a shit agent and not showing devotion to the club.

Hes a professional! Take off your lfc shirt and be rational. Hes put in 100% in every game this year and just because he hasnt signed a contract doesnt mean he deserves the stick hes been getting. The lads from london, he didn't grow up in liverpool.

Draex · « **Reply #117 on:** May 14, 2015, 07:23:15 pm »

Quote from: diegoLFC7 on May 14, 2015, 07:16:42 pm

Hes a professional! Take off your lfc shirt and be rational. Hes put in 100% in every game this year and just because he hasnt signed a contract doesnt mean he deserves the stick hes been getting. The lads from london, he didn't grow up in liverpool.

I don't remember, my memory fades.. But where was Sami from?

The Infamous_LFC · « **Reply #118 on:** May 14, 2015, 07:27:13 pm »

Quote from: Draex on May 14, 2015, 07:23:15 pm

I don't remember, my memory fades.. But where was Sami from?

Bootle

The Infamous_LFC · « **Reply #119 on:** May 14, 2015, 07:38:08 pm »

Quote from: Coolie High on May 14, 2015, 02:47:40 pm

He signed a contract during his goalscoring form, could have easily asked for double what he got in the end.

But his a youth player and supported them as a youngster(?) so i'm not going to expect the same loyalty with Raheem, even Ibe grew up supporting Liverpool, didn't he?

Kane supports Arsenal. Raheem supports Man Utd. Teams you support don't mean squat when you are a academy graduate imo.