Topic: Old photos of and around Liverpool

[John C]

Yeah, harry was still there, wasn't that black haired bloke a wool from St Helens or somewhere that hated scousers? or was that a different bloke?
Don't recall a Mr Roberts, but it was 35 yrs ago (fuck I feel old).

He was Mr Jackson I think. Harry had a Morris Minor which Mr J made us strip, overhaul & clean to a state of perfection. Harry use to say "I'll give you guys a few bob when its finished", fucking hell it was running and driving like a primed cougar on acid when we handed it over to him mate and he didn't even say kiss me arse you c*nts.
I've asked an old mate on FB if he remembers any names. He was a hippy at 16 with black hair to his shoulders, at the METC we ribbed him but he said he'll never get his hair cut. Jesus he was right, he's 52 and has the exact same hair but its a shade greyer that the book itself 

[John C]

Yeah, harry was still there, wasn't that black haired bloke a wool from St Helens or somewhere that hated scousers? or was that a different bloke?
Don't recall a Mr Roberts, but it was 35 yrs ago (fuck I feel old).

It's rubble now mate. I Went past yesterday and its been knocked down in to a pile of bricks!

[Brissyred]

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It's rubble now mate. I Went past yesterday and its been knocked down in to a pile of bricks!

What was it used for recently John? I don't  think it was still a training centre when I left for Aus in'96.
Are there any equivalent places around nowadays? As you alluded to earlier it gave a superb grounding in basic engineering skills.

[John C]

http://
What was it used for recently John? I don't  think it was still a training centre when I left for Aus in'96.
Are there any equivalent places around nowadays? As you alluded to earlier it gave a superb grounding in basic engineering skills.

No its been derelict for many years mate. Merseyside Training Council changed their name to North West Training Council a good few years ago. Not sure what facilities they had/have.

[Broad Spectrum]

Goodison Park filled to capacity in 1971 as a CCTV camera records movement of crowds for Liverpool University study.

[Tsar Kastik]

Links to a video re photos of  80s music scene


https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/491950267/revealed-the-photographs-of-francesco-mellina

[kavah]

^ wow. What a cool book. Great clip.
exciting times in town in the late 70s & early 80s

[Six Beardy]

Links to a video re photos of  80s music scene


https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/491950267/revealed-the-photographs-of-francesco-mellina

Ooh that looks great, I'll definitely be buying that. I remember him from Erics, also the Everyman Bistro. One of those photos looks like it was of people waiting to board the Royal Iris, if it was for Elvis Costello then I may be in it. I hope the book has a lot more crowd photos rather than just the usual shots of bands.

Anyway, on to what I came here for.. it's a bit of a long shot but does anyone have a photo of the blue church in Seaforth, mid 70s, St Thomas's ? I've found a couple of references to it online but no photos. I wonder what ever possessed them to paint a traditional brick church like that, at least it was sky blue rather than Everton blue. 

[The Gulleysucker]

I can't find any of it painted blue.

According to here...(where you can buy a model of it and also other buildings around Seaforth!)

As far as can be ascertained, the building was white in colour for most of its life. It was painted blue in 1973, however, this was short-lived as in 1976 the church was closed and later demolished

There's a photo here on Flikr but it's not blue...

[Tsar Kastik]

http://streetsofliverpool.co.uk/

[Red Beret]

Few pubs I remember but never got the chance to visit:

[L8Craig]

Only being 25, I love seeing old pictures of Liverpool. There are alot of buildings aren't standing today which would have been brilliant to see in the flesh

Just looking through the thread I knew this picture had to be in L8

I don't think I've posted this pic before - I know I've meant to a few times - but I've always decided it's a bit too vague/local. But sod it, you never know; I know I don't. All I have is the info in the title of the photo.

[alfonso]

A unique and personal insight into Liverpool in the 1980s





Some more here:
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/nostalgia/pictures-1980s-liverpool-remembered-stunning-7981672

[Red Beret]

I look at those images of Liverpool in the 80s and honestly wonder how the city survived.  It looks more like a carcass than a city.

[jaffod]

I look at those images of Liverpool in the 80s and honestly wonder how the city survived.  It looks more like a carcass than a city.

I was in my late teens/ early 20's when they'd have been taken but looking at them now it's hard to believe they're real, probably at the time it seemed normal to be living in a city that resembled Beirut. Government of the day were talking about the 'managed decline' of the city and there's probably some in power now who feel the same but we're still here, stronger than ever.

[JohnnoWhite]

A unique and personal insight into Liverpool in the 1980s





Some more here:
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/nostalgia/pictures-1980s-liverpool-remembered-stunning-7981672

A lot of these shots could just as easily have been taken in the part of Manchester I grew up in. We called slum clearance terraced houses "bombed" houses - never had a bomb near 'em of course! We used these as playgrounds for climbing in - and for falling off and out of plenty of things too.

The cut (canal) was an endemic feature in many parts of Manchester - in my case it was east north east Manchester (think heading direction Ashton/Hyde) and heavily dependent on chemical works and coal. To think we occasionally went swimming in those stinking cuts! Wonder any of us made it to adulthood.

[jaffod]

A lot of these shots could just as easily have been taken in the part of Manchester I grew up in. We called slum clearance terraced houses "bombed" houses - never had a bomb near 'em of course! We used these as playgrounds for climbing in - and for falling off and out of plenty of things too.

The cut (canal) was an endemic feature in many parts of Manchester - in my case it was east north east Manchester (think heading direction Ashton/Hyde) and heavily dependent on chemical works and coal. To think we occasionally went swimming in those stinking cuts! Wonder any of us made it to adulthood.

I think the effects may have been mental rather than physical johnno.

[alfonso]

Anyone have any idea where the above three shots were taken?

[Spongebob Redpants]

Anyone have any idea where the above three shots were taken?

1st one looks like the old grain warehouse on the Dock Road in Dingle .

The 2nd one looks like the piggeries viewed from the direction of Great Homer Street .

3rd could be the Leeds / Liverpool canal in the Vauxhall area .

[JohnnoWhite]

I think the effects may have been mental rather than physical johnno.

Et quod erat demonstrandum!

[eAyeAddio]

Granby St ??

1964

[The Gulleysucker]

Anyone have any idea where the above three shots were taken?

The first is of Brunswick Dock Grain Silo, viewed from around about here I think...

edit...I was wrong, see Red Boots post below for correct location


The second is a view of the Piggeries from just a little further back from here ...

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ll=53.414253,-2.974486&spn=0.000819,0.728531&cbll=53.414253,-2.974486&layer=c&panoid=xVMtTmwaxXds0foCvCGtPQ&cbp=12,88.81,,0,1.86&t=m&z=11

Note the shops on the left are still there.

Here's another view of the scene taken from the other direction..



That's Shaw Street running across in the front.

The third is of Tate & Lyles during demolition.

It's really difficult to get a precise location for this shot as the area has changed almost totally beyond recognition.

I think it might probably have been taken from this what was once a bridge over the now filled in section of the canal.

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=liverpool&hl=en&ll=53.418171,-2.991575&spn=0.001368,0.00633&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=11.931174,23.312988&hnear=Liverpool,+Merseyside,+United+Kingdom&t=h&layer=c&cbll=53.418171,-2.991574&panoid=lLUnwCeV3-iasT_JJoyWvQ&cbp=11,189.58,,0,0&z=18

Here's an older view to give you an idea.

[alfonso]

^Good work locating those places.
Like a different planet now looking at them.

Pretty sure this fellas site has been posted before, but it looks like it was updated. Anyway, there are hundreds of photos here of the City:

http://inacityliving.blogspot.tw/p/l7-l8.html


And some here - like this one of the monstrosity under construction that sat in from of Lime Street for a few decades:



http://www.peterleeson.co.uk/liverpool/index.php

[only6times]

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=athol+street+liverpool&qpvt=athol+street+liverpool&FORM=IGRE#view=detail&id=3CAFF846853651878B8D4BB9D795B8C105E58032&selectedIndex=4

Used to deliver Barr soft drinks after I left school in 85 and every few months we got an order from the post office in Athol street. We had to get there dead early and the driver turned the engine off and coasted to the shop. As we started to unload the tower block curtains twitched and it was like the opening scene of Raiders of the lost Ark where the jungle natives chase Harrison Ford along the river bank as loads of scalls flew down from the tower block to have us off. Luckily we never got had off.

[only6times]

If you click on the picture it says in the top right hand corner....
Feltwood Rd.

Fancy living in a road that describes waking up as young lad with the horn.

[vicgill]

where is that Vic?

Feltwood Road, Cantril farm before they built that massive estate (Cantril Farm) I lived in Feltwood road 1947 to 1965 when I moved out after getting married

[the 92A]

A lot of these shots could just as easily have been taken in the part of Manchester I grew up in. We called slum clearance terraced houses "bombed" houses - never had a bomb near 'em of course! We used these as playgrounds for climbing in - and for falling off and out of plenty of things

it was the same in Liverpool Johnno, bombsie's were derelict houses or land

[rusty-la]

A lot of these shots could just as easily have been taken in the part of Manchester I grew up in. We called slum clearance terraced houses "bombed" houses - never had a bomb near 'em of course! We used these as playgrounds for climbing in - and for falling off and out of plenty of things too.

The cut (canal) was an endemic feature in many parts of Manchester - in my case it was east north east Manchester (think heading direction Ashton/Hyde) and heavily dependent on chemical works and coal. To think we occasionally went swimming in those stinking cuts! Wonder any of us made it to adulthood.

When I was a teenager my first real 'grown up' job was working on the Clayton Aniline chemical plant up that way.  I guess that would have been around the mid 80's.   It felt like a huge, vast site that employed Thousands. The site was so big we had a van to drive around in.

I recently drove past there, probably for the first time since and was incredulous to see it had disappeared and the land  being prepared  to be a Housing Estate.

[John C]

http://www.liverpoolpicturebook.com/2014/10/liverpool-schools.html

Old school photos website, a superb collection.
Sent to me coincidently a few days after I'd just scanned my pic of our school football team and our school class at Sudley Road.

[redbyrdz]

Maybe fitting in with the 80s theme, on a train going through Hamilton Square yesterday. They've taking all the old brown cladding off and there's the original brickwork behind it, still covered in lots of posters. Couldn't get a picture sadly. Anyone know when they installed the cladding?

[The Gulleysucker]

.....Anyone know when they installed the cladding?

Not sure, there seems to be little info around but it's probable it was done sometime in the 70's...

In the 1970s, as part of the expansion programme of the Merseyrail network,......... As part of this project, Hamilton Square gained a new platform (Platform 3) for New Brighton and West Kirby services, and the rest of the station was refurbished.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birkenhead_Hamilton_Square_railway_station

[RedBootsTommySmith]

Anyone have any idea where the above three shots were taken?

First one is Hill Street/ Beaufort Street. Southern hospital used to be further down on the right.

Now:
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3917265,-2.9761793,3a,75y,237.29h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s3Vo9pTyS2J-6NGg281vE3A!2e0


Second the piggeries, William Henry Street, in Everton.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4153395,-2.9694461,3a,75y,258.73h,72.84t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sMF8T-N8dieElrHi6cHejXA!2e0


Interesting article on the conditions and lawsuits that blamed 'Hooligans & Vandals' for their condition.  Typical, hey, no mention the gerry building. They were unfit for habitation from the get go, like so much council housing from that era.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_City_Council_v_Irwin

Third is Tate & Lyles/ Leeds Liverpool Canal, Vauxhall.

From what I can tell, Tates Liverpool demise resulted from us joining the EU, which forced the UK to stop importing cane from 'the commonwealth' in favor or Euro-grown sugar beet.  No need for a facility close to a western seaport, then, hey?

[The Gulleysucker]

First one is Hill Street/ Beaufort Street. Southern hospital used to be further down on the right.

Now:
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3917265,-2.9761793,3a,75y,237.29h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s3Vo9pTyS2J-6NGg281vE3A!2e0

Spot on. I didn't locate it correctly above so I've amended my post up above to point at yours.

[alfonso]

Everton before and after (click on the photos to get a closer look):
Everton Aerial View c.1970 – Liverpool’s Heyworth Street area before major clearance was complete. The 1966 Housing plan saw Liverpool demolish 70% of its inner city housing and move 160,000 residents beyond the boundaries to new towns and estates. 


Everton Park when newly laid out, c.1990: The park was created on the cleared site of largely failed tower blocks and 60s/70s estates. 


Wiped Off the Map – The city that tore out its own heart. Everton streetmap, c.1960.  In the clearances, the high streets (in yellow) were converted to highways, and almost every side street obliterated, with thousands of houses replaced by 25 towers and maisonettes. The experiment was catastrophic.  The new 1960s & 70s estates were all but abandoned within a decade, and most were demolished and grassed over in the late 1980s to create Everton park.



http://www.sharethecity.org/urban-parks-and-landscapes/everton-park-liverpools-parc-guell-memorial-to-a-metropolis/

[gazzam1963]

Lots of the housing probably was of a sub standard but god they got it so wrong and what a waste of resources over what a 15 year period . A few other threads on here but the  militant council got it so right on the housing issue , garden front and back ,  communities kept together were possible in the same area and houses that were built to a good specification and thirty years later are worth probably triple what they cost to build . That's what investing for the future should be about

[SamAteTheRedAcid]

Lots of the housing probably was of a sub standard but god they got it so wrong and what a waste of resources over what a 15 year period . A few other threads on here but the  militant council got it so right on the housing issue , garden front and back ,  communities kept together were possible in the same area and houses that were built to a good specification and thirty years later are worth probably triple what they cost to build . That's what investing for the future should be about

I live in a militant (former) council house, I have to agree - it may not quite be big enough for a family any bigger than ours but having a garden front and back is great and there's a little space of grass round the corner as well. You can tell it's a militant house by the street names, associated with the Sandinista movement...built just post '83 I think...

Sandino
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_C%C3%A9sar_Sandino
and Corinto
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corinto,_Nicaragua

[Tsar Kastik]

I don't remember peering out through a boarded-up window, but the other 2 photos I can well relate to - although seeing as though there were only 5 in our house we couldn't manage the half doz in a bed,



http://streetsofliverpool.co.uk/

[The Gulleysucker]

Incredibly poignant pictures Tsar, sadly probably repeatable these days in several locations of poverty and deprivation around the country.

I'd forgotten about Fyfe Robertson, mentioned as having accompanied Thruston Hopkins on that photo expedition.

Robertson was a good man, sometimes featuring on TV in the old Tonight programme and later 24 Hours. If I remember rightly, he was in a similar vein as the superb and sorely missed James Cameron for his biting critiques of social injustice and poverty.

It is also interesting (but also highly damning of them) that the then City Council put pressure on those photo's not to be published in Picture Post.

I do remember a similar series of photo's in the old Sunday Times Colour Supplement back in the very early 70's that showed similar but slightly more contemporary scenes from Liverpool.

One photo that really sticks in my mind is of some poor old fellow living alone and almost destitute in a run down block in town, and he was reckoned to be probably the last survivor of (I think it was..) the Lusitania sinking. It was just so depressing, it could make you weep, but after all these years, we now seem to be going back to that same situation again.

[Tsar Kastik]

My memory is shocking Gulley, but even I can picture auld Fyfe and aye he was a good lad. Just checking up on his Desert Island Discs choices: All bar one was a classical piece - the exception was 'Come Together' by the Beatles. Crazy those North Britons.

He never looked anything less than 60 odd to me, so I'm surprised to find out he was Hopkins father in law!

[gazzam1963]

I don't remember peering out through a boarded-up window, but the other 2 photos I can well relate to - although seeing as though there were only 5 in our house we couldn't manage the half doz in a bed,



http://streetsofliverpool.co.uk/

The difference in Mathew street in the pic to today , flanagans bar now with michael showers rolls Royce parked up ! Not many rollers in Liverpool in them days