Author Topic: RAWK All Time Test Cricket Draft Discussion Thread (Read 31989 times)

NICHOLLS · « **Reply #80 on:** November 17, 2016, 09:46:35 am »

Gerry Attrick - Sachin Tendulkar,

Kovai Red - Kumar Sangakkara,

Klippity klopp - Shane Warne,

Gerrvindh - Adam Gilchrist,

Red85 - Brian Lara,

Hazell - Viv Richards

Cock and Bollocks Nicolas - Muttiah Muralitharan,

BeautifulGame91 - Gary Sobers,

Vishwa Atma - Virender Sehwag,

chalky52 - Jacques Kallis,

NICHOLLS1986 - Wasim Akram,

Ivan the Over Compensating - Imran Khan,

Fiasco - Ricky Ponting,

Samie - Malcolm Marshall,

Jsteve - Glenn McGrath, Rahul Dravid,

Elzar - MS Dhoni, Anil Kumble,

NICHOLLS · « **Reply #81 on:** November 17, 2016, 11:38:11 am »

Is Fiasco up?

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #82 on:** November 17, 2016, 11:58:02 am »

Three hours since the last pick, do we need to move it on a bit.

Slow over rate!

NICHOLLS · « **Reply #83 on:** November 17, 2016, 12:05:52 pm »

Emailed Ivan the Over Compensating, Fiasco and Samie.

I'll pick before 1pm...

NICHOLLS · « **Reply #84 on:** November 17, 2016, 12:43:17 pm »

Will pick now

Gerry Attrick - Sachin Tendulkar,

Kovai Red - Kumar Sangakkara,

Klippity klopp - Shane Warne,

Gerrvindh - Adam Gilchrist,

Red85 - Brian Lara,

Hazell - Viv Richards

Cock and Bollocks Nicolas - Muttiah Muralitharan,

BeautifulGame91 - Gary Sobers,

Vishwa Atma - Virender Sehwag,

chalky52 - Jacques Kallis,

NICHOLLS1986 - Wasim Akram, Sunil Gavaskar

Ivan the Over Compensating - Imran Khan,

Fiasco - Ricky Ponting,

Samie - Malcolm Marshall,

Jsteve - Glenn McGrath, Rahul Dravid,

Elzar - MS Dhoni, Anil Kumble,

chalky52 · « **Reply #85 on:** November 17, 2016, 01:06:11 pm »

Quote from: Vishwa Atma on November 16, 2016, 05:25:04 pm

Thought the same too but really wanted Sehwag for my team and didnt want to lose him...

Your pick mate still can't PM

NICHOLLS · « **Reply #86 on:** November 17, 2016, 01:18:09 pm »

Richards already picked.

Hazell · « **Reply #87 on:** November 17, 2016, 01:19:04 pm »

Sir Isaac Vivian Alexander Richards has a girl's name.

Max_powers · « **Reply #88 on:** November 17, 2016, 01:21:40 pm »

Quote from: NICHOLLS1986 on November 17, 2016, 01:18:09 pm

Richards already picked.

Sorry, Changed it. Happy to have two of the greatest all-rounders of all time in my team. Might end up having 8 batsmen and 5 top class bowlers at this rate.

Samie · « **Reply #89 on:** November 17, 2016, 01:24:19 pm »

Seems like I'm working my way up.

NICHOLLS · « **Reply #90 on:** November 17, 2016, 01:31:57 pm »

Gerry Attrick - Sachin Tendulkar,

Kovai Red - Kumar Sangakkara,

Klippity klopp - Shane Warne,

Gerrvindh - Adam Gilchrist,

Red85 - Brian Lara,

Hazell - Viv Richards

Cock and Bollocks Nicolas - Muttiah Muralitharan,

BeautifulGame91 - Gary Sobers,

Vishwa Atma - Virender Sehwag,

chalky52 - Jacques Kallis, AB De Villiers,

NICHOLLS1986 - Wasim Akram, Sunil Gavaskar,

Ivan the Over Compensating - Imran Khan, Kapil Dev

Fiasco - Ricky Ponting,

Samie - Malcolm Marshall, Dennis Lillee

Jsteve - Glenn McGrath, Rahul Dravid,

Elzar - MS Dhoni, Anil Kumble,

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #91 on:** November 17, 2016, 02:18:03 pm »

One pick away from getting Curtley. Bastardo!

Elzar · « **Reply #92 on:** November 17, 2016, 02:41:21 pm »

Didn't see the "4 max from a nation" rule. Only 2 Indians left

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #93 on:** November 17, 2016, 02:43:57 pm »

Never sure how current players are judged against the legends but Steyn's average and especially strike rate compare favourably with the very best.

Yes, he may look like a Fraggle but he's a damn fine bowler.

Fiasco · « **Reply #94 on:** November 17, 2016, 02:47:36 pm »

Quote from: Elzar on November 17, 2016, 02:41:21 pm

Didn't see the "4 max from a nation" rule. Only 2 Indians left

Yeah, although 4 is quite a lot. Maybe it should have been 3 to make it tougher. I'm gonna go around each nation and select one great player and then there shouldn't be any more than 4 from one nation in the last couple of picks.

BeautifulGame91 · « **Reply #95 on:** November 17, 2016, 03:01:37 pm »

Quote from: vagabond on November 16, 2016, 04:58:59 pm

Since when has Sehwag been an all-time A-lister?

He is arguably the greatest player of spin in atleast modern era .And has great record in most places with insane SR.

Of course he is an all time great.

Gerry Attrick · « **Reply #96 on:** November 17, 2016, 03:03:21 pm »

Quote from: Cock and Bollocks Nicolas on November 17, 2016, 02:43:57 pm

Never sure how current players are judged against the legends but Steyn's average and especially strike rate compare favourably with the very best.

Yes, he may look like a Fraggle but he's a damn fine bowler.

I was going to pick him, absolutely one of the all-time greats.

BeautifulGame91 · « **Reply #97 on:** November 17, 2016, 03:24:14 pm »

Quote from: Cock and Bollocks Nicolas on November 17, 2016, 02:43:57 pm

Never sure how current players are judged against the legends but Steyn's average and especially strike rate compare favourably with the very best.

Yes, he may look like a Fraggle but he's a damn fine bowler.

Steyn is insanely underrated .

He played in the most batsmen friendliest era and still has the records as good as most ATG great fast bowlers.

I have never seen any fast bowler dominate Indian batsmen in our flat wickets like Steyn did at times .Pretty sure he did the same to Aussies in Australia as well.Arguably the two best batting line ups (at home) and flattest conditions as well during his period.

He easily belongs among the top echelon

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #98 on:** November 17, 2016, 03:24:37 pm »

Quote from: Gerry Attrick on November 17, 2016, 03:03:21 pm

I was going to pick him, absolutely one of the all-time greats.

Good man Gerald.

Edit - you too Bee Gee!

Chakan · « **Reply #99 on:** November 17, 2016, 03:25:20 pm »

Anyone questioning Steyn doesn't belong in a cricket draft.

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #100 on:** November 17, 2016, 03:31:11 pm »

Look forward to being offered a nice leather jacket in return for losing when I come up against Hazell's team.

Buck Pete · « **Reply #101 on:** November 17, 2016, 03:38:46 pm »

Quote from: chalky52 on November 17, 2016, 07:54:33 am

Would rate Kallis ahead of the 80's all rounders personally only debate is with the Pakistani one.

Spot on Chalky lad. That's what I'm talking about.

The Pakistani one went 2 picks later.

Chakan · « **Reply #102 on:** November 17, 2016, 03:39:49 pm »

I thought we were kidding about McMillian?

Least I was...

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #103 on:** November 17, 2016, 03:41:39 pm »

Quote from: Chakan on November 17, 2016, 03:39:49 pm

I thought we were kidding about McMillian?

Least I was...

Me too!

The 80s seems the benchmark for the great all rounders.

Buck Pete · « **Reply #104 on:** November 17, 2016, 03:43:09 pm »

Quote from: Chakan on November 17, 2016, 03:39:49 pm

I thought we were kidding about McMillian?

Least I was...

I did wonder... although he was a brilliant all-rounder so the shout wasn't entirely unbelievable!

Don't think we were kidding about Derek Pringle though.

Chakan · « **Reply #105 on:** November 17, 2016, 03:46:58 pm »

Quote from: Buck Pete on November 17, 2016, 03:43:09 pm

I did wonder... although he was a brilliant all-rounder so the shout wasn't entirely unbelievable!

Don't think we were kidding about Derek Pringle though.

Oh yeah was definitely kidding. Kallis is the greatest all around for me. It's close between Sobers and him but personal preference is Kallis.

Kovai Red · « **Reply #106 on:** November 17, 2016, 04:23:34 pm »

Quote from: Chakan on November 17, 2016, 03:46:58 pm

Oh yeah was definitely kidding. Kallis is the greatest all around for me. It's close between Sobers and him but personal preference is Kallis.

Absolutely.

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #107 on:** November 17, 2016, 04:23:56 pm »

Quote from: Chakan on November 17, 2016, 03:46:58 pm

Oh yeah was definitely kidding. Kallis is the greatest all around for me. It's close between Sobers and him but personal preference is Kallis.

Different types of all rounders out there. Kallis was a genuinely world class batsman who was also a very decent bowler which gave the Saffers such balance. In terms of those classic all rounders from the 80s who all batted a little further down the order but all did more bowling than Kallis then I agree that Imran was the pick.

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #108 on:** November 17, 2016, 04:42:14 pm »

Just looked into it some more as I'm a stats nerd! Always remember someone saying that an all rounder is someone who's batting average is higher than their bowling average.

Kallis and Sobers lead the way here, Sobers batting average is 23.75 higher than his bowling, and Kallis's 22.72. Both helped by averaging over 55 with the bat.

Next highest I could find was Imran with a difference of 14.88. There's an Aussie from the Sobers era who can almost match that.

Impressively there's someone playing Test cricket today (literally) with a batting average 9 higher than his bowling average.

God bless cricinfo!

Klippity Klopp · « **Reply #109 on:** November 17, 2016, 05:33:56 pm »

I can now PM.

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #110 on:** November 17, 2016, 05:48:35 pm »

Garner and Donald were the next two fast bowlers on my list. Great minds and all that.

Kovai Red · « **Reply #111 on:** November 17, 2016, 06:08:07 pm »

Quote from: Klippity Klopp on November 17, 2016, 05:33:56 pm

I can now PM.

Your go now mate

Hazell · « **Reply #112 on:** November 17, 2016, 06:09:30 pm »

Quote from: Hazell on November 16, 2016, 04:48:39 pm

How many players on a cricket team lads? 11 or 15?

Anyone?

Chakan · « **Reply #113 on:** November 17, 2016, 06:09:54 pm »

Quote from: Hazell on November 17, 2016, 06:09:30 pm

Anyone?

11

BeautifulGame91 · « **Reply #114 on:** November 17, 2016, 06:34:33 pm »

Quote from: Cock and Bollocks Nicolas on November 17, 2016, 04:42:14 pm

Just looked into it some more as I'm a stats nerd! Always remember someone saying that an all rounder is someone who's batting average is higher than their bowling average.

Kallis and Sobers lead the way here, Sobers batting average is 23.75 higher than his bowling, and Kallis's 22.72. Both helped by averaging over 55 with the bat.

Next highest I could find was Imran with a difference of 14.88. There's an Aussie from the Sobers era who can almost match that.

Impressively there's someone playing Test cricket today (literally) with a batting average 9 higher than his bowling average.

God bless cricinfo!

As a stats lover if u study Imran's stats , one half of his career he was an average batsman but world class bowler but in the A cond half of his career he was a good bat but average bowler .I am not sure there is another all rounder who has such disparity within their career span.

Fiasco · « **Reply #115 on:** November 17, 2016, 06:36:17 pm »

I'm thinking about a risky early pick to get a competent wicketkeeper. Can't see him being picked up very early though (if at all) so I might just let it ride.

Hazell · « **Reply #116 on:** November 17, 2016, 06:52:44 pm »

Quote from: Chakan on November 17, 2016, 06:09:54 pm

11

Thank you

NICHOLLS · « **Reply #117 on:** November 17, 2016, 08:19:08 pm »

Quote from: NICHOLLS1986 on November 17, 2016, 01:31:57 pm

Gerry Attrick - Sachin Tendulkar,

Kovai Red - Kumar Sangakkara,

Klippity klopp - Shane Warne,

Gerrvindh - Adam Gilchrist,

Red85 - Brian Lara,

Hazell - Viv Richards

Cock and Bollocks Nicolas - Muttiah Muralitharan,

BeautifulGame91 - Gary Sobers,

Vishwa Atma - Virender Sehwag,

chalky52 - Jacques Kallis, AB De Villiers,

NICHOLLS1986 - Wasim Akram, Sunil Gavaskar,

Ivan the Over Compensating - Imran Khan, Kapil Dev

Fiasco - Ricky Ponting,

Samie - Malcolm Marshall, Dennis Lillee

Jsteve - Glenn McGrath, Rahul Dravid,

Elzar - MS Dhoni, Anil Kumble,

Vishwa has Botham..

Need to update this for everyone

Crosby Nick · « **Reply #118 on:** November 17, 2016, 08:21:26 pm »

I think Hazell's had the odd dooby.

Klippity Klopp · « **Reply #119 on:** November 17, 2016, 08:31:10 pm »

Quote from: Cock and Bollocks Nicolas on November 17, 2016, 08:21:26 pm

I think Hazell's had the odd dooby.

Beefy will happily say "that's what I think of your selection policy, yes I've hit the odd copper, yes I've enjoyed the old dooby, but will you piss off and leave me alone, I'm walking to John O'Groats."