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Rodgers the man of the moment
« on: September 24, 2012, 09:24:22 pm »
In the week building up to Liverpool vs. Manchester United, all attention focused on the supporters in the stands; after the full time whistle, the scrutiny was reserved for the referee. In the midst of balloons, mosaics, red cards and penalties, a football match took place.

Rodgers will have seen a lot of things to please him at Anfield on Sunday: the performances of many of his key men, none more impressive than the captain, Steven Gerrard; the continued development of Raheem Sterling, with Suso now joining him on the world's watchlist; the strong mentality shown when reduced to 10 men coupled with an intelligent tactical display.

There will be solace for Rodgers over the manner of their 2-1 defeat to Manchester United, so too from the Kop's response after Robin van Persie's converted penalty. His name reverberated around Anfield and his pride was evident, even with the contortion of disgust and frustration on his face at what had unfolded.

All of which felt like an epochal moment for both Rodgers and the Liverpool support. At last, his name was sung en masse; at last, acceptance of his vision and defiance in the face of it not quite working. Even after Jonjo Shelvey's red card, Liverpool kept the ball for long periods, just as they did in their four other league games this season; this time, however, the passes were sharper and penetrative, the ball carrying far better than it has been all season.

Steven Gerrard was central to the improvement, finally measuring up to what Rodgers requires of him as both captain and central hub of the system. Gerrard's own epochal moment came 10 minutes in. Receiving the ball in his own half, he shifted his body to launch an ambitious through ball towards Luis Suarez. It is something we've seen frequently this season, though the ball rarely reaches Suarez. Instead, possession is relinquished and Rodgers' relentless football falls down.

But this time, Gerrard stopped short, his body position changing and brain engaging. Instead of forcing the ball forward, he caressed it with his studs and played a simple pass back to Martin Skrtel. No one in the ground applauded bar one solitary man in a suit stalking the touchline. Brendan Rodgers had finally cracked Steven Gerrard; Steven Gerrard had finally cracked Brendan Rodgers.

Though he did release a few long-range passes -- and how the Kop applauded them -- they were the right ball, almost always at the right time. Seeing his finish just a minute into the second half, low and left-footed, leads to temptation of seeing him tried up front, but to deny football the sight of Steven Gerrard in full flow operating the midfield feels borderline criminal.

Gerrard was amply assisted by others. Glen Johnson continues to look natural at left back and routinely provides one of Liverpool’s most potent attacking weapons; Raheem Sterling excites every time he graces the ball; Joe Allen continues to pass, pass, pass. The introduction of Suso, his first touch as neat as his hair, was another welcoming sight, though not at the expense of Fabio Borini’s health.

On the pitch, the day belonged to Rodgers more than anyone. He reacted to everything the day threw at him.

He spoke magnificently pre-match with Mr. Ferguson regarding the focus on the disgraceful chanting of death from supporters; he acted with dignity as a club and city he's only been a part of for three months grieved and remembered those who have been dead for 23 years.

His in-game management was superb also. The reaction to Shelvey's red card was calmer than the England U-21 midfielder's demeanour towards Ferguson, suffice to say, demanding his side still attacked and retained possession relentlessly; his choice of replacement for the injured Fabio Borini -- Suso -- was also inspired.

That Rodgers managed to dominate Manchester United just five league games into his Anfield tenure speaks volumes of the potential he has as manager. It was a conundrum both Gerard Houllier and Rafael Benitez couldn't crack for years during their time with the Reds.

But despite the long list of positives that adorn the chalkboard, one fact remains engraved over it all, conquering everything else: five games played, two points gained. Liverpool's worst start to a season in over a century continues. There is no panic button to press just yet, but Rodgers knows his side must start winning. Winning can be a habit hard to shake; so is losing. With Norwich at Carrow Road, and then Stoke and Reading at Anfield, Rodgers will expect nine points.

The post-game coverage has been dominated by a minority of supporters' voices being used to harmful effect, but it's something that must cease. A few idiots singing about death, or wishing death on referee Mark Halsey, is irrelevant to yesterday’s true message: that the fight for justice for those who died at Hillsborough will continue.

It isn't even newsworthy in terms of yesterday’s game of football. The only voices that should be listened to and noted are those who sang Brendan Rodgers name. More improvement -- and victories -- in their next three games will ensure that it won't be the last time his name is melodised by the Kop, either.

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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2012, 09:29:37 pm »
Kris . i always enjoy your posts.  Not getting this hype about the manager though. that doesnt mean i wont back him,  just dont see the excitement. Anybody would think he came into a pub side and taught us how to pass a ball.
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2012, 09:30:39 pm »
Spot on , did you see BR give Pepe the one man and his dog whistle when he launched it up the park, pass pass pass was the hand signals, we will be fine and soon the Reds will be marching i remember Arsenal in this position last year look where they ended up
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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2012, 09:32:09 pm »
Spot on , did you see BR give Pepe the one man and his dog whistle when he launched it up the park, pass pass pass was the hand signals, we will be fine and soon the Reds will be marching i remember Arsenal in this position last year look where they ended up
i admireyour optimism but if you honestly believe we will finish even in the top 6 this year , then you my friend (im at pains to say this ) are deluded.
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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2012, 09:32:25 pm »
Feeling ridiculously optimistic considering the scant points amassed.
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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2012, 09:34:59 pm »
I Think we will finish 4th.

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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2012, 09:35:09 pm »
Spot on , did you see BR give Pepe the one man and his dog whistle when he launched it up the park, pass pass pass was the hand signals, we will be fine and soon the Reds will be marching i remember Arsenal in this position last year look where they ended up
Much better than the dark days of Hodgson against Wolves, screaming at Pepe to launch it every time he got the ball.
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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2012, 09:36:20 pm »
i admireyour optimism but if you honestly believe we will finish even in the top 6 this year , then you my friend (im at pains to say this ) are deluded.
just a cautionary thought that all is not lost, no we dont have a RVP to get 20+ goals from here on in but we have played last seasons top 3 in the first 5 games, i predicted in June when the list came out we could be where we find ourselves now but all is not lost
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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2012, 09:36:30 pm »
As the post says there are promising signs but at the same time we need results to improve and fast.

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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2012, 09:40:29 pm »
Good article and pretty much spot on for me, my only question mark against Rodgers is those beads around his neck.  :D
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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2012, 09:41:01 pm »
Spot on , did you see BR give Pepe the one man and his dog whistle when he launched it up the park, pass pass pass was the hand signals, we will be fine and soon the Reds will be marching i remember Arsenal in this position last year look where they ended up

You're forgetting arsenal had RvP.

But i do like rodgers, and do think we are improving, but don't expect anything this season. More hopeful about next season.

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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2012, 09:46:24 pm »
Good read that mate. I have great faith in Rodgers and what he trying to do.
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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2012, 09:57:33 pm »
I enjoyed what i saw on Sunday and it gives me a good feeling even though we lost but i remember having the same feeling after we played City and then we got taught a lesson by an Arsenal side which may challenge this season. We were brought crashing down to earth with the draw against an awful Sunderland. The pressure of winning now to Norwich they brought on themselves, something which they should be well capable of, all we have to do is put the ball in the back of the net.

Players form must now be consistent and not just for the big games.

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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2012, 09:57:34 pm »
Excellent piece of writing. I rarely, if ever, recall Gerrard putting in that kind of display: tactically disciplined without in any way being anonymous. Too often, when he has tried to play within tactical constaints, it has stifled him. But this time it seemed like something has clicked. It wasn't about the long ball or the short ball, it was definitely about the right ball, and his decision making was really good.

Even some of the idiots who attend my local who slated Rafa if we didn't win every game 3-0 can see that Rodgers is taking us somewhere, even if results haven't gone for us yet. If the fans and the squad keep the faith, we could make very good progress this season and be in a fantastic position for the years ahead.

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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2012, 09:58:32 pm »
Kris . i always enjoy your posts.  Not getting this hype about the manager though. that doesnt mean i wont back him,  just dont see the excitement. Anybody would think he came into a pub side and taught us how to pass a ball.

i agree with this, the hype is a little silly.  he's a capable manager, i'm sure, but his main job is to instil some confidence and self-belief into the crowd of mentally fragile bottlers who play for LFC.  if he can do that, he'll reap the rewards.  pass-pass-pass is just a smokescreen really.  we're playing better than earlier this year for sure, but not necessarily better than this time last year.  if he can crack the mentality of the modern footballer (kenny's biggest problem IMO) then we'll do well.
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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2012, 10:01:21 pm »
We'll finish 7th probably, maybe 8th. We better get used to it now otherwise we'll whip ourselves into a fervour and go through the whole manager search rollercoaster ride again.

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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2012, 10:03:52 pm »
i agree with this, the hype is a little silly.  he's a capable manager, i'm sure, but his main job is to instil some confidence and self-belief into the crowd of mentally fragile bottlers who play for LFC.  if he can do that, he'll reap the rewards.  pass-pass-pass is just a smokescreen really.  we're playing better than earlier this year for sure, but not necessarily better than this time last year.  if he can crack the mentality of the modern footballer (kenny's biggest problem IMO) then we'll do well.
smokescreen indeed,  a tad disrespectful at times not just by by BR but others who suddenly think Lfc have only just started to pass the fucking ball in over 120 years of existence.  Madness.   Not citicising Kris' post by the way as alwaya spot on i suppose its down to opinion. But some perspective from the masses wouldny go amiss.

without sounding like a doom monger but for me he has yet to prove he is a capable manager. You need to be more then capable to be LFC manager,   I still have visions of BR inviting Jose wankstain Mourinho to anfield soon as part of his old pals act.  Still fuming that Tom Werner even mentioned this as a plus point when we signed him, so fucking what?
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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2012, 10:05:43 pm »
Spot on as always

The Stevie pass you mentioned stuck out for me to - and that kind of thing often passes me by, you could almost see the gears in his brain ticking over as he declined the long pass.

Singing Rodgers name was (I think) in response to Utd's 'sacked in the morning' (can we please never sing that to anyone)  and it was great to hear us backing him up like that.

I have no idea how to define success in this day and age, but if we let the manager do his thing and the lads in the stands do theirs then I'm sure we will have our fair share of good days.
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« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2012, 10:05:50 pm »
We've played 5 league games.  In 40% of those games (2/5), Brendan has seen a man get sent off; not only that, but sent off during a time when the outcome was still undecided.  Those two red cards cost us at least two points, if not more.  Brendan has seen his side dominate both Manchester sides and come away with only a single point.  Within all of that, the supporters have seen a team in transition.  Week one against West Brom, Agger was sent off.  The rest of the team hung thier heads and quit on the manager and took a hiding.  One month later against one of the best teams in the league, we went to 10 men, but fought our asses off.  A one-eyed supporter could see the difference in attitude over that month.  We have major problems with the squad right now:  depth (with injuries), youth, lack of scorer, etc.  But one of the problems is not the man in the suit on the touchline.

He has said and done all of the right things.  That is not to say he hasnt made some small errors, every man will.  But his attitude toward the club is right.  His attitude toward the players is right.  His attitude toward the supporters is right.  He uses substitutions as tactical weapons (how many times have we asked for this).  He has placed his trust in his players, young and old.  At times they have let him down, but I feel over the course of the season, his trust in this club will be repaid.

I dont know where we will end up in the table at the end of season.  I do know that there are still some areas that need to be addressed, but the man in the Red and White striped tie is not one of them, at least for me.
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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2012, 10:11:35 pm »
We've played 5 league games.  In 40% of those games (2/5), Brendan has seen a man get sent off; not only that, but sent off during a time when the outcome was still undecided.  Those two red cards cost us at least two points, if not more.  Brendan has seen his side dominate both Manchester sides and come away with only a single point.  Within all of that, the supporters have seen a team in transition.  Week one against West Brom, Agger was sent off.  The rest of the team hung thier heads and quit on the manager and took a hiding.  One month later against one of the best teams in the league, we went to 10 men, but fought our asses off.  A one-eyed supporter could see the difference in attitude over that month.  We have major problems with the squad right now:  depth (with injuries), youth, lack of scorer, etc.  But one of the problems is not the man in the suit on the touchline.

He has said and done all of the right things.  That is not to say he hasnt made some small errors, every man will.  But his attitude toward the club is right.  His attitude toward the players is right.  His attitude toward the supporters is right.  He uses substitutions as tactical weapons (how many times have we asked for this).  He has placed his trust in his players, young and old.  At times they have let him down, but I feel over the course of the season, his trust in this club will be repaid.

I dont know where we will end up in the table at the end of season.  I do know that there are still some areas that need to be addressed, but the man in the Red and White striped tie is not one of them, at least for me.

Very well said. And a great OP from L6 Red as always.
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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2012, 10:15:46 pm »
Gerrard's own epochal moment came 10 minutes in. Receiving the ball in his own half, he shifted his body to launch an ambitious through ball towards Luis Suarez. It is something we've seen frequently this season, though the ball rarely reaches Suarez. Instead, possession is relinquished and Rodgers' relentless football falls down.

But this time, Gerrard stopped short, his body position changing and brain engaging. Instead of forcing the ball forward, he caressed it with his studs and played a simple pass back to Martin Skrtel. No one in the ground applauded bar one solitary man in a suit stalking the touchline. Brendan Rodgers had finally cracked Steven Gerrard; Steven Gerrard had finally cracked Brendan Rodgers.

...exactly what I was thinking. ;)

There was a situation around the 10th minute of the game where he wanted to go for a long ball and it kind of looked like he seemed to hear Rodgers voice ringing in his head then.. "posession, posession"... and went for the simple pass. ;)
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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2012, 10:24:53 pm »
I Think we will finish 4th.

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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2012, 10:37:53 pm »
He has the potential to be very special for us....very special indeed.

I'll revert back to a saying that a club legend once (or twice said): 'one game at a time'

If we keep improving the way we have over the past month, I see no reason why we wont have a similar run to the one we had when Kenny first took over and we can really make a push for the top 4

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« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2012, 10:48:54 pm »
He has the potential to be very special for us....very special indeed.

I'll revert back to a saying that a club legend once (or twice said): 'one game at a time'

If we keep improving the way we have over the past month, I see no reason why we wont have a similar run to the one we had when Kenny first took over and we can really make a push for the top 4



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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2012, 10:57:22 pm »
That Rodgers managed to dominate Manchester United just five league games into his Anfield tenure speaks volumes of the potential he has as manager. It was a conundrum both Gerard Houllier and Rafael Benitez couldn't crack for years during their time with the Reds.
Not buying this I'm afraid. Revisionism and comparing apples with oranges....the Mancs were yesterday an almost embarrassingly poorer side than the ones aformentioned managers' sides took apart.
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« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2012, 11:11:01 pm »

Hope your right about Gerrard "cracking Rodgers". Norwich will the ideal game to find out, and the type of game where Gerrard might take a few liberties in and not be as patient with the ball.

Kris . i always enjoy your posts.  Not getting this hype about the manager though. that doesnt mean i wont back him,  just dont see the excitement. Anybody would think he came into a pub side and taught us how to pass a ball.

Really? It's not like that's the only thing you post about or anything.

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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2012, 11:17:31 pm »
Not buying this I'm afraid. Revisionism and comparing apples with oranges....the Mancs were yesterday an almost embarrassingly poorer side than the ones aformentioned managers' sides took apart.

I think it does our players an immense diservice to say "that is the worst United performance here in .....". One of the main things Rodgers wants is for us to control games. Once you take that control away from an opponent, logically, they will look inferior as they struggle to impose themselves in the game.

Whenever a team comes to Anfield and plays poorly, it simply means the things Rodgers wants from us, that he has worked hard for us to achieve, are coming to fruition. This is a much better United than last season with Kagawa and v.Persie added to the mix. That we made them look poor is for me a good measuring stick of how well we have done.

Remember back to how poor Rafa´s Valencia made us seem at Anfield? Are players didn´t simply become shit for those games. Valencia imposed their will upon us and we had nothing to offer to break it. That (or something similar) is what we are aiming for again.
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« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2012, 11:17:48 pm »
if you are wrong, ( i hope you are not, but  i believe you are)  then i will buy you a pint at sam dodds last home game of the season.   i get the feeling you will be buying me one though

I'll buy you one anyway mate because even if we dont get 4th, I honestly believe we wont be far away....nowhere near as far as last year anyway. The future is bright mate....just relax and enjoy our return to glory  ;)
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« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2012, 11:20:33 pm »
Good op and your right but id feel allot more comfy if we get 7 out of the next 9 points available. I don't want to see the the media apply pressure like they can do. We need points and quickly.
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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2012, 11:28:17 pm »
I think it does our players an immense diservice to say "that is the worst United performance here in .....". One of the main things Rodgers wants is for us to control games. Once you take that control away from an opponent, logically, they will look inferior as they struggle to impose themselves in the game.

Whenever a team comes to Anfield and plays poorly, it simply means the things Rodgers wants from us, that he has worked hard for us to achieve, are coming to fruition. This is a much better United than last season with Kagawa and v.Persie added to the mix. That we made them look poor is for me a good measuring stick of how well we have done.

Remember back to how poor Rafa´s Valencia made us seem at Anfield? Are players didn´t simply become shit for those games. Valencia imposed their will upon us and we had nothing to offer to break it. That (or something similar) is what we are aiming for again.
Of course that's a logical argument re. control, and you're not necessarily wrong. But the United side yesterday had no Cantona, no Tevez, no Rooney, no Ronaldo, no Scholes at his peak, etc.

And seriously, if you think we're anywhere even remotely near Rafa's Crushing Machine of 2002-2004, you're deluded. Even Rafa couldn't replicate it at Anfield with any consistency.

Don't get me wrong, he'll have us playing good football and we'll get results. But the sort of Messianic talk that I'm hearing seems incredibly premature and there's nothing yet to show for it.
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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2012, 11:28:38 pm »
Excellent OP. Didn't quite catch that Gerrard light-bulb moment, hope our video geeks can pull out a gif. It is coming together, the table is a lie.
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« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2012, 11:31:20 pm »
Find this whole messiah Rodgers thing bizarre. Can't remember a manager so hyped that even after 2 points in 5 games articles like this are written.

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« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2012, 11:36:32 pm »
Find this whole messiah Rodgers thing bizarre. Can't remember a manager so hyped that even after 2 points in 5 games articles like this are written.

I  find the whole getting annoyed by people showing faith in the manager a bit pathetic. Almost like some are hoping him to fail just so later on they can rub said peoples faces in it.

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« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2012, 11:38:30 pm »
Find this whole messiah Rodgers thing bizarre. Can't remember a manager so hyped that even after 2 points in 5 games articles like this are written.

People are quite rightly focusing on performance and putting in place a philosophy rather than results this earlier into his time as our manager.
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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2012, 11:47:59 pm »
I think some people will always find a way to stick into Rodgers simply because he's no Rafa Benitez or Kenny Dalglish. Give the man some time, it isn't his fault FSG sacked Kenny or didn't approach Rafa and he's unlucky we had tough starting fixtures with him trying to implement a new system.

The performance is improving a lot from the past season, we're seeing a proper game plan being implemented, we are not afraid to take it to other teams and we impose our style on the oppositions, what is needed is better finishing in front of goal and I am sure Rodgers will look into this problem.

The manager isn't afraid to take a risk by introducing the youngsters, something we hadn't seen from a Liverpool manager in a while. Yesterday, he could have taken the safe option and introduced Assaidi, Sahin or Henderson instead he put out 18 year old Suso and it almost paid off. Leaving Downing out of the squad and putting Suso out when he could have introduced a more experienced option gives out a message to the squad that players will play based on performance in matches & in training, not based on reputation which is refreshing to say the least.

We may be 18th but it is way too early in the season and I am looking to the future, you can see the work done behind the scenes on the team's performances already and I am sure it will get better by time.
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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2012, 11:49:12 pm »
I think and hope Rodgers will do o.k. He  hasn't cracked it yet,but hopefully once the first win is under our belt we will go on from there. I am all for supporting the manager but I think all the hero worship at this stage is a little bit O.T.T.
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« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2012, 11:49:50 pm »
If you are not worried by the fact we have not won a game yet, then I don't know what to say. So far we have knocked the ball around well and not won a game. Don't see the joy in being the nicest passing team at the bottom of the league - do you?
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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2012, 12:20:21 am »
All this hero worship , because of 1 press conference with Forums ??  dont see the comparison between yesterday's emotionally motivated performance compared to what rafa or houllier faced previously ! Funny how the article does not make the point of UTD being shit for 90 minutes and still won the game ! Cannot remeber UTD being so poor before when facing liverpool !  There seems to be a BR propaganda by some writers, but the reality is apart from speeches we have 2/15 points and are in the bottom 3 , and each after match interview from BR sounds like ones usually heard from managers managing teams with relegation credentials, "we played well but still could not win".  Also suso was through Borini Injury and not a substitution masterpiece , it was forced on him, lets not compare BR with Houliier let alone Rafa it really will does not do BR any favours.
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Re: Rodgers the man of the moment
« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2012, 12:27:34 am »
Not buying this I'm afraid. Revisionism and comparing apples with oranges....the Mancs were yesterday an almost embarrassingly poorer side than the ones aformentioned managers' sides took apart.

Totally agree mate , there is to much denial of our current status , and all is BR positive spin..the truth is 5 games no wins, even when playing well, but BR is the next shankly...according to some.
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