Topic: Daniel Sturridge

[na fir dearg]

It's bizarre, if he were Scouse, South American, Spainish, we'd be singing songs making banners idiolising him in the same way as Sureaz/ Torres, suppose it's got to work both ways but saddens me a little someone so special and that bond isn't there

For me is the fact that he is so unashamedly greedy at times - it takes away from the brilliance. Yeah yeah all strikers are greedy but he takes it to the limit, trying shots from impossible angles when he should just pass it
Suarez was also greedy but knew when to give it - hopefully Klopp can improve that side of Sturridges game, the goalscoring talent takes care of itself

[SC04OCT]

I think this has probably been discussed on other Sturridge threads, but I think his goal to minutes ratio is helped by the fact he has misses a lot of game time through injury. He obviously had an amazing 13/14 but then after that, he would score, get injured come back slowly and then score once or twice again before being injured.

Basically, I can't see him having Suarez's goals to minutes rate f he stays fully fit, which is fine. 25 goals in 30 games would be phenomenal. I'd be happy with 20 in 30+

Why would that affect his goal to minute ratio? You could argue it would be even better if he stayed injury free, as then that's less games spent getting back to match fitness/sharpness.

[newterp]

I would imagine that Sturridge is going to be protected this season via rotation. I would expect him to start a majority of league games (when fit of course) - but Origi and even Ings will get some starts at striker.  I also expect if we are in good positions late in the game - he will be pulled at 70 mins or so to let others run at tired defenses.

[Sir Psycho Sexy]

Why would that affect his goal to minute ratio? You could argue it would be even better if he stayed injury free, as then that's less games spent getting back to match fitness/sharpness.

Sturridge comes on as a late sub, against Norwich was it? and then scores in 7 minutes or something like that. That's better than him starting the game and scoring a hat trick in terms of goals to minutes

[groove]

Yes. Injuries can only be detrimental to your per minute performance levels. Still fairer than per game stats, though.

[SC04OCT]

Sturridge comes on as a late sub, against Norwich was it? and then scores in 7 minutes or something like that. That's better than him starting the game and scoring a hat trick in terms of goals to minutes

It doesn't really work like that.

[groove]

Sturridge comes on as a late sub, against Norwich was it? and then scores in 7 minutes or something like that. That's better than him starting the game and scoring a hat trick in terms of goals to minutes

That's one game. You need to think over the course of many games and thousands of minutes.

[pyroparty]

Why would that affect his goal to minute ratio? You could argue it would be even better if he stayed injury free, as then that's less games spent getting back to match fitness/sharpness.

Indeed, strange comment!! He must have played about 40 games for us where he looks like he should be in a hospital bed not a football pitch or at best rusty after not playing for so long!! If he was fit all the time it'd be even better, no doubt about it.

[SC04OCT]

It doesn't really work like that.

Adding to this:

Last season he played 14 games (979 minutes) and got a ratio of 0.74
The season before, he played 12 (753) and the ratio was 0.48
Before that, 21 games (1726) with a ratio of 1.10
Before that, when he only played half a season for us due to signing in Jan, 14 games (1088) with a ratio of 0.83.

That puts your theory to bed. His best ratio came in his largely injury free season, second best ratio was the injury free 2nd half of the season when he signed for us, 3rd and 4th ratios were his injury ravaged seasons.

[Sir Psycho Sexy]

It doesn't really work like that.

West Ham it was btw.

Anyway, in that sitaution, it did work like that. his goals to minutes ratio was obviously very good in 13/14. Since then, he's missed so many minutes, especially when Rodgers was here - but he did manage to chip in with a goal or two when he returned from injury, before being injured again. Sturridge is a special case when it comes to goals and minutes played because of this imo, which is why, apparently, he has a better goals to minutes ratio than Suarez, even with Luis's amazing final two seasons. Basically, if he does come back and stays fit, I wouldn't expect him to have that same insane ratio that makes it better than Suarez's numbers. He'll be fitter, play more minutes, and have more chances to score, but also will have times when he might dip out of form, or play an amazing game where he assists someone else goals etc .. his goals to minutes will probably become less insane due to actually playing full games and playing week after week.

Or I'm wrong and he continues to post Suarez like numbers ... a goal every 115 mins ... it's unrealistic to expect that imo

Adding to this:

Last season he played 14 games (979 minutes) and got a ratio of 0.74
The season before, he played 12 (753) and the ratio was 0.48
Before that, 21 games (1726) with a ratio of 1.10
Before that, when he only played half a season for us due to signing in Jan, 14 games (1088) with a ratio of 0.83.

That puts your theory to bed. His best ratio came in his largely injury free season, second best ratio was the injury free 2nd half of the season when he signed for us, 3rd and 4th ratios were his injury ravaged seasons.

I know it's moving the goalposts slightly, but that 13/14 season, well - next to Sterling and Suarez, in our all out attack tactics, really helped him. He was boss too, obviously.

What I'm saying is, that if his injuries don't allow his figures to become closer to average. Sturridge is good, but he's not on Suarez levels, which the goals to minutes numbers would suggest

[SC04OCT]

West Ham it was btw.

Anyway, in that sitaution, it did work like that. his goals to minutes ratio was obviously very good in 13/14. Since then, he's missed so many minutes, especially when Rodgers was here - but he did manage to chip in with a goal or two when he returned from injury, before being injured again. Sturridge is a special case when it comes to goals and minutes played because of this imo, which is why, apparently, he has a better goals to minutes ratio than Suarez, even with Luis's amazing final two seasons. Basically, if he does come back and stays fit, I wouldn't expect him to have that same insane ratio that makes it better than Suarez's numbers. He'll be fitter, play more minutes, and have more chances to score, but also will have times when he might dip out of form, or play an amazing game where he assists someone else goals etc .. his goals to minutes will probably become less insane due to actually playing full games and playing week after week.

Or I'm wrong and he continues to post Suarez like numbers ... a goal every 115 mins ... it's unrealistic to expect that imo

See above.

You're underrating Sturridge's ability to score goals.

[paul211b]

Trying to put my fantasy team together.  Do I have Dan in my team, will he play most of the time or will he be subbed or start on the bench.....

[groove]

I'm not sure how often he'll play 90 minutes Paul. Probably not the best fantasy player unless he's ridiculously cheap. What's his price vs Aguero and Kane, say?

[SC04OCT]

Trying to put my fantasy team together.  Do I have Dan in my team, will he play most of the time or will he be subbed or start on the bench.....

As long as he's fit, he starts imo. Unless Origi really gives Klopp no choice by continuing his vast improvement and becomes ridiculously good.

to be honest different games may call for different front men. Sturridge will suit some, Origi will suit others. Tricky one.

[Hazell]

I would imagine that Sturridge is going to be protected this season via rotation. I would expect him to start a majority of league games (when fit of course) - but Origi and even Ings will get some starts at striker.  I also expect if we are in good positions late in the game - he will be pulled at 70 mins or so to let others run at tired defenses.

I'm really fascinated to see Klopp's Liverpool 'team' this year, there's so much that's going to be different from last season I think even though we saw some signs of how he wants us to play.

And the Sturridge/Origi thing is the biggest thing for me. To my vaguely knowledgable eyes, Origi seems more suited to the team Klopp wants to build than Sturridge, although at present Sturridge is a better out and out striker and is the best in the league along with Aguero. We might play both, though that's unlikely or Klopp may rotate between the two but it wouldn't surprise me if Origi gets the nod more often than not. He got better and better as the season progressed last season and definitely has the talent. Also, having Sturridge on the bench to come on is a pretty handy option to have. Either way, it's going to be exciting, particularly with Origi for me because there's so much more to come from him whereas with Sturridge, we pretty much know he's an awesome striker. He just needs to stay fit.

[rowan_d]

I'm really fascinated to see Klopp's Liverpool 'team' this year, there's so much that's going to be different from last season I think even though we saw some signs of how he wants us to play.

And the Sturridge/Origi thing is the biggest thing for me. To my vaguely knowledgable eyes, Origi seems more suited to the team Klopp wants to build than Sturridge, although at present Sturridge is a better out and out striker and is the best in the league along with Aguero. We might play both, though that's unlikely or Klopp may rotate between the two but it wouldn't surprise me if Origi gets the nod more often than not. He got better and better as the season progressed last season and definitely has the talent. Also, having Sturridge on the bench to come on is a pretty handy option to have. Either way, it's going to be exciting, particularly with Origi for me because there's so much more to come from him whereas with Sturridge, we pretty much know he's an awesome striker. He just needs to stay fit.

The problem is that they're both my favourite players to watch right now

4-4-fucking-2 pls

[na fir dearg]

On Origi's pre-injury form it would be difficult to leave him out, such pace and power

[AaronSingh25]

One step at a time for Daniel - baby steps - just try to stay injury free till around Christmas, before talking of becoming world class.

[Oberyn_Martell]

If he can reproduce his 13/14 form and play like he did that season then we'll win the league i think

[AaronSingh25]

If he can reproduce his 13/14 form and play like he did that season then we'll win the league i think

How long will be dreaming about that one magical season? Don't do it to yourselves - we've been talking about that season for two years now, and invariably Daniel keeps breaking down. Let's just hope he stays fit, because if he does - he will score goals.

[vagabond]

One step at a time for Daniel - baby steps - just try to stay injury free till around Christmas, before talking of becoming world class.

He's already world class.

[newterp]

He's already world class.

No doubt.

[JackWard33]

The problem is that they're both my favourite players to watch right now

4-4-fucking-2 pls

Yeah squad seems much better suited to 442

[DanA]

I'm expecting Sturridge to score at a goal every 110-140 minutes. If he stays fit 20+ goals is on the cards though I reckon he'll be subbed a bit because Origi is boss and best not to push his limits.

[B0151?]

What I'm saying is, that if his injuries don't allow his figures to become closer to average. Sturridge is good, but he's not on Suarez levels, which the goals to minutes numbers would suggest

He's scored goals at a fantastic rate whenever he's had a run of games. In 10/11, in 12/13, in 13/14, in 15/16. You could do the math and I bet there wouldn't be an awful lot of difference.

13/14 was no fluke - it was just him playing his only full season up front.

[B0151?]

Anyway, in that sitaution, it did work like that. his goals to minutes ratio was obviously very good in 13/14. Since then, he's missed so many minutes, especially when Rodgers was here - but he did manage to chip in with a goal or two when he returned from injury, before being injured again.

Sorry to come back to this - but it just isn't correct at all. In 14/15 he only had 2 runs of games, and the shorter one was only 1 goal in 270 mins. In 15/16 he scored 2 in 243 mins before getting injured again so wasn't amazingly favourable to his goal record either.

Have a look yourself. http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/daniel-sturridge/leistungsdaten/spieler/47082/plus/0?saison=2014 http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/daniel-sturridge/leistungsdaten/spieler/47082/plus/0?saison=2015

(Bear in mind he was fit onwards from the Aston Villa game - just rested for the Europa League)

The reason his goal record is ridiculous is because of what he did during his 3 longest runs of games for us. You're entitled to think that if he'd been fully fit the last 2 seasons he wouldn't have maintained his record (though I'd strongly disagree) but there is no boosting while nipping in with goals in cameos and dipping out, that's not what happened.

[DanA]

Since 2013/14 an injury ravage Sturridge has still scored at a goal every 160 minutes or so and last season it was a goal every 130 minutes.

With a well balanced team, preseason and clean run I think it's reasonable to estimate he will score at a rate of a goal every 110-140 minutes.

[Fiasco]

One step at a time for Daniel - baby steps - just try to stay injury free till around Christmas, before talking of becoming world class.

Becoming world class? He already is and has been for a few years.

[RainbowFlick]

Becoming world class? He already is and has been for a few years.

I agree. His injury record does not detract from his quality.

[Lolo]

It's also rather important to remember that his best scoring season is when he was playing alongside Suarez who was pulling defenses all over the place and causing general panic.

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

Since 2013/14 an injury ravage Sturridge has still scored at a goal every 160 minutes or so and last season it was a goal every 130 minutes.

With a well balanced team, preseason and clean run I think it's reasonable to estimate he will score at a rate of a goal every 110-140 minutes.

I also agree that he is a 1 in 2 striker, but I think he will be closer to the 110 in your scenario if he stays healthy. He's having a full preseason for the first time in many years, that should help him immensely. Fingers crossed he does maintain the pace.

[Redcap]

From what I've seen in pre-season I don't think he has his pace back and I don't think he'll ever get it back. He's still a really good player, and I think as a second choice striker in a top team he's more than worth the money. He will need to still up his all round game one or two notches if he's ever going to be a world class striker again now though.

There's such a big difference in what he offers physically compared to Origi that I think they'll end up getting a similar amount of game time, particularly if Origi builds on his second half of last season.

[spider-neil]

From what I've seen in pre-season I don't think he has his pace back and I don't think he'll ever get it back. He's still a really good player, and I think as a second choice striker in a top team he's more than worth the money. He will need to still up his all round game one or two notches if he's ever going to be a world class striker again now though.

There's such a big difference in what he offers physically compared to Origi that I think they'll end up getting a similar amount of game time, particularly if Origi builds on his second half of last season.

I think the burst of pace over short distances is still there, as seen with his 1 v 1 vs Roma. The loss of pace over long distances is more debatable.

[AaronSingh25]

I'm relieved Klopp is building an attack without relying on Sturridge. We've done this to ourselves the past two seasons, and he's invariably broken down.

Just going to look at him playing as a bonus, rather than expected and reliant on.

[Lasardine]

From what I've seen in pre-season I don't think he has his pace back and I don't think he'll ever get it back. He's still a really good player, and I think as a second choice striker in a top team he's more than worth the money. He will need to still up his all round game one or two notches if he's ever going to be a world class striker again now though.

There's such a big difference in what he offers physically compared to Origi that I think they'll end up getting a similar amount of game time, particularly if Origi builds on his second half of last season.

I was beginning to worry the same but that burst was there in flashes against Roma. He has only played two games unlike the others, another thing to consider.

[Hazell]

Good thing about Sturridge in terms of pace is that he's got other things to his game so even if he loses it (I haven't seen much of our pre season matches) and he'll still be one of the best in the league. With us in particular, the additions of Wijanuldum and in particular Mane mean that it's not going to be much of an issue. Anyway, he still looked sharp in that respect for England in the summer so I don't know if it's something to worry about.

I said yesterday that it wouldn't surprise me if Origi starts more this season with Sturridge on the bench - Sturridge coming on against tiring defences would be brilliant although he probably and understandably wouldn't be too happy with that.

[spider-neil]

Good thing about Sturridge in terms of pace is that he's got other things to his game so even if he loses it (I haven't seen much of our pre season matches) and he'll still be one of the best in the league. With us in particular, the additions of Wijanuldum and in particular Mane mean that it's not going to be much of an issue. Anyway, he still looked sharp in that respect for England in the summer so I don't know if it's something to worry about.

I said yesterday that it wouldn't surprise me if Origi starts more this season with Sturridge on the bench - Sturridge coming on against tiring defences would be brilliant although he probably and understandably wouldn't be too happy with that.

Sturridge as a bench player? I think he'd be looking to move on within the year.

[The Test]

It's a tough one because they're both simply too good to bench. Similar to the Suarez / Sturridge conundrum in 13/14. I'd hope that Klopp will find a set up where Origi plays on the shoulder, stretching play and dominating CB's with his pace and power, while danny drops off slightly in the pocket and works his magic. If we do find a workable formation that includes both of them and that doesn't compromise our pressing game we'll be unplayable.

[The Test]

And thats without discussing Mane who I reckon will absolutely explode at some point in the very near future...

[Schmidt]

Good thing about Sturridge in terms of pace is that he's got other things to his game so even if he loses it (I haven't seen much of our pre season matches) and he'll still be one of the best in the league. With us in particular, the additions of Wijanuldum and in particular Mane mean that it's not going to be much of an issue. Anyway, he still looked sharp in that respect for England in the summer so I don't know if it's something to worry about.

I said yesterday that it wouldn't surprise me if Origi starts more this season with Sturridge on the bench - Sturridge coming on against tiring defences would be brilliant although he probably and understandably wouldn't be too happy with that.

He still has pace he's just very economical with it, for the chipped effort against Roma he left the defence for dead. I wonder if it's a confidence thing more than anything, he hasn't looked slow exactly he just hasn't used his pace to run in behind much recently.