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Paintings You Like
« on: December 2, 2009, 01:00:04 am »
After years of having no avatar (not sure why) I recently have avatars of famous paintings (again, not sure why) so I thought this might be nice.

So the deal is, you find a picture of a painting that you like, and then go find out a bit about it and post it up here, along with why you like it.

Currently, my avatar is a detail from a painting by Caravaggio called "Judith Beheading Holofernes".



So, Judith was Jewish and she got into the tent of the Babylonian General, Holofernes, got him drunk and cut off his head.

In the original, Judith was bare breasted, suggesting there might have been a bit more to her mission than just wine, but the stupid morality police later insisted on a blouse.

The theory is that Caravaggio got the fine physical detail from two high profile public executions of the day. Also, Judith was modeled on a well known courtesan.

Anyway, I love the expressions on the faces of Judith and the old man.

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Re: Paintings You Like
« Reply #1 on: December 2, 2009, 01:30:06 am »
Still Pond - Gustav Klimt

Love this pic. Me and the Missus brought a copy while we were in Austria from the Leopold Museum in Vienna after seeing the original, which is just beautiful.

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« Reply #2 on: December 2, 2009, 01:40:23 am »
Lots of suggestions to cover that space on your wall here.
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Re: Paintings You Like
« Reply #3 on: December 2, 2009, 11:43:52 am »
Anyway, I love the expressions on the face of Judith.

Yes, concentration rather than disgust or triumph. Ok, maybe a hint of disgust. But, still, it's about a job skillfully done and that's good.
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Re: Paintings You Like
« Reply #4 on: December 2, 2009, 11:59:56 am »
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Re: Paintings You Like
« Reply #5 on: December 2, 2009, 07:06:51 pm »
Gustave Caillebotte - Les Raboteurs de Parquet (1875)


Saw this at the Musée d'Orsay in Paris and I was blown away by it.
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Re: Paintings You Like
« Reply #6 on: December 2, 2009, 08:38:34 pm »
Lots of suggestions to cover that space on your wall here.
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=42306.0 :wave

Yeah, but I was going more for having to tell everyone a bit about the painting, rather than just posting it up. Not entirely successful so far....

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Re: Paintings You Like
« Reply #7 on: December 2, 2009, 09:37:05 pm »
Giovanni Arnolfini and the Bride by Van Eyck



This was in my History book when I was in secondary school, just always remained stuck in my head. I love the reflection of the mirror particularly.
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Re: Paintings You Like
« Reply #8 on: December 2, 2009, 09:47:08 pm »
Pieter Bruegel the Elder and the Slaughter of the Innocents. 1565-67



This picture, at first view simply a naive painting of the  familiar Biblical scene, was in more ways than one a result of fundamental Protestantism gaining hold in the Low Countries. This effectively discouraged Artists from producing pictures of idols, that would be considered Popery, so they had to  use other scenes to convey their thoughts.

There's a good quote here which sums his dilemma quite nicely. http://watchmepaint.blogspot.com/2007/12/adoration-of-magi-in-snow.html

"Bruegel was addressing a problem which bedevils our own age: how can the artist tell an ancient, unchanging story in a new language? He solved the problem by quoting a traditional icon in the context of a new reality. In these three paintings, the new context was the Protestant priesthood of all believers, represented by the peasantry. Today we call this “appropriation art” and imagine it’s a new idea."

But back to the picture and what it is really about..

This picture is not about Herod killing children.

This is a record of genocide, of all the people of an impoverished Dutch village beng slaughtered by the forces of King Philip II of Spain for being heretics, all set against the bleak mid winter, and a very common occurence at that time in what is now known as Holland.

The original details, revealed by X-Rays shows men, women and children being imaginatively chopped to pieces and scattered around, but these bits were changed, overpainted, by a later owner to strange packages and animals as it was considered too brutal a depiction.

In the background, you can see a detachment of mounted soldiers, ready to intervene if any of the intended victims attempt to escape.

When you look at it with this knowledge, you can perhaps see something that resonates down the ages, and that still occurs, from the 2nd World War slaughter of complete villages on the Eastern front, to events still happening today in hell holes in sub Saharan Africa. Religion. It's great at times.

As an aside, Bruegal was the inventor of the winter landscape and also the use of violet shadowing and warm highlighting, called chromatic modeling.

Well worth checking out his 'The Triumph of Death'.
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Re: Paintings You Like
« Reply #9 on: December 2, 2009, 09:47:58 pm »
Gustave Caillebotte - Les Raboteurs de Parquet (1875)


Saw this at the Musée d'Orsay in Paris and I was blown away by it.

great artist, i think really underrated as well

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Re: Paintings You Like
« Reply #10 on: December 2, 2009, 09:54:42 pm »
As an aside, Bruegal was the inventor of the winter landscape

Is that something you can invent?

Very interesting, GS, although I'm glad of the packages and animals changes. It would be pretty brutal as described (said the guy who started the thread with a beheading).

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Re: Paintings You Like
« Reply #11 on: December 2, 2009, 10:20:55 pm »
Giovanni Arnolfini and the Bride by Van Eyck

Glad someone mentioned this. I took an art history class during a summer session at university and this painting was much talked about. Although not as photographic as the Caravaggio, the level of detail is exquisite. 

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Re: Paintings You Like
« Reply #12 on: December 2, 2009, 10:23:59 pm »
Is that something you can invent?
Honestly not too sure now you mention it. I was just immersed in a stream of babbling autotype mode when I hammered it in.
Do we discover a method of depiction, of storytelling, of artistic endeavour, or do we say that we invent one?
Discover seems to imply that it's always been there, waiting to be found like a lost continent, and I'm not sure that could be true with a method or manner of depiction. Pointillism, Abstract, Surrealism, are these discoveries of ways of doing things or inventions of ways? I'm happy to be corrected though.
Let's just say that he was probably the first prominent painter, who's work has survived, to consistently feature winter landscapes as a backdrop for his themes. :)
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Re: Paintings You Like
« Reply #13 on: December 2, 2009, 10:33:48 pm »
The Gulleysucker has put Breughel into my head and that always makes me think of this picture:


Landscape with the Fall of Icarus Pieter Breughelc. 1558[/size][/size]

Which I first came across when studying Auden for O Level English Literature.  Clearly the brilliance of this picture is in the way the world is coldly indifferent to the Icarus' failure.  The eponymous subject of the picture disappearing from view almost unnoticed by all.  However Auden put it rather better:

Musee des Beaux Arts   W.H. Auden   

About suffering they were never wrong,
The Old Masters; how well, they understood
Its human position; how it takes place
While someone else is eating or opening a window or just walking dully along;
How, when the aged are reverently, passionately waiting
For the miraculous birth, there always must be
Children who did not specially want it to happen, skating
On a pond at the edge of the wood:
They never forgot
That even the dreadful martyrdom must run its course
Anyhow in a corner, some untidy spot
Where the dogs go on with their doggy life and the torturer's horse           
Scratches its innocent behind on a tree.
In Breughel's Icarus, for instance: how everything turns away
Quite leisurely from the disaster; the ploughman may
Have heard the splash, the forsaken cry,
But for him it was not an important failure; the sun shone
As it had to on the white legs disappearing into the green
Water; and the expensive delicate ship that must have seen
Something amazing, a boy falling out of the sky,
had somewhere to get to and sailed calmly on.           

1940
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Re: Paintings You Like
« Reply #14 on: December 2, 2009, 10:58:35 pm »
Although not as photographic as the Caravaggio, the level of detail is exquisite. 

I couldn't remember the name of another artist was called that I liked, soon as you said Caravaggio... :) Another painting I love from Caravaggio, The Taking Of Christ, also in my history book.


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« Reply #15 on: December 2, 2009, 11:28:48 pm »
Was about to post this actually (and the Auden poem) ...

The Gulleysucker has put Breughel into my head and that always makes me think of this picture:


Landscape with the Fall of Icarus Pieter Breughelc. 1558[/size][/size]

Which I first came across when studying Auden for O Level English Literature.  Clearly the brilliance of this picture is in the way the world is coldly indifferent to the Icarus' failure.  The eponymous subject of the picture disappearing from view almost unnoticed by all.  However Auden put it rather better:

Musee des Beaux Arts   W.H. Auden   

About suffering they were never wrong,
The Old Masters; how well, they understood
Its human position; how it takes place
While someone else is eating or opening a window or just walking dully along;
How, when the aged are reverently, passionately waiting
For the miraculous birth, there always must be
Children who did not specially want it to happen, skating
On a pond at the edge of the wood:
They never forgot
That even the dreadful martyrdom must run its course
Anyhow in a corner, some untidy spot
Where the dogs go on with their doggy life and the torturer's horse           
Scratches its innocent behind on a tree.
In Breughel's Icarus, for instance: how everything turns away
Quite leisurely from the disaster; the ploughman may
Have heard the splash, the forsaken cry,
But for him it was not an important failure; the sun shone
As it had to on the white legs disappearing into the green
Water; and the expensive delicate ship that must have seen
Something amazing, a boy falling out of the sky,
had somewhere to get to and sailed calmly on.           

1940


 ... so, I'll post this instead.

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Re: Paintings You Like
« Reply #16 on: December 2, 2009, 11:48:09 pm »
Very interesting, GS, although I'm glad of the packages and animals changes. It would be pretty brutal as described (said the guy who started the thread with a beheading).

Really?  The brutality of the original was obviously a powerful image and one of the most important aspects of the painting.  To manipulate a work of art in such a way is a bloody crime, in my opinion.

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« Reply #17 on: December 2, 2009, 11:50:14 pm »
Really?  The brutality of the original was obviously a powerful image and one of the most important aspects of the painting.  To manipulate a work of art in such a way is a bloody crime, in my opinion.

I agree, as I pointed out in the opening post, but that was about breasts.

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« Reply #18 on: December 3, 2009, 12:43:02 am »


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« Reply #19 on: December 3, 2009, 09:14:53 am »
Li II. H.R Giger

I first saw his disturbing work on the cover of an album back in 73 or so (ELP?) and I remember a girlfriend who was at art school at the time was into his stuff well before Alien came out and made him much better known. Beautiful but seriously strange pictures and sculptures, and one seriously strange guy. I think it was Omnibus did a programme about him maybe 6 or 7 years ago. Weeiirdd, and that's an understatement, but he is topically Swiss...

....  The brutality of the original was obviously a powerful image and one of the most important aspects of the painting.  To manipulate a work of art in such a way is a bloody crime, in my opinion.

Yes, you're probably right, but I like to think perhaps it shows that it is not just the the original theme of a pogrom that resonates, but also demonstrates the act of arbitary censorship, the covering up, the air brushing out of our lives of the true horrific reality.

And yet this still happens today, with the media Gods now loathe to upset the sensibilities of the viewers and placing a fig leaf over images of the brutal reality of the results of conflicts by the freezing of film or the turning away of the camera prior to acts of horror such as say the beheading of hostages or the impaling of Afghans against walls with the anti-personnel flechettes from missile strikes and such. But it's complex, and I don't have or profer an answer.
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« Reply #20 on: December 3, 2009, 10:11:34 am »
I first saw his disturbing work on the cover of an album back in 73 or so (ELP?)
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« Reply #21 on: December 3, 2009, 11:04:22 pm »
Yes, you're probably right, but I like to think perhaps it shows that it is not just the the original theme of a pogrom that resonates, but also demonstrates the act of arbitary censorship, the covering up, the air brushing out of our lives of the true horrific reality.

A good point that is all too true.

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« Reply #22 on: December 3, 2009, 11:16:29 pm »
El Greco, The Burial of the Count of Orgaz.

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« Reply #23 on: December 4, 2009, 12:09:35 am »
I first saw his disturbing work on the cover of an album back in 73 or so (ELP?) and I remember a girlfriend who was at art school at the time was into his stuff well before Alien came out and made him much better known. Beautiful but seriously strange pictures and sculptures, and one seriously strange guy. I think it was Omnibus did a programme about him maybe 6 or 7 years ago. Weeiirdd, and that's an understatement, but he is topically Swiss...


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« Reply #24 on: December 4, 2009, 01:50:26 am »
Shout out for those mentioning Magritte. Love his work   ;)


Michelangelo's The Last Judgement




This was painted by Michelangelo on the wall behind the altar in the Sistine Chapel between 1536 and 1541 (and Mrs Macca complained that it took me a week to do the living room. Cheeky bastard, at least I used two coats!) As it suggests, it is the depiction of the final moments before the Last Judgement is announced, with Jesus surrounded by Mary, the Saints and the Martyrs. It borrows heavily from Dante's Inferno, and even more interestingly, while it is the intended centrepiece of what was formerly the Catholic Pope's private chapel, it pays a great homage to Greek Mythology, with the use of Minos and Charon preparing the path to eternal damnation. Not surprisingly, one of the greatest paintings ever was called "not fit for a pub wall" by one of the Pope's most trusted lieutenants because of the depiction of what he felt was too much gratuitous nudity.

This really does have a special meaning to me for a number of reasons. We went to Rome on honeymoon and spent most of our time sightseeing and visiting galleries and museums. By the time we went to the Vatican Museum, all I had in mind was the anticipation of seeing the Sistine Chapel ceiling. In my mind at the time, it was just going to be a simple case of looking up in reverence. This happened, because the ceiling is as stunning and awe-inspiring as you would suspect, but when I looked down again, my eyes were drawn to this painting. What it does is sums up the whole hypocrisy of organised religion. They just couldn't be happy with the rapturous joy of those being called to the pearly gates; they had to throw in the threat of what would happen to the damned. And that to me is the true nature of the deceit of organised religion. "Jesus loves you. Forgive each other. And by the way, if you're bad, wicked, greedy and care too much about material possessions, Jesus won't forgive you and he'll fucking spank you. And talk about grudges. His is eternal." Juxtapose that message with the sheer magnitude of the wealth and opulence within the Vatican, and you might well wonder how Pope Paul III got anywhere near Heaven, even though as Pope, most people would have had him nailed on to get in.
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« Reply #25 on: December 4, 2009, 08:01:56 am »
The Gulleysucker has put Breughel into my head and that always makes me think of this picture:


Landscape with the Fall of Icarus Pieter Breughelc. 1558[/size][/size]

Which I first came across when studying Auden for O Level English Literature.  Clearly the brilliance of this picture is in the way the world is coldly indifferent to the Icarus' failure.  The eponymous subject of the picture disappearing from view almost unnoticed by all.  However Auden put it rather better:

Musee des Beaux Arts   W.H. Auden   

About suffering they were never wrong,
The Old Masters; how well, they understood
Its human position; how it takes place
While someone else is eating or opening a window or just walking dully along;
How, when the aged are reverently, passionately waiting
For the miraculous birth, there always must be
Children who did not specially want it to happen, skating
On a pond at the edge of the wood:
They never forgot
That even the dreadful martyrdom must run its course
Anyhow in a corner, some untidy spot
Where the dogs go on with their doggy life and the torturer's horse           
Scratches its innocent behind on a tree.
In Breughel's Icarus, for instance: how everything turns away
Quite leisurely from the disaster; the ploughman may
Have heard the splash, the forsaken cry,
But for him it was not an important failure; the sun shone
As it had to on the white legs disappearing into the green
Water; and the expensive delicate ship that must have seen
Something amazing, a boy falling out of the sky,
had somewhere to get to and sailed calmly on.           

1940


I would choose that one too, as that was the painting that taught me appreciate art. One of my A Level teachers, who was brilliant, had just got a big print of it. As I was in the room reading at the itme, he sat down with me and excitedly told me all the things that he loved about it, and recited that poem by heart. Although I was a bit of a gobshite teenager at the time I found myself thinking about what he said, and I've always kept a printed out version of that with me on my desk ever since. Great painting.

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« Reply #26 on: December 4, 2009, 09:20:41 am »
I would choose that one too, as that was the painting that taught me appreciate art. One of my A Level teachers, who was brilliant, had just got a big print of it. As I was in the room reading at the itme, he sat down with me and excitedly told me all the things that he loved about it, and recited that poem by heart. Although I was a bit of a gobshite teenager at the time I found myself thinking about what he said, and I've always kept a printed out version of that with me on my desk ever since. Great painting.

What I love about this picture is that, in common with most old masters, it is composed in such a way that it leads your eye to the focus of the picture. In this case your eye naturally wanders to point of sky where you expect to see Icarus, but you are then confounded, where is he?  Even after seeing it many many times when I come back to it after not seeing it for a while I am still momentarily fazed when seeing it again, before eventually rediscovering his forlornly flapping limbs sinking unnoticed into the sea.
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« Reply #27 on: December 4, 2009, 09:49:52 am »
What I love about this picture is that, in common with most old masters, it is composed in such a way that it leads your eye to the focus of the picture. In this case your eye naturally wanders to point of sky where you expect to see Icarus, but you are then confounded, where is he?  Even after seeing it many many times when I come back to it after not seeing it for a while I am still momentarily fazed when seeing it again, before eventually rediscovering his forlornly flapping limbs sinking unnoticed into the sea.

Wife and I were arguing about where under the sun Icarus had gone before we spotted his legs flapping at the foot of the painting.

What it does is sums up the whole hypocrisy of organised religion. They just couldn't be happy with the rapturous joy of those being called to the pearly gates; they had to throw in the threat of what would happen to the damned. And that to me is the true nature of the deceit of organised religion. "Jesus loves you. Forgive each other. And by the way, if you're bad, wicked, greedy and care too much about material possessions, Jesus won't forgive you and he'll fucking spank you. And talk about grudges. His is eternal." Juxtapose that message with the sheer magnitude of the wealth and opulence within the Vatican, and you might well wonder how Pope Paul III got anywhere near Heaven, even though as Pope, most people would have had him nailed on to get in.


Religious painting inspires anti religious feelings. Love it.

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« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2010, 08:39:11 pm »
Edouard Manet
Bar At The Folies Bergeres, 1882


This painting looks fairly straight forward but is in fact all over the shop. Are we looking at a woman with a mirror behind her? If so, are we the man to the right? Why is he off to the right, rather than directly behind her, like a good reflection? Does the room stretch off forever to the top left? Gosh, didn't they have skinny waists then?

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« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2010, 12:05:54 am »

I've never really looked at it in any detail before, and yes, it's a weird one on closer inspection.

At first glance I thought it was just a large bar in the middle of a room and the symmetry of those globes on the pillars behind seem to give the effect of a reflection, but to me it looks like the bar is perhaps situated on one of the balconies overlooking what I assume to be a performing area, complete with the feet of a trapeze artist showing in the top left hand corner and a woman looking at something off left through opera glasses.

What seems to be making it odd is the perspective of that balcony line at the back in relation to the marble bar surface that the waitress has her hands on, it seems slightly crooked.

But the really strange thing is the floating surface immediately behind her, with no obvious means of support, positioned behind the top of the nearest balcony rail, yet the other waitress is behind the rail. And yes, just what is going on directly in the distance behind the waitress, as it looks like a huge hall stretching off but with no discernable purpose in such a venue, almost like a debating chamber.

Nice detail effect on the fruit, flowers, velvet and lace though, but as you say, all over the shop.

It makes me wonder was he in love with this woman?


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Re: Paintings You Like
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2010, 12:18:42 am »
I remember reading (or it may have been on the telly box) somewhere that Manet was overcome by a fit of modesty for his barmaid, adding the floral adornment to conceal her décolletage, despite it going against fashion of the time. 
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Re: Paintings You Like
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2010, 06:59:46 am »


Christina's World by Andrew Wyeth

Laugh if you want, but I first saw this painting within the covers of Preacher, a truly excellent graphic novel by Garth Ennis. The girl in the painting is Wyeth's cousin, who was born with polio. This was the furthest she was ever allowed to go from her farmhouse, she had to stay within sight of her farmhouse for her own safety. In the book it was used to illustrate the plight of the protagonist's mother, who was also named Christina and was imprisoned in a house of her own for most of her life. It's so bleak and desperate and sad - the house is her entire world and no matter what she does it always pulls her back in.
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Re: Paintings You Like
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2010, 07:05:03 am »


I love the use of colour and the young lady's smile
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Re: Paintings You Like
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2010, 02:25:23 pm »
I love the use of colour and the young lady's smile

It's a challenging piece in many ways. What is the artist trying to say about life with the prominence of the butterflies? The brief impermanent nature of our existence, perhaps.

Oh, and I like her yellow shoes, too.

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« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2010, 02:34:16 pm »


It' mine and I fucking like it.

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Re: Paintings You Like
« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2010, 03:10:31 pm »
mad love for breughel.  this was my screen saver for a couple of years and pretty much the ultimate metaphor for man's essential hubris:





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« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2010, 04:41:35 pm »
Has anyone been to see this one in the walker?



Not much to look at as a photo, but the real thing is extraordinary, almost 3-D. I remember the first time i saw it as a child i almost fell over.
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Re: Paintings You Like
« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2010, 10:57:20 pm »
Has anyone been to see this one in the walker?



Not much to look at as a photo, but the real thing is extraordinary, almost 3-D. I remember the first time i saw it as a child i almost fell over.

Its called 'Interior at Paddington' by Lucian Freud.
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Re: Paintings You Like
« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2010, 03:51:40 pm »
this is by richard ziegler and is called 'the merry widow'.  i saw it at the expressionist exhibition at the metropolitan in berlin 18 years ago and it i liked its subversive celebration of liberated sexuality.

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Re: Paintings You Like
« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2010, 05:26:14 pm »
this is by richard ziegler and is called 'the merry widow'.  i saw it at the expressionist exhibition at the metropolitan in berlin 18 years ago and it i liked its subversive celebration of liberated sexuality.

And the fact you can see her minge.