Author Topic: General Election May 7th 2015 (Read 343194 times)

John C · « **Reply #400 on:** March 28, 2015, 02:53:40 pm »

Quote from: Trada on March 27, 2015, 07:17:07 pm

MPs' expenses: 46 claim in London despite owning a property

http://www.channel4.com/news/mps-expenses-46-claim-in-london-despite-owning-a-property

All that sickens me to the stomach, it makes you despise our establishment.

CHOPPER · « **Reply #401 on:** March 28, 2015, 03:39:55 pm »

Vote Melchett

Trada · « **Reply #402 on:** March 28, 2015, 03:41:58 pm »

A great speech by Nicola Sturgeon I agree with everything they stand for wish I could vote for them its the kind of speech Milliband should be making.

Best conference speech I have seen finding myself nodding in agreement with nearly all of it.

Red Beret · « **Reply #403 on:** March 28, 2015, 04:25:17 pm »

HarryLabrador · « **Reply #404 on:** March 28, 2015, 04:59:00 pm »

Quote from: Red Beret on March 28, 2015, 04:25:17 pm

Bump!

Trada · « **Reply #405 on:** March 28, 2015, 05:02:25 pm »

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/ZcTBPuPHv-8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/ZcTBPuPHv-8</a>

Redman0151 · « **Reply #406 on:** March 28, 2015, 05:06:14 pm »

Quote from: shook on March 28, 2015, 05:05:19 pm

Wow.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/28/david-cameron-makes-personal-attack-on-ed-miliband-and-sneering-socialists

David Cameron has mounted a personal attack on Ed Miliband as he accused the Labour leader of leading a group of “hypocritical holier-than-thou, hopeless, sneering socialists” who had betrayed their traditional values.

Haha there's probably truth somewhere in there, but you can see Cameron's been rattled by the last debate

TepidT2O · « **Reply #407 on:** March 28, 2015, 05:06:46 pm »

Quote from: Kay Burley on March 28, 2015, 03:39:55 pm

Vote Melchett

I agree

B0151? · « **Reply #408 on:** March 28, 2015, 05:32:42 pm »

Quote from: Crosby Wych on March 28, 2015, 05:06:14 pm

Haha there's probably truth somewhere in there, but you can see Cameron's been rattled by the last debate

How can you call them socialists as an insult and say they've betrayed their roots at the same time

Pick one or the other Dave you daft bastard

Trada · « **Reply #409 on:** March 28, 2015, 05:35:21 pm »

Labour release an attack video.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/TeLjStAH-Hc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/TeLjStAH-Hc</a>

B0151? · « **Reply #410 on:** March 28, 2015, 05:43:13 pm »

That "some people choose zero hours" is such a Tory answer. Disgrace.

stewil007 · « **Reply #411 on:** March 28, 2015, 06:38:16 pm »

Quote from: Bakez0151 on March 28, 2015, 05:43:13 pm

That "some people choose zero hours" is such a Tory answer. Disgrace.

according to Dave, its 700k students isnt it?

Trada · « **Reply #412 on:** March 28, 2015, 07:26:45 pm »

Brilliant speech and like I said earlier the kind of things Milliband should be saying.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/1Awm_TU9i8U" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/1Awm_TU9i8U</a>

Elmo! · « **Reply #413 on:** March 28, 2015, 07:32:24 pm »

Quote from: Trada on March 28, 2015, 07:26:45 pm

Brilliant speech and like I said earlier the kind of things Milliband should be saying.

Spot on. Maybe if people watch this they will realise that the SNP holding the balance of power and holding Labour to account will be a good thing and not the doomsday scenario it is being portrayed as in the media.

Trada · « **Reply #414 on:** March 28, 2015, 08:08:51 pm »

Quote from: Red Beret on March 28, 2015, 04:25:17 pm

B0151? · « **Reply #415 on:** March 28, 2015, 10:01:36 pm »

stewil007 · « **Reply #416 on:** March 28, 2015, 10:17:38 pm »

Quote from: Bakez0151 on March 28, 2015, 10:01:36 pm

If the SNP are going to hold the balance of power by holding the majority of scottish seats, how come they are one that poll? surely they must be out scoring the libs dems and ukip?

Elmo! · « **Reply #417 on:** March 28, 2015, 10:30:18 pm »

Quote from: stewil007 on March 28, 2015, 10:17:38 pm

If the SNP are going to hold the balance of power by holding the majority of scottish seats, how come they are one that poll? surely they must be out scoring the libs dems and ukip?

Remember Scotland is only 8.3% percent of the population. They are polling around 45% in Scotland at the minute so that's only about 4% of the whole electorate. Thanks to the wonderful First Past The Post system though, it means they could get about 8% of the seats on 4% of the vote. Wonder if that will make the Tories and Labour more keen on PR?

Redman0151 · « **Reply #418 on:** March 28, 2015, 10:34:18 pm »

Quote from: Bakez0151 on March 28, 2015, 10:01:36 pm

13% ready to vote for UKIP, the mind boggles it really does

Twelfth Man · « **Reply #419 on:** March 28, 2015, 10:41:13 pm »

That warty frog face is repulsive.

west_london_red · « **Reply #420 on:** March 28, 2015, 11:50:01 pm »

Quote from: Trada on March 28, 2015, 07:26:45 pm

Brilliant speech and like I said earlier the kind of things Milliband should be saying.

It's a good speech but all this we'll give Labour a back bone is nothing but playing up the whole image the Tories are trying to portray of Milliband being Salmonds puppet. Is it too far to suggest that by associating themselves with Labour they are actually trying to scare people in England in to voting Tory? They are no threat to the SNP, but it will be a hell of a lot easier to get about convincing people in Scotland they need another referendum if there is a Tory government

west_london_red · « **Reply #421 on:** March 28, 2015, 11:54:37 pm »

Quote from: elmo_swatloski on March 28, 2015, 10:30:18 pm

Remember Scotland is only 8.3% percent of the population. They are polling around 45% in Scotland at the minute so that's only about 4% of the whole electorate. Thanks to the wonderful First Past The Post system though, it means they could get about 8% of the seats on 4% of the vote. Wonder if that will make the Tories and Labour more keen on PR?

PR would also result in there being about 75 UKIP MPs so I'd happil stick to first past the post and PR was convincingly rejected in the last referendum so can't see anyone pushing it too much

Elmo! · « **Reply #422 on:** March 28, 2015, 11:59:59 pm »

Quote from: west_london_red on March 28, 2015, 11:54:37 pm

PR would also result in there being about 75 UKIP MPs so I'd happil stick to first past the post and PR was convincingly rejected in the last referendum so can't see anyone pushing it too much

AV is in no way proportional.

Red Beret · « **Reply #423 on:** March 29, 2015, 12:07:45 am »

First, that video shows Ed only answering two questions so I can only assume they had a lot of trouble mining that show for some decent material?

And second, it bothers me that there's 13% of Kippers of which half could easily switch back to the Tories in the voting booth.

John C · « **Reply #424 on:** March 29, 2015, 12:17:38 am »

If 13% of them, not us, vote UKIP then Britain truly is broken.

That Kennedy moment · « **Reply #425 on:** March 29, 2015, 12:29:03 am »

Quote from: Red Beret on March 29, 2015, 12:07:45 am

And second, it bothers me that there's 13% of Kippers of which half could easily switch back to the Tories in the voting booth.

I doubt UKIP will win more than two seats in this election - probably east coast Tory seats, in Lincolnshire, Essex or Kent, most likely. But in a GE this tight, this could be crucial. And given the strength of anti-immigrant feeling in some of these seats, and the residual anti-Cameron feeling among the Tory right, this angry vote could well hold firm.

I'd also expect the Green vote to drop, and about a fifth to a quarter of Greens to drift back to Labour.

Given the hundreds of thousands of people who voted Lib Dem in 2010 and who will now drift back to Labour too, I think they have more to gain from the 'soft' votes. Five years of Tory rule tends to focus the mind, in a way that 13 years of Labour government doesn't.

I'd still like Labour to make more of the NHS, with Burnham to the fore.

Cameron's attack on Miliband today is a big mistake. It just highlights all his worst instincts - petulant, presumptuous, light on detail and policy.

Trada · « **Reply #426 on:** March 29, 2015, 12:45:21 am »

I really think the SNP are the way forward.

Far Left and fucking say it.

I would vote for them if I could.

Maybe Trident can be put in Milton Keynes.

Rome-77 · « **Reply #427 on:** March 29, 2015, 07:42:07 am »

Quote from: Bakez0151 on March 28, 2015, 10:01:36 pm

the first "post paxman" poll, 4 % swing to labour

Red Viper · « **Reply #428 on:** March 29, 2015, 09:02:17 am »

Ha, I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me when I read that as 'Fib Dem'

MichaelA · « **Reply #429 on:** March 29, 2015, 09:50:15 am »

Quote from: Trada on March 29, 2015, 12:45:21 am

I really think the SNP are the way forward.

Far Left and fucking say it.

I would vote for them if I could.

Maybe Trident can be put in Milton Keynes.

They're not far left.

Trada · « **Reply #430 on:** March 29, 2015, 09:53:37 am »

IDS on the Marr show what a joke Apparently they are yet to decide if it's 'relevant' to tell voters how they'll make £12bn welfare savings before the election.

Trada · « **Reply #431 on:** March 29, 2015, 09:54:23 am »

Quote from: MichaelA on March 29, 2015, 09:50:15 am

They're not far left.

They are compared to Labour right now.

MichaelA · « **Reply #432 on:** March 29, 2015, 09:57:01 am »

Quote from: Trada on March 29, 2015, 09:54:23 am

They are compared to Labour right now.

They're really not mate.

Trada · « **Reply #433 on:** March 29, 2015, 10:08:04 am »

Quote from: MichaelA on March 29, 2015, 09:57:01 am

They're really not mate.

You just have to look at their policies about the NHS and Trident nuclear weapons

reniformis · « **Reply #434 on:** March 29, 2015, 10:15:26 am »

Quote from: MichaelA on March 29, 2015, 09:57:01 am

They're really not mate.

Seriously though, pro-EU, pro-public services, anti-austerity, anti-privatising the NHS, anti-house of lords, anti-trident, no tuition fees, no prescription charges, devolution of power from Westminster, they're certainly doing a very good impersonation of what I expect the Labour Party to be. I'd be happier with the SNP representing my interests at Westminster than any of the five parties I'm allowed to vote for.

Commie Bobbie · « **Reply #435 on:** March 29, 2015, 11:33:20 am »

Quote from: Trada on March 29, 2015, 12:45:21 am

I really think the SNP are the way forward.

Far Left and fucking say it.

I would vote for them if I could.

Maybe Trident can be put in Milton Keynes.

Correct! Would love to see them in government. If only to see some Home Counties types go fucking ape shit.

TepidT2O · « **Reply #436 on:** March 29, 2015, 11:34:45 am »

Brace yourselves here .....
This Peter Hitchens article raises some very salient points...
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2015/03/is-slippery-salmond-secretly-trying-to-get-dave-elected.html

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Is slippery Salmond secretly trying to get Dave elected?
This is Peter Hitchens's Mail on Sunday column

Salmond

This has been a week of memorable fakery. A Muslim Tory parliamentary candidate was caught colluding with ultra-nationalists to try to look good. The Government hatched a sneaky and dishonourable plot to destroy the Speaker, for daring to stand up to them.

So it seems to me to be worth asking if David Cameron and Alex Salmond are secretly working together.

The Tories claim to be outraged that the Scottish Nationalists say they will deny them a majority. Why? They have no divine right to rule.

Isn’t all this shouting too loud to be true? And the SNP’s voters, who can’t stand the Tories, would never forgive their leaders if they propped up a Cameron government.

The SNP is under no obligation to help the Tories into office, though you might get that impression from the toady Blairite media who have adopted David Cameron, the self-proclaimed heir to Blair, as their last best hope.

This, by the way, explains why Islington lefties and the BBC are so fervently backing David Cameron against Ed Miliband – and is one of the reasons why I am seriously thinking of registering to vote for the first time in 30 years, and casting my ballot for Labour.

The fashionable Left’s loathing of Mr Miliband, and the incessant spiteful bullying and belittling of this man by much of my trade, make me want to stand up for him against this nasty mob, even though I disagree with him about almost everything.

At least I actually know what the Labour leader’s true opinions are. This is more than can be said for Mr Cameron, whose real aims are harder to grasp than a lavishly greased piglet.

So you see how the world’s turning upside down. Nothing’s what it seems in this Election. For instance, I think the SNP actually want the Tories to dominate the next government.

That’s why they are so helpfully playing this game in which Labour are damaged by being portrayed as Alex Salmond’s prisoners. If Scotland leaves the UK, Tory hopes of power grow, and Labour’s hopes dwindle.

Though nobody in the Tory high command will openly say this, the Conservative Party knows that its only hope of ever again commanding a Westminster majority and governing alone lies in a Scottish exit from the UK.

Nobody will ever be able to say for certain if the Government’s woeful mishandling of the Scottish issue was deliberate sabotage of the UK or mere incompetence. My own guess is that it was bungled ‘accidentally on purpose’, as we used to say in my childhood. What is certain is that it has brought Scotland closer to departure than anyone could possibly have imagined five years back.

And that one of the many unpleasant shocks waiting for us on the far side of this Election will be the break-up of our country, brought about with many crocodile tears, by the very party that pretends to stand for the Union.

If 'bogey man' Ed did this, we'd all be very sniffy...

Cameron

Have you ever wondered what happened to the vegetables so wantonly sacrificed in the BBC’s carefully stage-managed TV advertisement for David Cameron?

Keen-eyed viewers will have noted the Prime Minister twice giving his nose a jolly good wipe with the back of his hand, as he chopped away at his groceries. Just imagine what would have happened to Ed Miliband if he’d done that: action replays and front-page pictures for days.

But Ed is a target, and Dave isn’t.

So I very much hope that the poor vegetables, so unhygienically treated, ended in the slop bucket, rather than being fed to the Camerons’ innocent children.

But there were other vegetables present. What did the BBC reporter, James Landale, think he was doing, joining in this shameless performance by subserviently tending to a lettuce? He might as well have knelt and done up Mr Cameron’s shoes for him, or some other fagging duty.

If Tory High Command want to make a TV commercial for their leader, in which he pretends to be the normal bloke he most certainly is not (normal people don’t become Prime Ministers, trust me) , then good luck to them. But the BBC should play no part in such fictions.

The kitchen in which they stood was not a normal kitchen in a normal home. Leave aside the armed guards outside. Can we doubt that every action was choreographed, and that every object in it was carefully placed to promote an image? What’s more, you and I pretty much paid for it.

For nearly eight years, in a piece of cheek still widely unknown to the public, the far-from-poor Camerons claimed £1,700 a month, tax-free, in Parliamentary expenses to pay the mortgage interest on this, their Oxfordshire village home.

This made Mr Cameron (who had another home only 70 miles away) one of the highest claimers of housing expenses in Parliament. While it’s good to see inside the house the taxpayer provided, at last, mightn’t a question on this subject have been in order, under the circumstances? Instead the First Lord of the Treasury was asked if it was a handicap to be posh.

Meanwhile, over on the equally impartial Channel 4 and Sky, Jeremy Paxman got clean away with asking Ed Miliband the insulting and patronising question: ‘Are you all right, Ed?’

I was pleased to see that Mr Miliband gave as good as he got. But is this what politics has come to? It seems so.

Elmo! · « **Reply #437 on:** March 29, 2015, 11:54:18 am »

Quote from: MichaelA on March 29, 2015, 09:57:01 am

They're really not mate.

Not far left but certainly to the left of Labour.

Red Beret · « **Reply #438 on:** March 29, 2015, 01:02:18 pm »

Quote from: That Kennedy moment on March 29, 2015, 12:29:03 am

I doubt UKIP will win more than two seats in this election - probably east coast Tory seats, in Lincolnshire, Essex or Kent, most likely. But in a GE this tight, this could be crucial.

It certainly is a fascinating period of British politics - at least to an outside observer who doesn't have to shit bricks worrying over the Tories.

Consider: it's long ago been established that this is a battle to win the most seats, not to achieve an outright majority. It is the who and how a government will be formed. We've not seen a situation like this in British politics for a century.

The significant issue is that it is clear Cameron has failed to command the confidence of the nation, and even his own party. Whether he acknowledges it or not, he's presided - in GOVERNMENT - over his own "gang of four" moment. The Tories now face the same vote-splitting turbulence the Liberal Party experienced against the newly established Labour Party; as Labour faced against the SDP/Alliance.

It's little surprise that there are a LOT of confused voters out there.

reniformis · « **Reply #439 on:** March 29, 2015, 01:10:54 pm »

Quote from: Tepid water on March 29, 2015, 11:34:45 am

Brace yourselves here .....
This Peter Hitchens article raises some very salient points...
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2015/03/is-slippery-salmond-secretly-trying-to-get-dave-elected.html

Sorry, but no. That article stinks of 'I hope we lose the derby so Hodgson gets sacked but the mancs want the blueshite to win and I don't want either of them to be happy'. I can't see under what circumstances the SNP are more likely to gain concessions for Scotland from a majority Tory government than a minority Labour one.