Topic: Terrorism Incident outside UK Parliament

[Cliff Bastin]

The hate preaching does happen on the street. Plenty of videos of it happening. Freedom and speech and all but it kind of takes the piss.

[FlashGordon]

I'm afraid you've taken my on the street quote too literally.  Perhaps I should have made myself more clearer. When I said on the street I meant
Mosques,  homes,  etc. Although I gather there were preachers on the street at the Finsbury Park mosque.  Indeed I gather the hate preachers were even praying on the street

What has that got to do with anything? Would be horrified if you saw a priest praying on the side of a street?

[dirkster]

What has that got to do with anything? Would be horrified if you saw a priest praying on the side of a street?

Yes I would be if he was also a hate preacher

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

he's either Asian or Black - if you can think of another motivation for the act feel free to say what it is, but I'm quite happy to say it's Islamic terrorism.

Are we saying that all Asian and black criminals are Islamic terrorists here?

[Iska]

Do you think that's what he's saying?

[classycarra]

Are we saying that all Asian and black criminals are Islamic terrorists here?

Don't be daft. His point is perfectly clear, and very obviously not that. Not sure why you edited, except to shoehorn in your point

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Ah okay. So we can make sweeping generalisations based on race. Noted.

[FlashGordon]

Yes I would be if he was also a hate preacher

Preaching hate and praying are two different things though. I'm no fan of religion and think they should all be scrapped but as long as that isn't the case then there should be nothing wrong with anyone wanting to pray to whatever god they like on the street. Preaching hate shouldn't be allowed but no need to bring praying in to it.

[classycarra]

Ah okay. So we can make sweeping generalisations based on race. Noted.

You struggle with reading comprehension, not once but twice? Noted

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

You struggle with reading comprehension, not once but twice? Noted

 

[zero zero]

I usually talk bollocks.  I think this confuses people

Not been the same since the ukelele incident.

[Conocinico]

Given the history of British involvement in the Middle East then there would be any amount of history enough to plant 'a seed' without any hate preachers getting involved. That's not to condone or excuse any of what's happened, but at the end of the day we're never gonna have peace in the world if we (namely all people of any nationality, religion or creed) if we keep acting as if it's only ever the 'other guy' who's done anything wrong.

These barbarians aren't keen students of history, they're keen students of the Quran.

[dirkster]

Preaching hate and praying are two different things though. I'm no fan of religion and think they should all be scrapped but as long as that isn't the case then there should be nothing wrong with anyone wanting to pray to whatever god they like on the street. Preaching hate shouldn't be allowed but no need to bring praying in to it.

I appreciate what you're saying in a general sense, but when you see Abu Hamza in the news praying on the street, well...... 

[west_london_red]

Ah okay. So we can make sweeping generalisations based on race. Noted.

Most muslims in this country are Asian or Black.

I am not aware of any Asian or Black people carrying out acts of terror in this country not associated with Islamism but am happy to be corrected.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Most muslims in this country are Asian or Black.

I am not aware of any Asian or Black people carrying out acts of terror in this country not associated with Islamism but am happy to be corrected.

You are probably correct but not all Asians or black people are muslims. Could just be a crazy guy, which is how it would be explained if it was a white Christian. We shall see.

[west_london_red]

You are probably correct but not all Asians or black people are muslims. Could just be a crazy guy, which is how it would be explained if it was a white Christian. We shall see.

Considering I am Asian myself but not Muslim, I am very aware that not all Asians are Muslim despite the media making terms almost interchangeable these days.

[TepidT2O]

Not been the same since the ukelele incident.

You know what, many years ago there was actually an incident with a banjo, but this isn't the thread for it.

[classycarra]

You are probably correct but not all Asians or black people are muslims. Could just be a crazy guy, which is how it would be explained if it was a white Christian. We shall see.

Funny, a minute ago you were opposed to generalising

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Funny, a minute ago you were opposed to generalising

Pardon?

[Trada]

 Emma Graham-Harrison‏ @_EmmaGH 1m1 minute ago

Toll from Westminster attack has risen to five dead -- 3 members of public, one police officer and attacker -- and 40 injured

[Cliff Bastin]

RIP PC Keith Palmer and all the innocent victims. The terrorist can rot.

[classycarra]

Pardon?

Can't you just read my post again? It's written, not a conversation. Here you go though.

Ah okay. So we can make sweeping generalisations based on race. Noted.

Could just be a crazy guy, which is how it would be explained if it was a white Christian.

[elsewhere]

The scary part about terrorism nowadays is they don't need automatic guns or bombs to do such attacks.
Attacks in Nice and Berlin showed as long as they are able to drive and have access to a truck/car to do that. I've read recently that ISIS used to ask their new recruits to come to Syria for full trainings but now that truck attacks are working for them, terrorists are asked to stay wherever they are and wait for their signal/turn. I am thinking ways how this can be prevented but can not come up with answers.

[classycarra]

The scary part about terrorism nowadays is they don't need automatic guns or bombs to do such attacks.
Attacks in Nice and Berlin showed as long as they are able to drive and have access to a truck/car to do that. I've read recently that ISIS used to ask their new recruits to come to Syria for full trainings but now that truck attacks are working for them, terrorists are asked to stay wherever they are and wait for their signal/turn. I am thinking ways how this can be prevented but can not come up with answers.

And attacks in Israel, prior to Nice and Berlin, so numerous they can't be narrowed down even when referred to by city

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Can't you just read my post again? It's written, not a conversation. Here you go though.

Confrontational much? I have no reading comprehension, remember.

Anyway.. Still not seeing your point. If anything, I was pointing out another generalisation that would be made, not supporting it. But you have developed a problem with me, and that's fine.

Have a good night.

[harryc]

The scary part about terrorism nowadays is they don't need automatic guns or bombs to do such attacks.
Attacks in Nice and Berlin showed as long as they are able to drive and have access to a truck/car to do that. I've read recently that ISIS used to ask their new recruits to come to Syria for full trainings but now that truck attacks are working for them, terrorists are asked to stay wherever they are and wait for their signal/turn. I am thinking ways how this can be prevented but can not come up with answers.

I'm thinking we should have given tickets to all those who wanted to go out to Syria a free airline ticket.

Give them their wish of meeting their maker in Syria.

[classycarra]

Confrontational much? I have no reading comprehension, remember.

Anyway.. Still not seeing your point. If anything, I was pointing out another generalisation that would be made, not supporting it. But you have developed a problem with me, and that's fine.

Have a good night.

Apologies if I went too far confronting you, I was just conscious that you were misrepresenting W_L_R and so felt I should say something.

Was just about to bow out myself. I have no problem with you, and apologise for taking this off track.

[dirkster]

I'm thinking we should have given tickets to all those who wanted to go out to Syria a free airline ticket.

Give them their wish of meeting their maker in Syria.

Yes but the problem we don't have any power to stop those who wish to come back

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Apologies if I went too far confronting you, I was just conscious that you were misrepresenting W_L_R and so felt I should say something.

Was just about to bow out myself. I have no problem with you, and apologise for taking this off track.

 

[The North Bank]

I'm thinking we should have given tickets to all those who wanted to go out to Syria a free airline ticket.

Give them their wish of meeting their maker in Syria.

What about the hundreds who get blown up on a weekley basis in Iraq and Syria, those innocent people that we will be transporting our home  grown terrorists to. Granted they are Muslim and born in a hell hole so no one cares about them, because they are not in London Paris or Israel. But I dont think we should add to their misery by sending them what savages that lurk in our communities.

[FlashGordon]

What about the hundreds who get blown up on a weekley basis in Iraq and Syria, those innocent people that we will be transporting our home  grown terrorists to. Granted they are Muslim and born in a hell hole so no one cares about them, because they are not in London Paris or Israel. But I dont think we should add to their misery by sending them what savages that lurk in our communities.

Exactly this, stinks of let them go out there and kill other innocent people as long as it isn't our innocent people being killed then it's all good. What about if one of those c*nts kills a foreign journalist or aid worker, would he feel bad then?

[zero zero]

You know what, many years ago there was actually an incident with a banjo, but this isn't the thread for it.

The infamous snapped banjo string? Still brings tears to my eyes.

[Wabaloolah]

The MO has Islamist written all over it, and as crude as it sounds from the pictures of the body of the guy who carried out the act he's either Asian or Black - if you can think of another motivation for the act feel free to say what it is, but I'm quite happy to say it's Islamic terrorism.

agreed and confirmed by Mark Rowley earlier

[zero zero]

The scary part about terrorism nowadays is they don't need automatic guns or bombs to do such attacks.
Attacks in Nice and Berlin showed as long as they are able to drive and have access to a truck/car to do that. I've read recently that ISIS used to ask their new recruits to come to Syria for full trainings but now that truck attacks are working for them, terrorists are asked to stay wherever they are and wait for their signal/turn. I am thinking ways how this can be prevented but can not come up with answers.

Personally, I found the threat of suicide bombers much worse. It's not like I'm going to adjust my behaviour tomorrow because of the threat of people driving.

[Wabaloolah]

The scary part about terrorism nowadays is they don't need automatic guns or bombs to do such attacks.
Attacks in Nice and Berlin showed as long as they are able to drive and have access to a truck/car to do that. I've read recently that ISIS used to ask their new recruits to come to Syria for full trainings but now that truck attacks are working for them, terrorists are asked to stay wherever they are and wait for their signal/turn. I am thinking ways how this can be prevented but can not come up with answers.

you can't stop it unless you ban vehicles from City Centres but then they'd find other soft targets.

Nuke the Middle East is probably going to be Trump's answer!

[harryc]

What about the hundreds who get blown up on a weekley basis in Iraq and Syria, those innocent people that we will be transporting our home  grown terrorists to. Granted they are Muslim and born in a hell hole so no one cares about them, because they are not in London Paris or Israel. But I dont think we should add to their misery by sending them what savages that lurk in our communities.

Harsh as it may be but it makes no difference as there is already a war going on there. And according to the nutters they are looking for a last stand against the West, where there will be the great battle of their time. Let's give them what they want.

Maybe you might think again if your brother, sister or son was walking along Westminster Bridge just as my boy was fortunately an hour before the incident!

[jackh]

A group of Edge Hill students on a trip to Parliament were on the Bridge during today's attack - it seems a couple of injuries but no physical injuries that seemed too serious (obviously acknowledging that coming home with any sort of injury is very sad in itself).

Thought it worth mentioning on here, as I'm sure many posters/readers will have connections with the University.  I myself worked there until recently, but don't believe I would know the member of staff who was leading the trip.

Edge Hill University‏ @edgehill  6h
Westminster update: All students and lecturer in Westminster have been accounted for and are being supported by the University.

[killer-heels]

Harsh as it may be but it makes no difference as there is already a war going on there. And according to the nutters they are looking for a last stand against the West, where there will be the great battle of their time. Let's give them what they want.

Maybe you might think again if your brother, sister or son was walking along Westminster Bridge just as my boy was fortunately an hour before the incident!

You would presume people who wanted to go to Syria who were prevented get flagged up on some terror watch list?

[Crosby Nick]

You would presume people who wanted to go to Syria who were prevented get flagged up on some terror watch list?

Hope your sister got home safe.

[killer-heels]

Hope your sister got home safe.

Yeah she was fine but had to stay in parliament for ages, which of course isnt an issue whatsoever.

I felt sorry for those parents who kids were visiting and were kept there for a long time. They must have been beside themselves with panic.