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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1760 on: April 16, 2017, 08:02:18 pm »
Sorry bud but if youre comparing this guy to Busquets, then its delusional in the extreme.

I could throw in his frequent  fuck ups against Leicester, Bournemouth and Stoke to counter the assist/ goal ratio which is admittedly good.

 My point is and has always been he's just not that influential otherwise.

I've never heard of 3 errors (two that I think are real) across twenty odd games being described as 'frequent' before.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1761 on: April 16, 2017, 08:21:56 pm »
Bet, you were delighted at the end though when he got hold of the ball, did a couple of pirouettes and refused to give the ball to the hapless Moreno.
Not sure why anyone would be delighted in anything but a positive  for LFC (by slagging off another LFC player) but hey ho.

People know my views on him, others seem to think the sun shines out of his arse.

I personally want him to do better going forward and if that means me eating humble pie then great. Lets see anyhow.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1762 on: April 16, 2017, 08:26:30 pm »
Not sure why anyone would be delighted in anything but a positive  for LFC (by slagging off another LFC player) but hey ho.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1763 on: April 16, 2017, 11:27:01 pm »
What a player we have on our hands , does the dirty work perfectly.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1764 on: April 17, 2017, 12:50:30 am »
Thanks Fitzy its actually nice for someone to post what they see about this guy which is far from what I do.
But what do I know Ive only been watching the likes of Gerrard, Souness, Mcmahon,Whelan, Alonso,Molby, Mascherano (oh and John Barnes as someone bizarelly mentioned) and many more over the last 40 years or so, maybe Im expecting too much...



The fact that you include Whelan in such an illustrious group of past players clearly indicates that you understood and appreciated what he brought to the team. It therefore baffles me that you cannot see the similarities in Wijnaldum. He has all the attributes of a CM in circulating the ball playing simple passes. Sure- he can get ahead of the ball more often but I believe that he is playing to instructions and doesn't run ahead as we would like. Insofar as making mistakes are concerned- all players do. He has had a good first season and fits in and complements the team.



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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1765 on: April 17, 2017, 04:08:48 am »
Cant recall too often he takes a man on and beats him. He's not particularly a good tackler.
He has a good passing % but its primarily short, he hardly ever takes a risk.

I figured this was the issue with people that don't rate him, and I don't want to be rude but it seems for some people the last 50 odd years of development in modern football has just completely passed them by.

Tackling is a act of desperation, it means you have already done something wrong, you were out of position, you didn't use your brain, so you have to go to ground and take yourself out of the game in a attempt to make up for your failings, perhaps it looks exciting when it works but think of all the times it goes wrong, and the consequences. The same goes for beating a man, if you are in the right position and you are aware of where your team mates are then why attempt to beat a man when you know that if you use your brain you can bypass that person completely and take them out of the game. Taking on a man and beating him looks exciting when it goes right but more often than not it doesn't, and then you have taken yourself out of the game again, meaning you have to make a desperate attempt to recover, and tackle, and risk a card for being late or you cause trouble for your team mates.

There is a reason the rest of the world moved on from those ideas decades ago, and the Dutch were at the forefront of that revolution. Gini will have been drilled from a very young age to use his head, and to keep his head up, to know where his team mates are and to position himself accordingly. He will also have been drilled over and over to understand that it is a team game, and not simply a game for individual heroics.

I can remember one tackle Gini made, and one or two risky long ball passes in all the Liverpool games I have seen him play. The tackle was when there was no other choice and nobody to cover in a important game where not tackling would have led to a disastrous situation for the defence, the one risky long ball I remember in particular was in a important game near the end when we needed a goal to prevent disaster, the pass was perfect and resulted in a assist by the person he passed to. It is not that he can't take risks or showboat, it is just that he has been drilled since he was a child to know that one should do that only when there are no other options, when not taking a risk is riskier than taking the risk.

Gini is a incredibly intelligent footballer who fulfils his role with dedication, and I think that the people that can't see what he brings to the team need to ask themselves if they are being realistic about what they seem to want from a central midfielder, and if they want a solid central midfield behind the fluid attacking genius we have. Maybe it is just me but I think it is self evident that if one wants a flowing creative attack in a team that plays exciting football due to defending by attacking then you have to have a player (or three) like Gini doing the "dirty" but unspectacular hard work.

The way I see it the more some people think Gini had a "invisible" game the better we have played as a team, if he seems invisible to you I will probably think that he did his job perfectly.
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1766 on: April 17, 2017, 04:21:12 am »
I think Wijnaldum is statistically actually a pretty underwhelming player, ironically except in goals and assists. The number of tackles, interceptions, key passes, dribbles and shots per game are all nothing to write home about.

That makes him an oddly invisible player in terms of his influence, if you're not watching for the right things. He's critical for our game offensively, for both his ability to receive the ball in tight positions and offload to available on-running players, and defensively for his ability to do the same when we're pressed and need to recycle. His agility and strength make him indispensable for these situations.

He's also got a decent pass on him and I think will assist with the occasional through ball. But much more importantly, he has a shitload of energy and willingness to get forward and provide numbers going forward. His goals and assists have been more about his ability off the ball, to arrive at the right place and time to delivery a simple assist or score a tap-in/header than his ability to necessarily score a screamer.

I think he's almost perfect for how we play. If he could up his tackling/interceptions, OR score just a few more, he'd be just about perfect. But at the moment his contribution can lend him to being an unsung hero, similar to Lallana last season,when his pressing stats were out of the world but all people could see was that he wasn't hitting 10 goals 10 assists as a forward.

I do think he could be even better though. Comparisons with someone like Gundogan are apt (although Wijnaldum is without a doubt a better defensive player by a mile). He's similar, and if we want to win the league, we could use a bit more from him. Either defensively or offensively.

The hope is he'll kick on and get better next season like Lallana this season,instead of getting largely worse for a long stretch like Can or Origi
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1767 on: April 17, 2017, 09:58:58 am »
His first touch is amazing. The amount of times he receives a pass and doesn't have to break stride is great to see. Keeps the attacks flowing nicely

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1768 on: April 17, 2017, 10:19:54 am »
He doesn't need more goals/assists/tackles. We need him to see more of the ball, or a player in his position who will for certain games, and be more progressive with it.  At the moment our defence bar Clyne and deepest midfielder see a lot more of the ball than him, no matter who it is in those roles. If we're going to continue to be so ball dominant that needs to shift. Either through Klopp's tactics or personal. I don't think many other top sides have a player in that position see significantly less passes than their centre backs.

He's been perfect for some games though and a great option to have.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1769 on: April 17, 2017, 08:06:58 pm »
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1770 on: April 18, 2017, 12:22:45 am »
He doesn't need more goals/assists/tackles. We need him to see more of the ball, or a player in his position who will for certain games, and be more progressive with it.  At the moment our defence bar Clyne and deepest midfielder see a lot more of the ball than him, no matter who it is in those roles. If we're going to continue to be so ball dominant that needs to shift. Either through Klopp's tactics or personal. I don't think many other top sides have a player in that position see significantly less passes than their centre backs.

He's been perfect for some games though and a great option to have.

Actually, it's not uncommon for CBs to have a higher pass/game stat than CMs.

Consider Barcelona:

Mascherano passes 71.6 times per game, vs 48.4 for Rakitic, 44.2 for Iniesta and 61.7 for Busquets.

In fact, the more further forward a player plays, typically the less times they will touch the ball, unless they're a deep-lying passer like Henderson. That's just common sense, isn't it?


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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1771 on: April 18, 2017, 03:49:56 pm »
I like Wijnaldum ... but was at the game over the weekend, and felt something missing. Few supporters moaned at his constant safe passes, and not moving into space to demand the ball.

Looking at the stats, once again he had the fewest touches of anyone in our midfield. Quite a fair bit lower too. Fewer touches than our striker too!

I checked some further stats, and it seems to be a common trend in some games. Especially in games we play bad in.

What's going on - is he hiding? Is he not imposing himself on games? Why are the stats showing he has so few touches in some games - surely as a midfielder he should be similar to the other midfielders around him.

Anyone have opinions over this stat ?

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1772 on: April 18, 2017, 09:42:15 pm »
I like Wijnaldum ... but was at the game over the weekend, and felt something missing. Few supporters moaned at his constant safe passes, and not moving into space to demand the ball.

Looking at the stats, once again he had the fewest touches of anyone in our midfield. Quite a fair bit lower too. Fewer touches than our striker too!

I checked some further stats, and it seems to be a common trend in some games. Especially in games we play bad in.

What's going on - is he hiding? Is he not imposing himself on games? Why are the stats showing he has so few touches in some games - surely as a midfielder he should be similar to the other midfielders around him.

Anyone have opinions over this stat ?

Or where we are hoofing it upfield a lot? That could be why he has less touches than Bobby, Phil and Divock on Saturday. 
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1773 on: April 18, 2017, 09:51:18 pm »
I like Wijnaldum ... but was at the game over the weekend, and felt something missing. Few supporters moaned at his constant safe passes, and not moving into space to demand the ball.

Looking at the stats, once again he had the fewest touches of anyone in our midfield. Quite a fair bit lower too. Fewer touches than our striker too!

I checked some further stats, and it seems to be a common trend in some games. Especially in games we play bad in.

What's going on - is he hiding? Is he not imposing himself on games? Why are the stats showing he has so few touches in some games - surely as a midfielder he should be similar to the other midfielders around him.

Anyone have opinions over this stat ?

No idea about the stats, but I thought he was excellent again. He's very composed, very strong, and capable of moving in congested areas. I like him more and more.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1774 on: April 18, 2017, 10:03:21 pm »
Actually, it's not uncommon for CBs to have a higher pass/game stat than CMs.

Consider Barcelona:

Mascherano passes 71.6 times per game, vs 48.4 for Rakitic, 44.2 for Iniesta and 61.7 for Busquets.

In fact, the more further forward a player plays, typically the less times they will touch the ball, unless they're a deep-lying passer like Henderson. That's just common sense, isn't it?
Per 90 is a lot better than per game for measuring this (or any stat) and then it comes out as Masch 78.6, Iniesta 77.7, Busquets 69.7 Rakitic 61.5 Basically Barca get two of their best passers on the ball a lot.


We don't really have that luxury of having 2 world class passers in midfield to share that out either. It's not just a Wijnaldum problem though, I don't think can's good enough on the ball in an advanced position either, but good enough for what we need when deeper. I think if we want to take another step up we need someone of a Silva/Carzola level quality in there and you get that biggest upgrade/upside in the Wijandlum or maybe even the Lallana role, not further back.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1775 on: April 18, 2017, 10:13:26 pm »
I think if we want to take another step up we need someone of a Silva/Carzola level quality in there and you get that biggest upgrade/upside in the Wijandlum or maybe even the Lallana role, not further back.
That won't help if Mignolet and Lovren continue to hoof as much as they do. Against Wba almost every single incomplete forward pass Lovren made was a long ball. He made 3 times as many long balls as Matip. I haven't seen him make any forward passes to Can or Wijnaldum nor do I think he generally has the ability to do so. Our build-up play has been poor entire season and that's where we need to improve before we look at midfielders imo.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1776 on: April 18, 2017, 10:33:49 pm »
That won't help if Mignolet and Lovren continue to hoof as much as they do. Against Wba almost every single incomplete forward pass Lovren made was a long ball. He made 3 times as many long balls as Matip. I haven't seen him make any forward passes to Can or Wijnaldum nor do I think he generally has the ability to do so. Our build-up play has been poor entire season and that's where we need to improve before we look at midfielders imo.
I mean Lovren to Can was our 4th and Lovren's 2nd most common passing combination.  Matip's most common passing combinations were to Lucas, Lovren Clyne and then Wijnaldum for what it's worth.

Getting in a silva/carzola to play in midfield makes us much better going forward than getting a Reina or Hummels.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1777 on: April 18, 2017, 10:40:57 pm »
Yes but then explain why Cann would have so many more touches of the ball than Wijnaldum? They are both effectively playing the same role.

So whilst we can say hoofs mean he has fewer touches, it doesn't explain why Cann or Lucas have more touches. This isn't just this game, it's happened in a few other games where Wijnaldum has been way down on touches. If you look at the games we've lost, his touches compared to people around him have been way down too - so it's a common theme in a fair few games.

I like Wijnaldum. He's really proved alot of us wrong and played well. However, the stats do point to an area he can improve on - namely imposing himself more on games.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1778 on: April 18, 2017, 10:44:51 pm »
I like Wijnaldum. He's really proved alot of us wrong and played well. However, the stats do point to an area he can improve on - namely imposing himself more on games.
Ask our CBs. It's not Gini's fault , he can't pass to himself.

It worked much better in the first half of the season when we were going through him and Lallana much more and our general play was better than how we play in 2017 where for some reason we decided not split our CBs anymore and to hoof much more.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1779 on: April 18, 2017, 11:06:44 pm »
Ask our CBs. It's not Gini's fault , he can't pass to himself.

It worked much better in the first half of the season when we were going through him and Lallana much more and our general play was better than how we play in 2017 where for some reason we decided not split our CBs anymore and to hoof much more.
Some games from the first half of the season where we were expected to be dominant: Leicester Home, 44 passes 9/11 starters. Hull Home, 65 7/11. Swansea away, 45 6/11. Saints away, 48 7/11. Sunderland home, 49 7/11

Last 5 exclduing the City game, again just to see games where we were expected to have a lot of the ball: WBA 45 7/11, Stoke 48 6/11, Bournemouth 36 8/11, Everton 43 5/11, Burnley  43 8/11

He's doesn't seem to be passing the ball that much less recently than he was earlier in the season. Also worth noting that Can passes more than him in all the 5 more recent games and tends to be in our top 5 passers. I tried comparing Lallana to Wijnaldum in the first set but it's a bit messy with early subs, injuries and can playing instead.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1780 on: April 18, 2017, 11:14:05 pm »
Also worth noting that Can passes more than him in all the 5 more recent games and tends to be in our top 5 passers. I tried comparing Lallana to Wijnaldum in the first set but it's a bit messy with early subs, injuries and can playing instead.
You have to keep in mind Can drops deep too often to take the ball of our CBs toes. Theoretically it's not ideal because in perfect scenario you want your two CBs to bring the ball out and then find our two advanced CMs in between opposition lines. It's how you maintain your shape and deal with opposition high press in the best way possible.

Thing that puzzles me is that Wba was the first time this calendar year that we've split our CBs and had our DM between them in our build-up. We should be doing that every single game to make it easier for our CBs to step out and make forward passes through the middle.

I guess it's down to Henderson's absence. In the first part of the season when we were playing what was truly amazing football the pattern was clear - Henderson would drop between our two CBs who would then push forward and make passes into Gini and Lallana on the half turn which allowed us to create that much more space in the final third for our forwards. We really need to get back to this asap.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1781 on: April 19, 2017, 05:46:27 am »
Ask our CBs. It's not Gini's fault , he can't pass to himself.

It worked much better in the first half of the season when we were going through him and Lallana much more and our general play was better than how we play in 2017 where for some reason we decided not split our CBs anymore and to hoof much more.
It goes both ways. If the midfielders don't show, the CBs don't have any option but to go long. I think Gini could do a much better job in this part of our play. He's too easy to mark.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1782 on: April 24, 2017, 11:07:40 am »
He just doesn't do it for me.

Really hope we get a CL spot, so we can entice someone like Naby Keita to replace him.

Sums up the lack of ambition of our fanbase that most are content with him as a starter. He should be a back-up at best.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1783 on: April 24, 2017, 11:10:40 am »
Sums up the lack of ambition of our fanbase that most are content with him as a starter. He should be a back-up at best.

He disappointed me a lot yesterday, but comments like that really do my head in. It's not that our fanbase are lacking ambition, it's that some rate him more highly than others, and he's been very good in most games recently.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1784 on: April 24, 2017, 11:16:18 am »
He disappointed me a lot yesterday, but comments like that really do my head in. It's not that our fanbase are lacking ambition, it's that some rate him more highly than others, and he's been very good in most games recently.

Not sure about most games I would say in "some games".

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1785 on: April 24, 2017, 11:17:30 am »
it's that some rate him more highly than others, and he's been very good in most games recently.

He has put in some top performances but for the most part, he has been very often anonymous. Personally think most fans are blinded by some critical goals he has scored in big games. Goals usually cloud fans judgement.

His general performances are just not dominant enough. He needs to impose himself on a game far more than he does.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1786 on: April 24, 2017, 11:18:37 am »
He didn't play bad first half went missing second

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1787 on: April 24, 2017, 11:21:21 am »
He didn't play bad first half went missing second
yep

thats it in a nutshell

i love gini but second half he didnt do anything
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1788 on: April 24, 2017, 11:27:06 am »
Not sure about most games I would say in "some games".

I would say most games seen as he was out player of the month last month and has played well since apart from yesterday.

He has put in some top performances but for the most part, he has been very often anonymous. Personally think most fans are blinded by some critical goals he has scored in big games. Goals usually cloud fans judgement.

His general performances are just not dominant enough. He needs to impose himself on a game far more than he does.

Goals are pretty useful, especially when they decide big games.
I agree to an extent about his shortcomings, but no one's settling for moediocrity by rating him more highly than you do just of a differing opinion, that was my issue with your initial comment.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1789 on: April 24, 2017, 11:33:41 am »
yep

thats it in a nutshell

i love gini but second half he didnt do anything

Seems to be the story of the season. He's played quite well in a lot of games but at crucial times and in important games when we are struggling then he seems to go missing. Really needs to work on his consistency. I think he's a type of player that would struggle in this sort of game. We weren't able to work any good passing patterns to cut them open and so GIni couldn't really get into advanced areas to receive the ball. A lot of our movement was led by individuals driving forward (mainly Phil). We definitely need a bit more variety in our midfield. Between Can, Henderson and Wijnaldum I think it is all a bit samey.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1790 on: April 24, 2017, 11:36:03 am »
Seems to be the story of the season. He's played quite well in a lot of games but at crucial times and in important games when we are struggling then he seems to go missing. Really needs to work on his consistency. I think he's a type of player that would struggle in this sort of game. We weren't able to work any good passing patterns to cut them open and so GIni couldn't really get into advanced areas to receive the ball. A lot of our movement was led by individuals driving forward (mainly Phil). We definitely need a bit more variety in our midfield. Between Can, Henderson and Wijnaldum I think it is all a bit samey.
i actually forgot he was playing at one point, considering he is probably my favorite player that is saying something.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1791 on: April 24, 2017, 11:48:06 am »
Seems to be the story of the season. He's played quite well in a lot of games but at crucial times and in important games when we are struggling then he seems to go missing. Really needs to work on his consistency. I think he's a type of player that would struggle in this sort of game. We weren't able to work any good passing patterns to cut them open and so GIni couldn't really get into advanced areas to receive the ball. A lot of our movement was led by individuals driving forward (mainly Phil). We definitely need a bit more variety in our midfield. Between Can, Henderson and Wijnaldum I think it is all a bit samey.

I'm genuinely interested - when you say 'this type of game' ... what type of game do you mean?
On the face of it isn't it exactly the kind of game a player like him needs to do really well in? as in... we're home against inferior opposition - shouldn't we expect him (or whoever is the most advanced of the midfield 3) to excel?

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1792 on: April 24, 2017, 12:04:09 pm »
When he was at Newcastle, Gini was known as an ok, if inconsistent player, who went missing in games (especially away from home).

We've spent £25m to bring him here, and isn't that what we've got? He's played ok in some games, scored a couple of vital goals, but (in my opinion) we need better quality midfielders in we are serious about consistently challenging at the top of the table.  To be 'ok' is not good enough for a club like Liverpool.  The fact that he's first choice, with no one on the bench to challenge his positition and force him to improve or risk being dropped, says a lot about our squad.

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« Reply #1793 on: April 24, 2017, 12:19:00 pm »
When he was at Newcastle, Gini was known as an ok, if inconsistent player, who went missing in games (especially away from home).

We've spent £25m to bring him here, and isn't that what we've got? He's played ok in some games, scored a couple of vital goals, but (in my opinion) we need better quality midfielders in we are serious about consistently challenging at the top of the table.  To be 'ok' is not good enough for a club like Liverpool.  The fact that he's first choice, with no one on the bench to challenge his positition and force him to improve or risk being dropped, says a lot about our squad.

Absolutely fine with us spending £25m on him and him being a squad player next season. Wheel him out for the games vs the top 6 when he's great. But otherwise just have him be sat on the bench.

Would be good value still at £25m if he does that.

If he's playing/starting 30+ league games again next season then I'll be furious. Cos he's not progressive enough.

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« Reply #1794 on: April 24, 2017, 12:38:01 pm »
We don't have the budget to spend £25m on squad/bench players.  He was bought by Klopp to be a first team player (an alternative to Dahoud) and that's exactly what he's been.  But that's the problem - he shouldn't be (in my opinion!).

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« Reply #1795 on: April 24, 2017, 12:54:49 pm »
He has put in some top performances but for the most part, he has been very often anonymous. Personally think most fans are blinded by some critical goals he has scored in big games. Goals usually cloud fans judgement.

His general performances are just not dominant enough. He needs to impose himself on a game far more than he does.

This is hilarious. The initial criticisms of him was that he didn't score enough. Now it has come full circle so that his goals are covering up his limitations and clouding judgement of  him? :)

Our whole team were not at their best on Sunday. Klopp made 3 substitutions and Gini wasn't one of them (but both wingbacks were). We had defenders making errors, an invisible striker, and our front 3 produced a grand total of no shots on goal. Can missed a great chance. But Gini let us down?

You could have plugged anyone else in there and it would not have made much difference.
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« Reply #1796 on: April 24, 2017, 01:04:19 pm »
This is hilarious. The initial criticisms of him was that he didn't score enough. Now it has come full circle so that his goals are covering up his limitations and clouding judgement of  him? :)

Our whole team were not at their best on Sunday. Klopp made 3 substitutions and Gini wasn't one of them (but both wingbacks were). We had defenders making errors, an invisible striker, and our front 3 produced a grand total of no shots on goal. Can missed a great chance. But Gini let us down?

You could have plugged anyone else in there and it would not have made much difference.
I'm sorry, but I don't agree with that statement in the slightest.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1797 on: April 24, 2017, 01:05:37 pm »
We don't have the budget to spend £25m on squad/bench players.  He was bought by Klopp to be a first team player (an alternative to Dahoud) and that's exactly what he's been.  But that's the problem - he shouldn't be (in my opinion!).

We do, and we should be doing it.

Lovren another example, Benteke should still be sat on our bench.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #1798 on: April 24, 2017, 01:17:42 pm »
We do, and we should be doing it.

Lovren another example, Benteke should still be sat on our bench.

Hilariously... if you like gallows counter factual humour.. if we'd kept Benteke sat on our bench we would have won 1-0 yesterday (hypothetically) as he couldn't have scored thereby making  CL qualification more certain so there's your 25 million + back right there in CL money...... and you'd still have him to sell this summer......MONEYBALL

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« Reply #1799 on: April 24, 2017, 01:28:09 pm »
Hilariously... if you like gallows counter factual humour.. if we'd kept Benteke sat on our bench we would have won 1-0 yesterday (hypothetically) as he couldn't have scored thereby making  CL qualification more certain so there's your 25 million + back right there in CL money...... and you'd still have him to sell this summer......MONEYBALL

There's that, and the fact he scored more goals off the bench than any player in the league last season, is a profile of striker which would help us against low block teams which we've struggled against all season.

Big clubs arent afraid to have money sat on the bench, they do it because it means there's options when they're needed.

Our ambition is non-existent.