Topic: Injury news only thread. *

[PhaseOfPlay]

The fact that they are waiting a week before assessing it suggests that it is rather, quite swollen. Fortunately for Glen he will have been put in a compression cast straight away and will receive the best medical care from our physios but it isn't a good injury and is quite open to reoccurrence.

It is one of the most common though, so the rehab procedures are pretty rote at this stage. Swelling means nothing, though, as different people have different reactions, so the swelling itself doesn't indicate anything. If it's a grade 1, RICE protocol and mobility exercises might be all that's needed. We won't know much until the scans though.

[GrkStav]

Wonder what that high level sprain means. Any experts?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_ankle_sprain

http://www.aofas.org/footcaremd/conditions/ailments-of-the-ankle/Pages/High-Ankle-Sprain.aspx

It's quite serious. Hopefully, Johnson's is of the least serious variety.

[ep1987]

Main thing with high ankle sprains is not to come back too soon, playing through it after four weeks will cause the problem to linger. Probably out 6-10 weeks depending on severity.

[GrkStav]

By the way, has there been an official announcement of the diagnosis and prognosis of Ally Cissokho's injury?

[Welshred]

By the way, has there been an official announcement of the diagnosis and prognosis of Ally Cissokho's injury?

Ankle sprain I believe, think it was released last week. Out for about 6 weeks.

[newterp]

6 weeks for Cissokho.

Good thing we have 2 weeks of the int'l break to help the recovery time.  Of course we need to hope for no new injury concerns...... 

[Thog]

By the way, has there been an official announcement of the diagnosis and prognosis of Ally Cissokho's injury?

If he rests or has an operation, it will be 4-6 weeks.

[PhaseOfPlay]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_ankle_sprain

http://www.aofas.org/footcaremd/conditions/ailments-of-the-ankle/Pages/High-Ankle-Sprain.aspx

It's quite serious. Hopefully, Johnson's is of the least serious variety.

It's not really that serious of itself. It depends on the grade, and the rehab programme. The AITF Ligament is the most commonly sprained ligament in the body, so the treatment for it and the post-diagnosis protocols are well known. For a top athlete, with top facilities and near-24-hour care, the prognosis for recovery is better than for the general population, especially with regard to the existing physical state of the affected limb in the first place. Until we know what grade of strain it is, 6-8 weeks is probably a good estimate, but if it's a light Grade 1, then he could be back soon after the international break. If it's a Grade 3, he could be out for the season. It's too early to speculate on the seriousness of the injury itself, but any sprain of the AITF ligament is both common and highly treatable if it is Grade 1. It won't do us to worry and speculate until we all know the extent.

[rocco]

Delete thread their bad luck

[DeLeiva]

Gutted for Johno.

He was immense against the Mancs, his a Skrtel's partnership was key to the win.

[GrkStav]

It's not really that serious of itself. It depends on the grade, and the rehab programme. The AITF Ligament is the most commonly sprained ligament in the body, so the treatment for it and the post-diagnosis protocols are well known. For a top athlete, with top facilities and near-24-hour care, the prognosis for recovery is better than for the general population, especially with regard to the existing physical state of the affected limb in the first place. Until we know what grade of strain it is, 6-8 weeks is probably a good estimate, but if it's a light Grade 1, then he could be back soon after the international break. If it's a Grade 3, he could be out for the season. It's too early to speculate on the seriousness of the injury itself, but any sprain of the AITF ligament is both common and highly treatable if it is Grade 1. It won't do us to worry and speculate until we all know the extent.

Ok, 6-8 weeks at minimum? Or is 2 weeks? If it's two weeks, that's better than a regular ankle sprain.

Anyway, let's hope that it's of the least serious variety. It looked 'textbook' in retrospect.

[TepidT2O]

My guess is that it's grade 1.

Although in pain, he got up and hobbled around on it.  My guess is that he would have been in considerably worse pain had in been grade two or three.  That's my guess anyway

[PhaseOfPlay]

My guess is that it's grade 1.

Although in pain, he got up and hobbled around on it.  My guess is that he would have been in considerably worse pain had in been grade two or three.  That's my guess anyway

If it was Grade 3, he wouldn't have got up at all.

If he was Jimmy Case, they would have had to invent a Grade 5

[MobileBayRed]

not for nothing, but if we have to lineup at Swansea with Wisdom, Toure, Sakho and Enrique, that would seriously be one big brick shithouse of a defense.

[AshTJ]

Toure can fill in at right-back, allowing Agger and Sakho to both play centrally.

He played there vs West Ham last season when Zabaleta was rested.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/IeuKpYS2_EM?fs=1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/IeuKpYS2_EM?fs=1</a>

Jarvis had the better of him at times for pace (only just) at a time where he wasn't playing regulary at all, so to be expected, but it was a solid performance. Experience was telling, held his position well as you'd expect and his touch was impressive for a man who wasn't getting a lot of game time. He showed Jarvis inside a lot despite being a right-footed player on the left, one because of the fact he knew he was outpacing him, and two to restrict crosses into Carroll. He's got a smart head, but we knew that already.

[El Denzel Pepito]

Currently then:

Sturridge: thigh injury - unclear
Johnson: ankle sprain - unclear
Cissokho: ankle injury - 5-6 weeks - misses four games
Allen: hamstring - expected after break
Toure: groin - expected after break, may be slightly longer
Coates: ACL - injured for the season

[El Denzel Pepito]

Currently then:

Sturridge: thigh injury - unclear
Johnson: ankle sprain - unclear
Cissokho: ankle injury - 5-6 weeks - misses four games
Allen: hamstring - expected after break
Toure: groin - expected after break, may be slightly longer
Coates: ACL - injured for the season

Any updates on Sturridge or Toure?

[ThepepeReina]

I had a grade 3 high ankle sprain last october, and immediately knew it was bad, couldnt put any weight on it at all and didnt kick a ball for 5 months. The fact that Jono tried to play on says its no where near that bad, because with bad ones you dont even entertain the thought of playing on.

Pics!

[ThepepeReina]

If it was Grade 3, he wouldn't have got up at all.

If he was Jimmy Case, they would have had to invent a Grade 5

Aye this was me i had to be carried off. Not near a grade 3.

[Fluke]

I had a grade 3 high ankle sprain last october, and immediately knew it was bad, couldnt put any weight on it at all and didnt kick a ball for 5 months. The fact that Jono tried to play on says its no where near that bad, because with bad ones you dont even entertain the thought of playing on.

Whilst it gives me some comfort to hear these testimonials, is it possible that playing on might have aggravated the injury into a more serious one than it was initially? Do sprains work that way?

[ThepepeReina]

Whilst it gives me some comfort to hear these testimonials, is it possible that playing on might have aggravated the injury into a more serious one than it was initially? Do sprains work that way?

Possibly, but from what i recall he never kicked the ball or ran whilst trying to play on did he?

[imnofreak]

A high ankle sprain is usually 4-6 weeks of recovery from what i know.

Yeah I did exactly this to myself last season playing park footy... on crutches for one, in a boot for 2-3 but didn't play again  for about 8 weeks. Mine was quite bad though.

Worst case scenario will be he misses maybe 5-6 games.

But if it's a low grade sprain he'll only miss a couple.

[Terrytibbs]

The fact that they haven't really given us a clear time line yet is probably due to swelling. It must be pretty bad if it's swollen a lot. I've done my ankle in really badly with a partial rupture and I could still get up and hobble. So we just don't know, hopefully it is more of a tweak and he'll be back in about 4-6 weeks, which is a fair while for a sprain still. If it's ruptured he'll be in a cast for a few months.

[DeLeiva]

G Johnson - High Ankle Sprain -  No return date

D Sturridge - Hip/Thigh Injury - 10th Sep 13

A Cissokho - Ankle/Foot Injury - 11th Oct 13

J Allen - Hamstring Injury - 16th Sep 13

K Toure - Groin/Pelvis Injury - no return date

S Coates -ACL Knee Injury - May 14


http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php

[farawayred]

I hope the list doesn't grow longer this weekend, I hate internationals friendlies or not.

[Chris Mullin]

Do any of you know if Sakho is injured or simply not rated highly enough to make the subīs bench for France?

[riismeister]

Do any of you know if Sakho is injured or simply not rated highly enough to make the subīs bench for France?

I'm guessing it's because he hasn't played a minute of competitive football so far this season?

[Macedonian Red Reborn]

Boost for Liverpool as Glen Johnson predicts 'sooner than expected' return

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/8917347/?

[Daniel Cabbaggio]

Good to hear

[cowtownred]

What is this AITF?

Not heard of that one..

[DanA]

Good run with the international friendlies. But for Johnson what is sooner than expected. The club never gave a timeline. I thought 10 weeks was a bit of a blind guess.

[PhaseOfPlay]

What is this AITF?

Not heard of that one..

Anterior Inferior Talo-Fibular ligament

[Barefoot Doctor]

Have there been any recent updates on Allen?

[Thog]

Have there been any recent updates on Allen?

He's been training at Melwood over the course of the international break, Rodgers said he should be fit for Swansea, only grade 1 hamstring strain.

[GrkStav]

Anterior Inferior Talo-Fibular ligament

[PhaseOfPlay]

Tibiofibular! Don't let my Kinesiology professor know I got that wrong lol!

[GrkStav]

What I don't get is the 'inferior' part. Everything else makes sense as the name for the ligament in question. Lower than what? Is there a 'superior' anterior tibiofibular ligament? 

[PhaseOfPlay]

What I don't get is the 'inferior' part. Everything else makes sense as the name for the ligament in question. Lower than what? Is there a 'superior' anterior tibiofibular ligament? 

Good question, but I think the answer is possibly the Interosseous tibiofibular ligament as the "superior" one.

[GrkStav]

Good question, but I think the answer is possibly the Interosseous tibiofibular ligament as the "superior" one.

Well, there you go. There IS a ligament, connecting the same two bones and it is 'superior', i.e. closer to the knee I suppose or 'higher' than the ligament named 'inferior'.

Aren't you glad we cleared that up, then, PoP.

This is must-read, folks, I am sure it will be moved to the relevant thread.

 

For further reading: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&cad=rja&ved=0CF0QFjAK&url=http%3A%2F%2Fsportsperformancecentres.com%2Farticles%2Fscientific%2FSyndesmotic_Injury_or_High_Ankle_Sprain.pdf&ei=7b4zUt6YLsTXiAK6oIGwBw&usg=AFQjCNH6xVWYZhVFHAmcoFNOqqUe0aaSQQ&bvm=bv.52164340,d.cGE

[kavah]

^ the leg bone connected to the knee Bone ...