Topic: The Labour Party (*)

[killer-heels]

Just saw Cat Smith on the news. Jesus wept.

She was incredible.

Some of these people are the same coin as Trump, just a different side.

[killer-heels]

How many safe seats do Labour even have these days? Most of the seats in the north west are fairly secure but outside of those there are perhaps just a dozen or so guaranteed victories for Labour. Wouldn't even be confident about Labour retaining their seats in London; I think the Lib Dems could make some gains there. Backing Brexit is going to be a colossal mistake for generations to come and could've hammered the nail in the Labour coffin.

The London seats are completely safe. They may drop some votes but they wont be lost for decades.

[Gerry Attrick]

The London seats are completely safe. They may drop some votes but they wont be lost for decades.

Wouldn't be so sure myself, most of them voted overwhelmingly to remain.

[Mag Hull]

She was incredible.

Some of these people are the same coin as Trump, just a different side.

Not being funny and it was only during me stream of consciousness reply to Jonno that the penny dropped that there are parallels between Corbyn and Trump - there's something unpalatable about the cult of personality, persecution complex, blaming of unfavourable press coverage, and total ineptitude.

[killer-heels]

Wouldn't be so sure myself, most of them voted overwhelmingly to remain.

Doesnt matter. Many may join the Lib Dems but not enough.

[filopastry]

The London seats are completely safe. They may drop some votes but they wont be lost for decades.

A lot probably are, some will go though.

The likes of Kate Hoey has a seemingly very safe seat but may be vulnerable to the LibDems as a vocal Brexiter in a very Remain area.

Tulip Siddiq obviously nervous about Hampstead and Kilburn, hence the shadow cabinet resignation to vote against Article 50.

There are a fair few battleground seats in outer London.

I certainly wouldn't see a Labour meltdown in London (yet) but they're going to lose seats, pretty much the same as they are anywhere else

[Redman0151]

How many safe seats do Labour even have these days? Most of the seats in the north west are fairly secure but outside of those there are perhaps just a dozen or so guaranteed victories for Labour. Wouldn't even be confident about Labour retaining their seats in London; I think the Lib Dems could make some gains there. Backing Brexit is going to be a colossal mistake for generations to come and could've hammered the nail in the Labour coffin.

North West, Newcastle, London I guess

[filopastry]

You can find a listing of seats held by all parties in order of the majority they had in the 2015 GE, although obviously this doesn't account for how many bother to vote in each seat, or the upcoming proposed boundary changes

http://www.politicsresources.net/area/uk/mps-maj.htm

[Trada]

Maybe if the Copeland CLP had put the candidate Jeremy wanted they might have done better but they choose a Blairite.

[Gerry Attrick]

Maybe if the Copeland CLP had put the candidate Jeremy wanted they might have done better but they choose a Blairite.

You don't believe this, surely?

[Redman0151]

Maybe if the Copeland CLP had put the candidate Jeremy wanted they might have done better but they choose a Blairite.

Are we really still trying to spin this? Look, the evidence has shown for months that Corbyn is rejected across every age range, social class and area of the country. It's not Blair's fault, it's not anybody else's fault but Jeremy Corbyn. He's been totally rejected by everybody outside the party, and if he cared about getting rid of the Torys he'd step down immediately

[TheShanklyGates]

Maybe if the Copeland CLP had put the candidate Jeremy wanted they might have done better but they choose a Blairite.

You can't be serious. You just can't be. At least try and defend why you believe this.

[Dowling10]

Maybe if the Copeland CLP had put the candidate Jeremy wanted they might have done better but they choose a Blairite.

Seriously, come on fella. Try and be objective.

[Mag Hull]

Maybe if the Copeland CLP had put the candidate Jeremy wanted they might have done better but they choose a Blairite.

FFS - can't be doing with the bullshit bingo - please define Blairite so we understand precisely what you mean if you're attempting to insult people - sorry but I'm an empiricist, which I believe is important in this day and age.
In terms of the Labour Party, I think if you go back through this and previous threads, you'll find that many of us are seasoned protesters/campaigners and have a view on the historical evolution of the party, not just from some arbitrary Sept 2015 year zero.
I respect opinions and to be as vociferous as yourself you must surely have skin in the game, so l am interested then, apart from posting on here, what you've brought to the fight? How much of your free time have you dedicated to the Labour Party? How many elections have you been on the knocker for? Or - killer question - how many years have you been a party member?
(Momentum membership does NOT apply)

[killer-heels]

Maybe if the Copeland CLP had put the candidate Jeremy wanted they might have done better but they choose a Blairite.

The candidate was a former doctor, a driver for St Johns ambulance and a local councillor. Her feedback from the electorate was very positive and is a valued member who has served the community. Who exactly did Corbyn want?

[oldfordie]

Maybe if the Copeland CLP had put the candidate Jeremy wanted they might have done better but they choose a Blairite.

The problem is you can only push the bullshit so far before people open their eyes and thats when it becomes counter productive, the left have embarrassed themselves with some of the excuses they've made for Corbyn over the last 24hrs.

[NY-AmericanRed]

If I'm not mistaken, that was not only an incredibly rare special election loss for the party out of power, but the first time in 80+ years Labour lost the Copeland seat...

[NY-AmericanRed]

Therefore, it has to be a very tempting prospect for May to call a snap election to try and wipe Labour out

[Sangria]

If I'm not mistaken, that was not only an incredibly rare special election loss for the party out of power, but the first time in 80+ years Labour lost the Copeland seat...

The last time the Tories won Whitehaven/Copeland, Herbert Hoover was US president. Labour regained it during FDR's first term, and held it until now.

[Sangria]

Maybe if the Copeland CLP had put the candidate Jeremy wanted they might have done better but they choose a Blairite.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is Labour's current membership. No amount of reality will change Labour's leadership, for under OMOV, the vast intake of new members like Trada here will always outvote any alternative. The Labour party will be as Jeremy Corbyn wants it to be.

[NY-AmericanRed]

The last time the Tories won Whitehaven/Copeland, Herbert Hoover was US president. Labour regained it during FDR's first term, and held it until now.

That would be like the democrats losing a seat in Chicago (very democratic city) or the republicans losing a seat in Kansas (very republican state)

[Zeb]

Therefore, it has to be a very tempting prospect for May to call a snap election to try and wipe Labour out

Not until brexit is sealed. Otherwise she risks turning it into a second referendum. Get Article 50 sorted and then try to catch the moment before shit hits the fan for an election. It's actually to her benefit to keep Corbyn where he is for as long as possible lest his replacement be competent. Her track record at the Home Office was awful, one of her most senior backbenchers has savaged her on the floor of the House and she's all over the place with the main issue facing the country. But Corbyn's managed to make her look competent and strong.

[Alan_X]

Maybe if the Copeland CLP had put the candidate Jeremy wanted they might have done better but they choose a Blairite.

Priceless.

[JohnnoWhite]

Oxymoron.

A little close-minded view - but as you wish.

[Alan_X]

A little close-minded view - but as you wish.

Not really. Homeopathy is a massive scam - selling water and sugar pills to the gullible. But as you wish.

[It's Jimmy Corkhill]

The Labour Party is going to be decimated in the next election. Politics has changed - they need to win more votes in a country which has voted to leave Europe. A big proportion in their seats voted to leave. The leader was far from convincing in his support for remain and he can be attacked - and has been - from all sides.

The party must change quickly.

Trada, I admire your staunch defence. I simply don't understand how someone can claim to champion working-class internationalism and then clearly prefer an exit from the EU. It doesn't make sense and I can't see any explanation as ever even being attempted.

[TepidT2O]

Maybe if the Copeland CLP had put the candidate Jeremy wanted they might have done better but they choose a Blairite.

One question.

Why do you call her a Blairite?

[killer-heels]

Corbyn says Labour is a campaigning party. So not a party that will lead, strategise and take the initiative, but just try to overturn government decisions.

[TepidT2O]

From the times...

Only 3% more labour voters think Corbyn would make a better PM than May

There's going to be a massacre.

[Thush]

Corbyn says Labour is a campaigning party. So not a party that will lead, strategise and take the initiative, but just try to overturn government decisions.

Not even that really.

[hide5seek]

Maybe if the Copeland CLP had put the candidate Jeremy wanted they might have done better but they choose a Blairite.

Head, sand meet Trada.

[Sangria]

Read the comments. Trada isn't being outrageous. He's typical of the Labour membership.

https://www.facebook.com/JeremyCorbynMP/posts/10155096162938872

[hide5seek]

The problem is you can only push the bullshit so far before people open their eyes and thats when it becomes counter productive, the left have embarrassed themselves with some of the excuses they've made for Corbyn over the last 24hrs.

Er excuse me mate, think you mean the hard left?

[hide5seek]

Therefore, it has to be a very tempting prospect for May to call a snap election to try and wipe Labour out

That could help Labour. Maybe the only way to get rid of the old fraud.

[OOS]

Maybe if the Copeland CLP had put the candidate Jeremy wanted they might have done better but they choose a Blairite.

Or maybe the local CLP didn't want the Labour establishment in London to dictate who should be there candidate.

[hide5seek]

FFS - can't be doing with the bullshit bingo - please define Blairite so we understand precisely what you mean if you're attempting to insult people - sorry but I'm an empiricist, which I believe is important in this day and age.
In terms of the Labour Party, I think if you go back through this and previous threads, you'll find that many of us are seasoned protesters/campaigners and have a view on the historical evolution of the party, not just from some arbitrary Sept 2015 year zero.
I respect opinions and to be as vociferous as yourself you must surely have skin in the game, so l am interested then, apart from posting on here, what you've brought to the fight? How much of your free time have you dedicated to the Labour Party? How many elections have you been on the knocker for? Or - killer question - how many years have you been a party member?
(Momentum membership does NOT apply)

Many momentum members are Tories. How do we know this? Well the 2 times there was a leadership contest they voted for Corbyn in their droves. But when they had eternal votes for momentum leadership positions, they were only getting around the 30/40% mark. Many Tories bragged of joining momentum as well.......its going to be very hard getting a centre left Labour leader.

[killer-heels]

Read the comments. Trada isn't being outrageous. He's typical of the Labour membership.

https://www.facebook.com/JeremyCorbynMP/posts/10155096162938872

They are the same as the nutter Trump fans.

[killer-heels]

Many momentum members are Tories. How do we know this? Well the 2 times there was a leadership contest they voted for Corbyn in their droves. But when they had eternal votes for momentum leadership positions, they were only getting around the 30/40% mark. Many Tories bragged of joining momentum as well.......its going to be very hard getting a centre left Labour leader.

Fair play to Ed Milliband. He destroyed the Labour party.

[Sangria]

They are the same as the nutter Trump fans.

But they are the Labour membership, and under OMOV they will outvote any alternative to Corbyn. So hopes that an electoral wipeout will mean Corbyn's removal are mistaken. They are the Labour membership, and they will retain Corbyn no matter what. There won't be any different direction for the Labour party. The Labour party will be as Corbyn wants it to be.

[Trev20]

Thornberry on Newsnight yesterday