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I should preface this report by saying that I went out on the ale as soon as we got back into Liverpool, so I've not seen the game again and I've probably erased most of the brain cells containing any tactical info I managed to pick up (not much then).  It matters not, you'll all have seen it, you know the plot: Dominate the first half, score, spurn enough chances to have won the Cup, slowly lose control in the 2nd half, get a little nervy,score on the break, get pissed.  I'll concentrate instead on a few observations on players and the match in general.

Rafa
Still watching from the directors box,and by his own admission not enjoying it.  Interesting to hear him claim that you can see the game better from the dugout,something that seems to fly in the face of conventional wisdom.

Given that I work about a mile away from Deepdale this game was probably more important for me than it was for the team in terms of how our entire season pans out. Whereas I needed a performance in order to hold my head high in the office on Monday morning I thought that Rafa would be attempting to win the game but would also have an eye on resting a few key players while easing some others back into action after lengthy lay offs.  As it happened  only Kuyt that got the day off, with Babel getting his right sided support striker berth.  Otherwise it was a full strength team.

Cavalieri
Hardly had a shot to save but he still looks like a huge step up on our sub keepers of recent seasons.  At least with him in the net the whole organisation of the defence does not disintegrate. He looked a little shaky on the first couple of crosses but after that he dominated his area well and claimed everything that was there to be claimed.

Insua
Probably one of the few players on our side who had a better second half than he did in the first.  He was defensively solid throughout and had more opportunity to show that in the second 45. In the first half he looked a little uncertain on the ball and a little unwilling to bomb up the line on the overlap as he needed to do given our overwhelming superiority at this point.

Carragher
Had a pretty tough game marking Wallace who was their best player by a country mile.It's to his credit that through fair means or foul although the lad skinned him a few times Carra never once let him get away from him completely, always getting back to pressure him or force him into a hurried cross.  A certain Mr Dossena should've been taking notes.

Hyypia
Cool, clam efficiency personified.  I thought last season, where he really struggled was going to be his last meaningful contribution, particularly when he was left out of the CL squad.  The way Rafa has used him sparingly this season though has really brought the best out of him. I can see him being offered another season at this rate.

Agger
He's had a few shaky games defensively since his return from injury but today was not one of them. Like Hyypia he was calm and rarely troubled even when Preston pushed us back in the 2nd half. As usual he was also excellent at bringing the ball out of defence and through midfield al Hansen.

Mascherano / Alonso / Lucas
If ever a game illustrated the importance of Xabi Alonso to our current team it was this one. It would be unfair to attribute our loss of control in the second period entirely to Alonso's replacement by Lucas, Preston clearly paid us too much respect in the first half and upped their game significantly in the 2nd half, but the loss of Alonso's controlling rhythm as a huge factor. For all Mascherano's terrier like persistence and Lucas' clever prompting neither player is really capable of controlling the tempo of a game by dominating possession in the way that Alonso can.  We have plenty of players that can pick up the tempo and drive the team onwards, Gerrard being the prime example, but Alonso remains the only one who can restore calm to a frenetic game. 
 
Gerrard
He got his wish and had the chance to excorcise a few demons and in the end he got a pretty easy ride mainly because the local fans lacked the wit to come up with any particularly cutting songs about him.  He got a heroes welcome from the 5,000 visiting fans at the start and walked over for a mutual love in at the end.  In between he was his usual mercurial self coming close on several occasions before finally giving his bessie a welcome back present.

Keane
So who knows what is in Rafa's mind?  Does the return of Torres mean a return to the bench for Robbie?  Or does it mean a slightly more withdrawn role to which he is far more suited?  Whichever, it means that we'll soon have someone running onto low balls across the six yard box who knows how to put them away.  Converting that sort of chance seems to be a huge weakness in Robbie's armoury and I'm sure even he is looking forward to allowing Torres to make those runs while he checks back and waits for a pull back.  Overall I thought he had a decent game but he should have converted at least one of those chances and killed off the tie.
 
Torres
Nice to see you back lad. Also nice to see that he still has the same devestating acceleration on the turn, he just needs to regain the match sharpness that allows him to waltz past defenders at full tilt and he'll be back in business.  Nice to see him get back on the scoresheet as well, although even Robbie Keane couldn't have missed this one...
 
Riera / Babel
Hmmm.  Deliberately left to the end. Surely if ever a game was made for Ryan Babel this was it?  The Preston fans, in the brief interludes between their bitter gripes at the cruel world, admitted that their side was dreadfully short of pace. Albert Riera then ably demonstrated this by destroying both full backs at different points of the game.  Our domination was such that we repeatedly put Babel into positions where he was one on one with his slow and very very average full-back. And, he never took him on, not once.
 
People argue that Kuyt gets the right hand side berth ahead of Babel because he is better defensively and Rafa prefers this to Babel's superior attacking threat. Sorry, but at the moment that is rubbish, Jamie Carragher was more of an attacking threat down the right than Babel.
 
If this is not going to be Ryan's final season at Liverpool he needs to turn things around and quickly. It won't be easy. He's now, for the first time, lost the crowd. There were a couple of blerts a few rows behind us giving him all manner of abuse all game. Just how this pair of cretins, think of the chuckle brothers in a particularly dark parallel universe, think this will make him, or us, play better is beyond me, but it now appears that with the rehabilitation of Kuyt and Lucas, Babel is going to be the bete noir for the kind of tit who has to have someone to moan at. 
 
So were there any glimmers of hope?  Well, a couple.  He's always going to have a languid playing style (the only comparison with Henry that holds any water at all at the moment) so he looks lazier than he really is, but he was working hard particularly in the second period.  Also he looked a bit more promising when he was shifted up front at the end. I thought he was rather unlucky to have a succession of fouls given against him when attempting to turn his man. His form at the moment means he's miles from a starting place though.

Their Lot
ok Deepdale, time for a soundcheck...

Do you think they do all that shite when they're playing Doncaster?

We moan about the lack of atmosphere on the Kop but it's only when you go to "little" clubs like Preston or Bolton and experience the shite plastic packaged atmosphere that you realise how important it is that we actually protect and maintain what we've still got.  It got noisy for about five minutes in the second half when they had a goal hilariously disallowed. Hilarious because of the length of time it took their muppet fans to realise that the flag had been up for 5 minutes. The sight of their fans cavorting and goading us from the concourse in front of the Tom Finney stand as Cavalieri was teeing the ball up for our free kick is one that I'll treasure for a while.

Our Lot
Pretty good effort from our travelling end, good noise for most of the first slowly subsiding into anguished fretting as the game wore on.  Excellent support for Gerrard and a good repertoire of songs which kinda shamed our two song hosts. One or two idiots as ever, more of which later, but generally a good day out.  Quick nod to Bez who we met in the Royal Garrison before the game, nice to meet you mate.

Overall
A decent performance that was almost undermined by some poor finishing and a failure to close the game out when we had chance.  A potential banana skin avoided. Bring on the Blues.
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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #1 on: January 5, 2009, 11:15:57 am »
Lovely stuff VdM. I'm not going to argue with you on Babel because I can't think of anything to come back on! Glad you mentioned Cavalieri. Not a name that inspires confidence in a keeper but he looked pretty good - very quick over the ground in coming to crosses (love a keeper with quick feet). And Sam too. When was the last time he lost a header? Some time before the Boer War perhaps?

The only thing I'm surprised about is your free pass to Robbie Keane. I ache for him to do well, but that looked to me the most inept performance from a Liverpool forward since Alan Waddle.
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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #2 on: January 5, 2009, 11:40:13 am »
You could be right about Keane, Yorky.  Perhaps I was being over-generous.  I am however definitely in the striking camp that argues that getting into positions to miss 'em is more than half the battle. 

I would make him stop behind after training and spend two hours a day practicing turning fizzed low crosses into the net though.  It's got to be instinctive and at the moment with Keane it clearly isn't it.
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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #3 on: January 5, 2009, 12:35:19 pm »
It's a good point that Preston stepped it up in the second half VDM - I thought Lucas did a decent job when he came on... but as you say it underlined the influence Alonso has and sent a shiver down the spine... (shivers)

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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #4 on: January 5, 2009, 12:41:50 pm »
Our subs were like for like swaps apart from Aurelio on for Masch.

Where did Aurelio play when he replaced Masch?
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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #5 on: January 5, 2009, 12:45:22 pm »
Our subs were like for like swaps apart from Aurelio on for Masch.

Where did Aurelio play when he replaced Masch?

Aurelio went left mid, gerrard went into central midfield, riera on the right and babel behind torres

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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #6 on: January 5, 2009, 12:48:39 pm »
Once the first goal got in, i was confident about us going through. Don't think they seriously troubled us that much, though i must say i wasn't paying full attention to the game.

Babel's performance has much to complain about, as was already mentioned in the Babel puzzle thread.
Somehow i don't think this lad is going to make it here. Though like most others, i hope to be proven wrong. It was a perfect chance to shut some of us up, but he didnt take it did it.

Coincidentally, i had mentioned about having a left-footer on the right, and it was nice to see Riera given a brief cameo on the right hand side. It poses a different kind of threat.

oh..and you guys are right about Xabi.  Still waiting for the injury news though.

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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #7 on: January 5, 2009, 12:57:59 pm »
Nice report. Was any software or website used to make the image at the top or was it drawn in photoshop?

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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #8 on: January 5, 2009, 01:01:41 pm »
Nice report. Was any software or website used to make the image at the top or was it drawn in photoshop?

Lachesis is the graphics guru behind the image (I liked the one he used in his own match report so much I put an order in for mine).  I think he uses Photoshop.  Top work, whichever.
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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #9 on: January 5, 2009, 01:09:58 pm »
VdM.. i take it Mellor got a good reception off our lot? wasn't it them singing--only one Neil Mellor when he was subbed?
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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #10 on: January 5, 2009, 01:13:14 pm »
VdM.. i take it Mellor got a good reception off our lot? wasn't it them singing--only one Neil Mellor when he was subbed?

We started it, Preston joined in.

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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #11 on: January 5, 2009, 01:13:41 pm »
VdM.. i take it Mellor got a good reception off our lot? wasn't it them singing--only one Neil Mellor when he was subbed?

We sang it, they joined in...

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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #12 on: January 5, 2009, 01:15:26 pm »
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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #13 on: January 5, 2009, 01:16:01 pm »
Fair appraisal that VDM and your spot on with Ryan, the lad has lost a lot of the fans
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« Reply #14 on: January 5, 2009, 01:57:57 pm »
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I am however definitely in the striking camp that argues that getting into positions to miss 'em is more than half the battle. 

I would make him stop behind after training and spend two hours a day practicing turning fizzed low crosses into the net though.  It's got to be instinctive and at the moment with Keane it clearly isn't it.

I think you've hit the nail on the head re: Keane and, I fear, Babel. Somehow Keane has the game intelligence so he only requires a bit of killer finishing to sort him out, whereas Babel looks a bit lacking in the one area it'd be impossible to improve in training.

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« Reply #15 on: January 6, 2009, 12:50:15 am »
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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #16 on: January 6, 2009, 03:48:07 pm »
Only just spotted this report, VdeM, nice one.

I watched this game on an old snowy tv somewhere in West Cork, and like Yorky, I have been aching for Keane to do well, but this was the first game that the sympathy tap started to dry up. He just can't keep missing chances like that, and although he has missed a few sitters before now, I've never seen so many in such a short space of time, culminating in the one that he should have taken on, and instead laid back for someone else. Was it my imagination or did he seem a bit more resigned and philosophical than usual when his number came up?
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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #17 on: January 6, 2009, 03:59:05 pm »
Nice write up VdM. Glad to see that these are becoming a regular feature.
 
Yorky - think you are being a bit harsh on Keane. I agree with VdM that he's getting into good positions to score which is indeed half the battle, but I think he's rushing/ snatching at his shots - which says to me it's in the head and can be sorted.. (I hope)
 
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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #18 on: January 6, 2009, 04:07:54 pm »
Cheers folks.

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I should have added in that report that I was quite impressed with Preston's ground, particularly the Bill Shankly Kop which was a single tier but with a really steep rake to it so even though we were right to one side, you still got a great view of the whole pitch.
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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #19 on: January 6, 2009, 04:10:52 pm »
Lads, I'm not writing Robbie Keane off. I think I was the only person to whinge after the game v Newcastle that Keane should have started. You know, kept his momentum going with a guaranteed goal v the sloppiest defence in England. But that was such a disheartening performance in the Cup. That catalogue of first half misses was the result of a seriously faulty technique - the same faults, sadly, that were also on show against Atletico away and Bolton away.

Against PNE he seemed seriously amazed that Alonso picked him out with what all Alonso-watchers are now coming to regard as his trademark pass - the powerful and disguised hit through the middle to the striker's feet. Had he not seen this before? Why not? And by the time he passed the buck to Riera it was all over really. You don't often see a professional footballer wimp out like that.

But I'd still play him v Stoke. Kuyt will get the nod of course.
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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #20 on: January 6, 2009, 04:19:44 pm »
Nice read - just the right length and well written.

My own opinion on Babel is that he has got something and it might be a case of things just clicking for him. It might even happen in one game where he finally destroys some unfortunate full back and realises - 'Oh so that's what I'm supposed to do'. Alternatively, it might never happen.
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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #21 on: January 6, 2009, 04:25:35 pm »
That was what was so frustrating about that Preston game.  You know what Babel is capable of, and at times in that first half he had so much space in which to take on his full-back, either with the ball or by running beyond him and letting Alonso drop it over the top. He was ripe for shredding and you desperately wanted Babel to destroy him, but he never tried it.

That's the frustrated observation, not of someone wanting Babel to fail, but of someone desperate to see him blossom and mystified as to how poorly he is playing.
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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #22 on: January 6, 2009, 04:56:53 pm »
Lads, I'm not writing Robbie Keane off. I think I was the only person to whinge after the game v Newcastle that Keane should have started. You know, kept his momentum going with a guaranteed goal v the sloppiest defence in England. But that was such a disheartening performance in the Cup. That catalogue of first half misses was the result of a seriously faulty technique - the same faults, sadly, that were also on show against Atletico away and Bolton away.

Against PNE he seemed seriously amazed that Alonso picked him out with what all Alonso-watchers are now coming to regard as his trademark pass - the powerful and disguised hit through the middle to the striker's feet. Had he not seen this before? Why not? And by the time he passed the buck to Riera it was all over really. You don't often see a professional footballer wimp out like that.

But I'd still play him v Stoke. Kuyt will get the nod of course.

Fair enough mate. All the criticisms of Keane have a certain validity to them as he is obviously not 'performing' in a lot of the games he plays in. However, I personally think that those criticisms can be tempered to a certain extent.

Don't really want to turn this into an auxilliary Keane thread, but just though I'd make a couple of points re his performance in this match - which will necessarily bring in points related to the wider issues regarding Keane.

You said that you thought his misses were a result of seriously faulty technique. I'd really have to argue that I don't think this is the case. As I touched on in my previous post, I reckon it's a mental thing with Keane - if you look at some of thegoals he's scored I don't think he lacks technique - the leveller against Arsenal, the left-foot near post finish against Bolton - both much harder technically than the 8 yard sidefoot he managed to hit straight at the keeper at Preston.

I really think it's psychological. my reasoning isn't the most scientific, but goes along the lines that he doesn't respond well, on a psychological level, to rotation. This isn't an anti-rotation argument - I just think it doesn't 'suit' some players, at least initially. I don't think it suited, say,  Bellamy, and I don't think it suits Keane at the moment.

I think that every time he gets a game he thinks he has to 'prove' himself, and that probably means he feels he has to get a goal. I think he just doesn't 'get' Rafa yet, and how he works - i.e. he wants you to go out there, follow instructions, and do your job - if you do that then he is happy. Doesn't necessarily mean you will start the next game, but you've done your job.

To me the PNE game is such an obvious example that it is a psychological thing - after he missed the first chance, he just deteriorated  - snatching at the next chance that came his way, and then totally refusing the following one.

I think he just needs to relax, get comfortable with the idea of that he's not going to play every game, and just because he doesn't doesn't mean that Rafa is not happy with him, and then he'll start producing the goods..

I reckon he'll get his chance over the next few weeks given that we have 4 games in 13 days.. might even put a few quid on a derby winner from him..





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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #23 on: January 6, 2009, 05:21:32 pm »
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On a more serious note, it is possible to feel some sympathy for Babel.  The criticisms are all justifiable ones, the end product of which he is supposed to be capable never really seems to materializse, but watching the match on the telly enabled several focused shots of the boundless frustration he so clearly feels.

Don't know whether he is confused, unhappy, unconfident, or some likely mix of all three and others, but struggling only begins to scratch the apparent surface of the problems for The Answer.

I did enjoy his chasing into the Preston half to pressure during stoppage time, following the ball all the way back to the keeper, who played it on to his left-sided defender just in time for Babel to complete a great, semi-circular sprint by clattering into him.

Fine tactical foul, I thought... ;)

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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #24 on: January 6, 2009, 05:45:16 pm »
Cheers folks.

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I should have added in that report that I was quite impressed with Preston's ground, particularly the Bill Shankly Kop which was a single tier but with a really steep rake to it so even though we were right to one side, you still got a great view of the whole pitch.

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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #25 on: January 6, 2009, 05:47:50 pm »
Nice staduim for a Championship side.  Museum was pretty cool too.

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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #26 on: January 6, 2009, 05:48:12 pm »
Im glad you liked Deepdale. It's certainly better since recently getting the 4th side done.

When we pulled up to the ground about 4ish, the sun had just about set and the sky was glowing red around the four floodlight pylon things, looked fucking great :)

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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #27 on: January 6, 2009, 06:22:40 pm »
Cheers lad, good effort that, cant remember much in detail to be honest. Drinking to many pints and collecting glasses was fun! Not done bar work for a while!!
As for anyone that was asking me to serve them behind the bar :wave  that was piss funny. I got some right funny looks when I said, "I dont work here whilst pullling 10 pints and walking off, some reds where mad as hell!!
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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #28 on: January 7, 2009, 12:13:08 pm »
two things i will say about the game (well babel and keane really)

babel looked better when he was put upfront with torres, it seems obvious that he wants to play here and puts a bit more into it when he's there. gives him a chance to amble along the halfway line and then sprint onto loose balls, backpasses etc, without having to do the tracking back needed on the wing. also i think it's slightly forgotten that he was responsible for winning the header which allowed gerrard to run onto the loose ball and set torres up for his goal. a small thing i know that pretty much anyone could have done, but he still needed to be there and make the challenge.

with regards to people worried about keane not converting chances i give you this stat.
in the prem keane has the same number of goals as berbatov (3)and tevez(2) COMBINED!

thats 5 goals for man u from £60mil worth of strikers as opposed to 5 from our £20mil
their goals will no doubt come, as will keanes. and you don't have much time to set yourself for a pass fizzed across the box, unlike a pull back or run through.

oh and i thought our attacking was good in the first half against PNE and our defending was great in the 2nd.
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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #29 on: January 7, 2009, 12:21:54 pm »
also i think it's slightly forgotten that he was responsible for winning the header which allowed gerrard to run onto the loose ball and set torres up for his goal. a small thing i know that pretty much anyone could have done, but he still needed to be there and make the challenge.

You've clearly not been following the "Babel - Fine Wine or Puzzle we'll never finish" thread. ;D
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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #30 on: January 7, 2009, 01:35:59 pm »
You've clearly not been following the "Babel - Fine Wine or Puzzle we'll never finish" thread. ;D

sadly true, so many threads so little time. i tend to see whats on the main page and occasionally look in the forums. i also don't have to time to read 30 odd pages of comments to catch up.....sorry lazy i know, but at least i admit it.
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Re: Preston North End v Liverpool - FA Cup 3rd Round - Match Report
« Reply #31 on: January 7, 2009, 01:47:14 pm »
sadly true, so many threads so little time. i tend to see whats on the main page and occasionally look in the forums. i also don't have to time to read 30 odd pages of comments to catch up.....sorry lazy i know, but at least i admit it.

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