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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #320 on: October 19, 2016, 01:32:48 pm »
It's not the gilt edged chances I'm talking about.  I just think we are bound to be a bit slower and less fluid without Wijnaldum in the team.  Mainly because both Can and Henderson are a bit ponderous and slow on the turn in comparison.  I also don't expect much to be made up by Lovren, who is also quite slow to release the ball or move forward with it. 

Matip there's a bit more potential to help in this respect, but I'm not seeing anything that suggests he could help make a Can / Henderson partnership work in a Klopp team.  Danny Agger perhaps could have done the way he routinely ghosted past players and sprayed passes around... but there aren't many of his ilk around.

No slight on Matip though, if that's how it's coming across...

It is the one part of Henderson's game, and to an extent Can, the other night that was very evident. The ability to turn on the ball quickly and make that quick pass. On quite a few occasions they both played balls back to the defensive line when they could have turned quickly and played a forward ball. I am not saying that they necessarily clearly had the time to do it because on most occasions there was a united player on them quickly. However, what I have noticed with Wijnaldum is his ability to turn from his back to the opposition to having options in front of him going forward. I hope that makes some sense - in my head it does anyway !
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #321 on: October 19, 2016, 02:05:50 pm »
Glad he's back in training.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #322 on: October 19, 2016, 02:06:13 pm »
It's not the gilt edged chances I'm talking about.  I just think we are bound to be a bit slower and less fluid without Wijnaldum in the team.  Mainly because both Can and Henderson are a bit ponderous and slow on the turn in comparison.  I also don't expect much to be made up by Lovren, who is also quite slow to release the ball or move forward with it. 



One of the things I like about him is his pace. Pace of thought, action (because he's technically good so needs few touches), and physical pace
For someone playing as a virtual CM he's fucking quick. We definitely loose mobility and speed of action if Can is playing instead of him. We might gain some other stuff but we're definitely easier to play against when we have the ball 

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #323 on: October 19, 2016, 02:22:17 pm »
He has made remarkable progress from being considered a poor fit to the team to one of the key misses when injured in eight matches. More to come I feel.
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #324 on: October 19, 2016, 02:24:46 pm »
He has made remarkable progress from being considered a poor fit to the team to one of the key misses when injured in eight matches. More to come I feel.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #325 on: October 19, 2016, 02:26:06 pm »
He has made remarkable progress from being considered a poor fit to the team to one of the key misses when injured in eight matches. More to come I feel.
I`m really glad that more and more people realize what he brings because it seemed in early days majority couldn`t. It`s not all about Match of the day 30-yard screamers and all that, he gives our midfield balance and stability; our whole attacking game suffers badly when our midfield is disjointed and dysfunctional as we`ve seen on Monday.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #326 on: October 19, 2016, 03:53:11 pm »
Wijnaldum hasn't been pulling up any trees so far but he has some attributes that are sorely missing from our midfield when both he and Lallana are injured that neither Can nor Henderson possess.


he's been excellent for a few games now. And the thing is, the way he plays he's not going to stand out much more than he already has, so I suspect if you can't see it now, you probably won't. Not meant to be a dig even if it sounds like it! Just that what he has already brought and will continue to bring isn't something that is as obviously eye catching as what a player like Mané can bring. And it doesn't need to be. But he is just as important to this team. And has made a very positive impact in a short amount of time. I've been as impressed with him as I have Mane and Matip.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #327 on: October 19, 2016, 04:08:03 pm »
I said this back in early August from the Welcome Georginio Wijnaldum thread:

"Have a feeling by the time October rolls around, we'll start realizing we've got ourselves a very good midfielder on our hands."

I think many of us have seen Gini's qualities for a while now, but it's nice to see other people realizing it too. Shame it took an injury for that realization to happen though.
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #328 on: October 19, 2016, 09:28:21 pm »
What does Wijnaldum actually offer?
1st game without Wijaldum in the lineup
We really missed Wijnaldum's presence

The "things" that he actually offers? Well that's what we missed on Monday.
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #329 on: October 20, 2016, 05:02:23 pm »
I've been trying to explain how good a player he is to people for a while now. The problem is that most fans just look for the flashy players that get a lot of time on the ball or that do something 'spectacular'. The subtle nuances of football are often lost on a lot of fans (sadly, a lot of fans that follow football closely as well). The thing about Wijnaldum is that he's the best player on the team at receiving and distributing the ball under pressure as well as making quick transitions through midfield. His touch is the best on the team along with the Brazilians and Lallana, but his first thought is rarely to try and beat a man by himself (though he can dribble quite well) so he keeps our game moving fast by letting the ball do most of the work; he loses the ball far less in that way and he's better at shielding it. He's always offering himself as an outlet under pressure and does amazing work off the ball with his runs and engine, his passing is economical and he's extremely effective with his decisions in the final 3rd. Really he's unlucky not to have a goal at this point as he easily could have.

His presence was missed a lot against United, and I hope more people have kind of come around on his importance to our midfield balance.
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #330 on: October 20, 2016, 06:48:11 pm »
I've been trying to explain how good a player he is to people for a while now. The problem is that most fans just look for the flashy players that get a lot of time on the ball or that do something 'spectacular'. The subtle nuances of football are often lost on a lot of fans (sadly, a lot of fans that follow football closely as well). The thing about Wijnaldum is that he's the best player on the team at receiving and distributing the ball under pressure as well as making quick transitions through midfield. His touch is the best on the team along with the Brazilians and Lallana, but his first thought is rarely to try and beat a man by himself (though he can dribble quite well) so he keeps our game moving fast by letting the ball do most of the work; he loses the ball far less in that way and he's better at shielding it. He's always offering himself as an outlet under pressure and does amazing work off the ball with his runs and engine, his passing is economical and he's extremely effective with his decisions in the final 3rd. Really he's unlucky not to have a goal at this point as he easily could have.

His presence was missed a lot against United, and I hope more people have kind of come around on his importance to our midfield balance.

Agree with nearly all that. Good post.

"He's always offering himself as an outlet under pressure and does amazing work off the ball with his runs and engine" - this is really key to understanding what he brings to the table as well. Before I saw him live, I didn't fully get what he was all about. Leicester is the 1st game I saw him live, and to see what he does off the ball made me really realise why he's there.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #331 on: October 20, 2016, 07:14:15 pm »
I've been trying to explain how good a player he is to people for a while now. The problem is that most fans just look for the flashy players that get a lot of time on the ball or that do something 'spectacular'. The subtle nuances of football are often lost on a lot of fans (sadly, a lot of fans that follow football closely as well). The thing about Wijnaldum is that he's the best player on the team at receiving and distributing the ball under pressure as well as making quick transitions through midfield. His touch is the best on the team along with the Brazilians and Lallana, but his first thought is rarely to try and beat a man by himself (though he can dribble quite well) so he keeps our game moving fast by letting the ball do most of the work; he loses the ball far less in that way and he's better at shielding it. He's always offering himself as an outlet under pressure and does amazing work off the ball with his runs and engine, his passing is economical and he's extremely effective with his decisions in the final 3rd. Really he's unlucky not to have a goal at this point as he easily could have.

His presence was missed a lot against United, and I hope more people have kind of come around on his importance to our midfield balance.

Totally agree with this. Whilst Can may have other strengths, he certainly doesn't circulate nor spread the ball quickly enough. I believe that the same criticism can be leveled against Lovren. His decision making and passing is too slow. Makes the press against us a lot easier by other teams. He tends to invite the pressure instead of circulating a lot quicker. Klavan was a lot quicker but lacks other attributes which Lovren possesses.
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #332 on: October 21, 2016, 09:49:09 am »
Matip's had a good marauding run forward v Spurs and the ball through to Can the other night.  Might be other moments from games he's played in that I've forgotten. Agger was great at it but I doubt he carved out gilt edged chances every game either.

He pretty much never did in all fairness. Daniel was outstanding on the ball but his ability to find an end ball after one of his forays forward was almost non-existent; more often it was a case he'd run forward and get a free-kick. Matip has already shown a few times that he has a final pass in him when he decides to go forward, which he is more selective in doing.

And yes, we absolutely missed Wijnaldum. I think it only adds to the comparison a few have made with Whelan; you don't know what you have until he's not in the team. He - like Lallana - plays on the half turn and makes penetrating runs, the former trait is absolutely crucial for those two advanced midfielders because it means that you're taking 2-3 less touches to get to the same position which could essentially be the difference between the opposition midfielder being caught out of position and him being allowed the extra time to get back and get set.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #333 on: October 21, 2016, 10:33:11 am »
He pretty much never did in all fairness. Daniel was outstanding on the ball but his ability to find an end ball after one of his forays forward was almost non-existent; more often it was a case he'd run forward and get a free-kick. Matip has already shown a few times that he has a final pass in him when he decides to go forward, which he is more selective in doing.

And yes, we absolutely missed Wijnaldum. I think it only adds to the comparison a few have made with Whelan; you don't know what you have until he's not in the team. He - like Lallana - plays on the half turn and makes penetrating runs, the former trait is absolutely crucial for those two advanced midfielders because it means that you're taking 2-3 less touches to get to the same position which could essentially be the difference between the opposition midfielder being caught out of position and him being allowed the extra time to get back and get set.

The Whelan comparison will become more obvious once he starts scoring a couple of goals.

I said we would miss him on Monday night as he keeps the ball moving with short passes quite often and his movement off the ball creates space for our other midfielders to work in.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #334 on: October 21, 2016, 11:42:45 am »
chelsea away really impressed me. kept the ball moving and i thought he added a real physical presence in midfield.

Missed him the other night, normally i would be happy to have Can in there but he was poor the other night, lacking match practice.
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #335 on: October 21, 2016, 01:17:35 pm »
chelsea away really impressed me. kept the ball moving and i thought he added a real physical presence in midfield.

Missed him the other night, normally i would be happy to have Can in there but he was poor the other night, lacking match practice.
Yeah he didn't seem fit at all to me did Emre but he did improve as the game went along, if Wijnaldum is fully fit I would start him against West Brom because he and Lallana give us more dynamism, compared to the midfield we started the game with against United.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #336 on: October 21, 2016, 01:19:01 pm »
i see the gini love in have gone into bit of overdrive. and he was only gone for a game.(looking at the rawk theory of players get better the longer they don't play)

Got to say, I was impressed with him at Newcastle. Thought he was way better than Sissoko there and it was Gini rather than Sissoko that deserved to move to a bigger club. Glad Klopp brought him in. A team player in every sense of the word.

I'm really glad that he is back and fans here see his value to the team.  Lets hope he break his duck soon but for me as long as the team plays well and we gain the 3 points after 90 mins all is good.


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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #337 on: October 21, 2016, 09:13:38 pm »
i see the gini love in have gone into bit of overdrive. and he was only gone for a game.(looking at the rawk theory of players get better the longer they don't play)

I think it's more that we tend to overcompensate praising players when they start to do well after a stretch of being slated. A totally fair habit, as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #338 on: October 22, 2016, 12:31:58 am »
chelsea away really impressed me. kept the ball moving and i thought he added a real physical presence in midfield.


Totally agree. The first ten minutes in that game, he was everywhere. Won about five tackles and really set the tone for us.

Hopefully he's good to go this weekend.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #339 on: October 22, 2016, 07:38:31 pm »
That goal is coming. Nice cameo tonight, could have had an assist and a goal.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #340 on: October 22, 2016, 07:40:32 pm »
That awareness for Firmino was a stunning bit of play. Seems like 95% of players in the world are thick as fuck when it comes to making decisions like that so was very refreshing to see that.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #341 on: October 22, 2016, 08:55:53 pm »
So glad he's back, the engine ticks just a tad bit smoother and efficiently when he's on the pitch.
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« Reply #342 on: October 22, 2016, 10:23:12 pm »
Great that he was back in the side for a few minutes today and made a definite impact. His awareness, positioning and intelligence are things that don't get rusty from being injured. He just slid right in and brought our play up a notch.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #343 on: October 22, 2016, 11:01:41 pm »
Carragher said it best on MNF. Wijnaldum had his best game against Utd by not being on the pitch - as you realise what you miss in this team when he's not playing.

Great to see him back and will be interested to see what center midfield pairing Klopp chooses next week seeing as Henderson is banned.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #344 on: October 22, 2016, 11:06:26 pm »
Carragher said it best on MNF. Wijnaldum had his best game against Utd by not being on the pitch - as you realise what you miss in this team when he's not playing.

Great to see him back and will be interested to see what center midfield pairing Klopp chooses next week seeing as Henderson is banned.

he's banned for the league cup game I think? A game he might well have sat out anyway.

Maybe Can gets a go at the number 6 role for that, and Gini will play his usual role.

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« Reply #345 on: October 22, 2016, 11:13:40 pm »
Watching it back on MOTD tonight, I can see how I missed it when watching the game live. Superb awareness and speed of thought.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #346 on: October 23, 2016, 01:00:33 am »
Unlucky not to get his first goal in his little cameo today, just not enough bend.
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #347 on: October 23, 2016, 01:05:03 am »
That awareness for Firmino was a stunning bit of play. Seems like 95% of players in the world are thick as fuck when it comes to making decisions like that so was very refreshing to see that.

Spot on. Intelligence and unselfishness is definitely something Klopp looks for in a player I feel. We definitely have that in Mane and Wijnaldum.

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« Reply #348 on: October 25, 2016, 05:07:26 am »
Gutted that shot at the end didn't go in for him.  I hope he doesn't start pressing too much trying to get that first one.  I can't wait until he scores his first and feels the love from our fans.
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #349 on: October 25, 2016, 05:15:49 am »
There's a calmness about him around the box that is hard to teach. Those little lay-offs and touches to set up a shot for himself or others are great to watch because it's effortless, many players in that position see the glory and go for it themselves or try and do too much. He sees an opening and says there you go, I'll set that up on a plate for you.

He's a weird player but an important one. We missed him against United, I think some of his composure in the final third might have just been the tonic we needed as we pushed for a late goal. He's versatile, works hard, knows his role and looks like he's been here for a couple of seasons already (the same goes for Matip and one or two others).

We got him for just over a quarter of what United paid for a dabbing idiot with no discipline. Pogba might go on to score a few highlight reel goals and whatever else, but Wijnaldum will have a much bigger part to play in our success. I don't mean to compare the two, normally I don't do that, but it just shows you. A bit of a left field signing like Wijnaldum and he's already shown his quality and importance to us even if it has been in an under the radar kind of way. United chase a prima-donna around all summer, buy him back for a stupid amount money after they let him go in the first place and now everybody is questioning if he's the right fit and even half as good as he thinks he is.

Matip, Wijnaldum, Mane. Those 3 lads have been signed by Klopp and all of them have fitted in excellently. No fanfare really, yet it proves that Klopp knows what he's doing in the market. The next time we at are linked with or buy a Mr John Doe from out of the blue don't get up in arms because he's not a 'superstar' in the eyes of the media or didn't cost £50m. Trust that he'll come and slot right in like this fella has.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #350 on: October 25, 2016, 05:21:17 am »
That touch to set up Firmino at the end was exquisite. So simple and so perfect. Exactly as technically proficient, efficient and creative as we want our midfielders to be.
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #351 on: October 25, 2016, 02:19:16 pm »
Reckon he may well get his first goal tonight. Expect him to start, and might even play as more of an AM if we're resting the likes of Coutinho, Mane and Firmino.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #352 on: October 25, 2016, 02:40:34 pm »
Reckon he may well get his first goal tonight. Expect him to start, and might even play as more of an AM if we're resting the likes of Coutinho, Mane and Firmino.

Hope so, a front 5 that can all score regularly would be amazing and even more difficult to defend against, especially since we have precious few in the team who can score from range (Coutinho the only one?) and that can be a good tool for unlocking deep defences.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #353 on: October 25, 2016, 10:08:03 pm »
This guy is so good and never seems to make the wrong decision!

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #354 on: October 25, 2016, 10:09:45 pm »
His football IQ is off the charts. Love having such smart players in our team.

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #355 on: October 25, 2016, 10:10:56 pm »
His energy is brilliant and you can see his worth to our system and style of play. Was hoping he didnt play the full 90 but im sure he'll be fine for the weekend.
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #356 on: October 25, 2016, 10:18:13 pm »
GREAT game tonight. Loved the assist to Sturridge for the second, it was exquisite. He's slowly but surely improving - I remember reading opinions after his first couple of matches along the lines of "yeah, he's decent but what does he actually do?" and now he's an important part of our midfield machinery. Long may it continue!

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #357 on: October 25, 2016, 10:19:40 pm »
He gets better and better every game, such an intelligent player and his ability to turn players in midfield is a god send!

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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #358 on: October 25, 2016, 10:27:36 pm »
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Re: Georginio Wijnaldum
« Reply #359 on: October 25, 2016, 10:30:21 pm »
We need this level of smartness to go with our pace and talent in our side. He's so intelligent, he'll make our talents count.