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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #10560 on: December 29, 2010, 11:49:40 PM »
Looks as though he has no support left out there tonight Doc, just been reading his latest comments, the man is embarrassing himself now, clinging on by the skin of his fingertips. 

The sad thing in all of this is that we as fans have been reduced to publicly calling for a Manager's head, we come across as being just as bad as any other club's fans now.

The fact that we've never used the 'veto' before speaks volumes.
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« Reply #10561 on: December 30, 2010, 12:00:52 AM »
i'm a reasonably auld get but I've got no real terms of reference for how to act or deal with the current shite we are faced with - even the owners debacle was pretty clear - they were bastards and had to go and we had to do whatever we could to make it happen - didn't do anywhere near as much as some but did what I could

with Roy what is the crack - he isn't an evil man bent on dragging every last dime out the club - he's a man completely out of his depth who refuses to acknowledge it - whos dragging the club down - his recent blaming of the fans for the problem in the mirror just shows this is going to go on and on - we need to cut him adrift  - he needs to be put out of our misery but how do we go about it - how do we make it happen?

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« Reply #10562 on: December 30, 2010, 12:06:22 AM »
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« Reply #10563 on: December 30, 2010, 12:09:06 AM »
i'm a reasonably auld get but I've got no real terms of reference for how to act or deal with the current shite we are faced with - even the owners debacle was pretty clear - they were bastards and had to go and we had to do whatever we could to make it happen - didn't do anywhere near as much as some but did what I could

with Roy what is the crack - he isn't an evil man bent on dragging every last dime out the club - he's a man completely out of his depth who refuses to acknowledge it - whos dragging the club down - his recent blaming of the fans for the problem in the mirror just shows this is going to go on and on - we need to cut him adrift  - he needs to be put out of our misery but how do we go about it - how do we make it happen?

whats the fuck is the plan? prayer?

Only place for me is Anfield with chants, banners (?) etc.  Even typing that doesn't seem right but he has no respect for us and he's too stubborn to go without being pushed but go he must.  Not sure he's deliberately dragging the club down but I think he's a little snide waiting for a big  pay cheque.

With that I'm off for the night, threads are moving too fast. 
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« Reply #10564 on: December 30, 2010, 12:13:38 AM »
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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #10565 on: December 30, 2010, 02:09:18 AM »
Jesus wept...   

Sorry, had to get that off my chest.   :(
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« Reply #10566 on: December 30, 2010, 08:24:31 AM »
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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #10567 on: December 30, 2010, 08:51:43 AM »
Whoa, if I keep posting out there, I could be banned again very soon. Someone needs to drag back FS and SB back in. Need some motivation and hopes at dire time like this.

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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #10568 on: December 30, 2010, 10:16:47 AM »
See John this is where I struggle at what seems to be a bit of harsh treatment for someone who did so much for us.



Yes JP he was treated shabbily by the club,

Finally after 20 months and after Liverpool had won the League again I was invited to travel with the club to Bruge for the second leg of the UEFA Cup Final. I accepted, because I didn't want anybody to think I was being petty, but it came too late for my peace of mind. I couldn't help wondering why it had taken them so long and I was not impressed with the arrangements they made for me in Bruge, where I was put into a different hotel to the one used by the official party. I found that quite insulting.
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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #10569 on: December 30, 2010, 10:22:52 AM »
Not that old, merely supported the team for 27 years. An OOC even.

I need an asylum, and am hoping this is one. I've not witnessed anything like this before. Its bad where i am. People are angry, even though i am experiencing something even worse than anger and pain. Its apathy.

I can't even imagine how it is like at Merseyside.


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« Reply #10570 on: December 30, 2010, 10:26:47 AM »
Yes JP he was treated shabbily by the club,

Finally after 20 months and after Liverpool had won the League again I was invited to travel with the club to Bruge for the second leg of the UEFA Cup Final. I accepted, because I didn't want anybody to think I was being petty, but it came too late for my peace of mind. I couldn't help wondering why it had taken them so long and I was not impressed with the arrangements they made for me in Bruge, where I was put into a different hotel to the one used by the official party. I found that quite insulting.

Really don't know how to answer this Vic if I'm honest, I'm numb this morning after last night but I'm stunned by those words.  To think he went, against his better judgement as it turned out, to be treated in my eyes as a second class citizen is astonishing. 

I know Shanks was a big personality Vic but a Club of our size could and should have afforded him the respect he'd not only earned but deserved.

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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #10571 on: December 30, 2010, 10:29:56 AM »
Looks as though he has no support left out there tonight Doc, just been reading his latest comments, the man is embarrassing himself now, clinging on by the skin of his fingertips. 

The sad thing in all of this is that we as fans have been reduced to publicly calling for a Manager's head, we come across as being just as bad as any other club's fans now.
  That's because we are as bad as everyone else,and have been heading this way for years,Anfield is an embrrassment now,the Kop sitting in silence having a couple of thousand adenoidal subnormal  Brummie  types taking the piss for 90 minutes sums us up.

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« Reply #10572 on: December 30, 2010, 10:31:25 AM »
Not that old, merely supported the team for 27 years. An OOC even.

I need an asylum, and am hoping this is one. I've not witnessed anything like this before. Its bad where i am. People are angry, even though i am experiencing something even worse than anger and pain. Its apathy.

I can't even imagine how it is like at Merseyside.

Not sure this is the right asylum for you Alvin, this is the lunatic one but welcome anyway.   :wave






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« Reply #10573 on: December 30, 2010, 10:34:31 AM »
Not sure this is the right asylum for you Alvin, this is the lunatic one but welcome anyway.   :wave


Numb. Can't even put into words the very depth of my emotions.

For me, it started in the Newcastle game. They pop one in, i was barely flinching. Kuyt's lucky equalizer. Oh, alright. Minutes later, i simply switched off.

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« Reply #10574 on: December 30, 2010, 10:54:09 AM »
Really don't know how to answer this Vic if I'm honest, I'm numb this morning after last night but I'm stunned by those words.  To think he went, against his better judgement as it turned out, to be treated in my eyes as a second class citizen is astonishing. 

I know Shanks was a big personality Vic but a Club of our size could and should have afforded him the respect he'd not only earned but deserved.



Sadly folks we all need to remember that those who sit in boardrooms know jack shit about what's important to the fans. Far too many routinely interfered  because they had (and still have!) the money and the votes round the big table. The board of directors seem to have limited powers of recall about who the fuck delivered the success in whose afterglow they continued to bask undeservedly.

I have a long memory and the directors of football clubs when I were a lad were fucking clueless. At my club, after the astonishingly brave job done in  the aftermath of Munich by Jimmy Murphy as Matt Busby was at death's door in the Rechts der Isaar hospital those pillars of the establishment round the boardroom table ought to habe been hung,drawn and de-bollocked for their behaviour to Jimmy once Matt had returned to work.
During his time as caretaker through the club's darkest days, non-driver Jim was allocated a taxi to pick him up and ferry him to his duties focussed on saving  the club as chaos ensued. As soon as Matt was back at the helm and healthy though, Jimmy was told the taxi was stopping and he'd have to go back to coming on the bus!FFS!!
The immeasurable pomposity and ingratitude of these shitehawks defies understanding.... :no

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Shabby is not the word to use to describe how so many of them were treated after ahem "the Lord Mayor's show"  as it were.

The honour these guys earned by their vision, their strength of character, their belief in the right things must never be allowed to be diminished by the midgets in boardrooms.
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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #10575 on: December 30, 2010, 10:55:48 AM »
Numb. Can't even put into words the very depth of my emotions.

For me, it started in the Newcastle game. They pop one in, i was barely flinching. Kuyt's lucky equalizer. Oh, alright. Minutes later, i simply switched off.

The numbness for me started at the Sunderland game, who knows, maybe we've become more conditioned to it now.  We'd only gone to protest afterwards, that game was some eye-opener, we had absolutely no interest in it whatsoever, in fact we were that interested we couldn't wait for it to be over.

Thankfully I only watched the first half of the Newcastle game, had to drop my son off for a Christmas Party, my hubby said I drew the long straw on that one.

Sad, sad times. 
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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #10576 on: December 30, 2010, 10:55:55 AM »
It does get worse JP, there is a bit more if you want to read it.

I soon realised that Liverpool preferred me to make my own arrangements, so that's what I started to do. I asked other clubs for tickets, sometimes when Liverpool were the visiting team and sometimes to see other teams play. I have not been short of invtations from other clubs either, Derby County invited me to a match, West Ham asked me to be their guest when they played Liverpool in the FA Cup.Ron Greenwood, West Hams general manager couldn't have been nicer, we even had a meal together. Tommy Docherty invited me to Old Trafford when Manchester United played Liverpool in a night match. Tommy invited me to have a meal with him in the restuarant and we enjoyed a wonderful hour of banter before the match. Sydney Reakes, the liverpool director said to Tommy "I see Bill Shankly is here", "Aye" said Tommy, "he's always welcome here".
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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #10577 on: December 30, 2010, 10:59:46 AM »
Numb. Can't even put into words the very depth of my emotions.

For me, it started in the Newcastle game. They pop one in, i was barely flinching. Kuyt's lucky equalizer. Oh, alright. Minutes later, i simply switched off.

you must be a sensitive soul if you kept caring about results that long

think something has to give now  though - i'm starting to get angry ( a good sign I think) its like the Zulu's have come back to finish us off after we've held 'em off all night - either the fat lady aka nesv sings or we go down fighting - surrender aint  an option

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« Reply #10578 on: December 30, 2010, 11:03:33 AM »
A 16 year old boy just popped in. Supported for 6 years. I asked if he knows whats going on. "Dunno as much as you do, but Liverpool for life". Lovely.

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« Reply #10579 on: December 30, 2010, 11:05:52 AM »
It does get worse JP, there is a bit more if you want to read it.

I soon realised that Liverpool preferred me to make my own arrangements, so that's what I started to do. I asked other clubs for tickets, sometimes when Liverpool were the visiting team and sometimes to see other teams play. I have not been short of invtations from other clubs either, Derby County invited me to a match, West Ham asked me to be their guest when they played Liverpool in the FA Cup.Ron Greenwood, West Hams general manager couldn't have been nicer, we even had a meal together. Tommy Docherty invited me to Old Trafford when Manchester United played Liverpool in a night match. Tommy invited me to have a meal with him in the restuarant and we enjoyed a wonderful hour of banter before the match. Sydney Reakes, the liverpool director said to Tommy "I see Bill Shankly is here", "Aye" said Tommy, "he's always welcome here".

but wasn't one of the problems that Bob didn't want the shadow of shanks (and he probably had a shadow that could walk and talk on its own) around the place?

such a strong personality the argument was players would have been torn and Bob wouldn't be able to lead wasn't it?

the issue then is how  do you treat the man with the respect he clearly deserved but keep him apart?

tricky that and  the club just didn't know how and took the easy option - very sad

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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #10580 on: December 30, 2010, 11:06:10 AM »
Really don't know how to answer this Vic if I'm honest, I'm numb this morning after last night but I'm stunned by those words.  To think he went, against his better judgement as it turned out, to be treated in my eyes as a second class citizen is astonishing. 

I know Shanks was a big personality Vic but a Club of our size could and should have afforded him the respect he'd not only earned but deserved.

There's this thing (maybe just in Australia, I'm not sure) called The Tall Poppy Syndrome. Lesser mortals like to cut down those that have achieved. I'm thinking Shanks was a victim of that. Individuals did not have the guts to afford him respect.
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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #10581 on: December 30, 2010, 11:06:34 AM »
you must be a sensitive soul if you kept caring about results that long

think something has to give now  though - i'm starting to get angry ( a good sign I think) its like the Zulu's have come back to finish us off after we've held 'em off all night - either the fat lady aka nesv sings or we go down fighting - surrender aint  an option


Yep I have to agree with that
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« Reply #10582 on: December 30, 2010, 11:07:57 AM »
It does get worse JP, there is a bit more if you want to read it.

I soon realised that Liverpool preferred me to make my own arrangements, so that's what I started to do. I asked other clubs for tickets, sometimes when Liverpool were the visiting team and sometimes to see other teams play. I have not been short of invtations from other clubs either, Derby County invited me to a match, West Ham asked me to be their guest when they played Liverpool in the FA Cup.Ron Greenwood, West Hams general manager couldn't have been nicer, we even had a meal together. Tommy Docherty invited me to Old Trafford when Manchester United played Liverpool in a night match. Tommy invited me to have a meal with him in the restuarant and we enjoyed a wonderful hour of banter before the match. Sydney Reakes, the liverpool director said to Tommy "I see Bill Shankly is here", "Aye" said Tommy, "he's always welcome here".

Vic, if you don't mind, I'll answer that with a quote from Johnno's excellent post .......

"The immeasurable pomposity and ingratitude of these shitehawks defies understanding....

Giants of the game gave the very essence of their being to the clubs they served with great distinction - there are far too many unsung heroes in the old game to list here but I think you can get my drift.

Shabby is not the word to use to describe how so many of them were treated after ahem "the Lord Mayor's show"  as it were.

The honour these guys earned by their vision, their strength of character, their belief in the right things must never be allowed to be diminished by the midgets in boardrooms. "

"... I can only add that the Liverpool fans know the story and the truth. And they know that it is easy to pass judgment if you have been in power for 24 years."  Rafa Benitez 18.09.10

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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #10583 on: December 30, 2010, 11:12:19 AM »
you must be a sensitive soul if you kept caring about results that long

think something has to give now  though - i'm starting to get angry ( a good sign I think) its like the Zulu's have come back to finish us off after we've held 'em off all night - either the fat lady aka nesv sings or we go down fighting - surrender aint  an option

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« Reply #10584 on: December 30, 2010, 11:15:54 AM »
but wasn't one of the problems that Bob didn't want the shadow of shanks (and he probably had a shadow that could walk and talk on its own) around the place?

such a strong personality the argument was players would have been torn and Bob wouldn't be able to lead wasn't it?

the issue then is how  do you treat the man with the respect he clearly deserved but keep him apart?

tricky that and  the club just didn't know how and took the easy option - very sad



Yes I am sure there was a bit of that, when Matt Busby retired and he was made a director of Utd, the players always deferred to him rather than the manager, Wilf McGuiness, Dave Sexton, Frank O'Farrell,  I think it was McGuiness who took all the shit, being compared to Busby etc.it took a while before United sorted it but they did and Sir Matt stayed on the board.
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« Reply #10585 on: December 30, 2010, 11:18:33 AM »
Vic, if you don't mind, I'll answer that with a quote from Johnno's excellent post .......

"The immeasurable pomposity and ingratitude of these shitehawks defies understanding....

Giants of the game gave the very essence of their being to the clubs they served with great distinction - there are far too many unsung heroes in the old game to list here but I think you can get my drift.

Shabby is not the word to use to describe how so many of them were treated after ahem "the Lord Mayor's show"  as it were.

The honour these guys earned by their vision, their strength of character, their belief in the right things must never be allowed to be diminished by the midgets in boardrooms. "



Lovely post that, I will save it if you don't mind. I have a little bit more for you but I will post it this afternoon ok
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« Reply #10586 on: December 30, 2010, 11:20:51 AM »
Lovely post that, I will save it if you don't mind. I have a little bit more for you but I will post it this afternoon ok

It was Johnno's Vic and yes it was a lovely post and yes, please put some more up this afternoon.
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« Reply #10587 on: December 30, 2010, 02:28:18 PM »
Alright ladies and gents, just wondering if any of you remember Andrew Hannahs equaliser against burslew port vale to preserve our only unbeaten full season in the 1893/4 season, to clinch our promotion from the second tier. Scored from a bounce ball on their line, after the ball was lost in a scrimmage(ruck) on the port vale  line

It was a long time ago, but I could have sworn it was Burslem Port Vale. It was the only league goal Hannah got for us, and the match was won by an 89th minute goal scored by Joe McQue.

(got the gen from "Liverpool- A complete Record" by Brian Pead. Covers 1892-1986)


Living in the past better than the present at the moment when it comes to OUR team!!! >:(

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« Reply #10588 on: December 30, 2010, 03:11:02 PM »
Just dropped in to wish all you Arl reprobates all the very best for the New Year.
Let's hope it's all you would wish for you and your's and of course for the greatest Football Club on the planet.

Let's hope it's a good one....without any tears eh?

Have a great one boys & girls.
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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #10589 on: December 30, 2010, 03:17:26 PM »
Just dropped in to wish all you Arl reprobates all the very best for the New Year.
Let's hope it's all you would wish for you and your's and of course for the greatest Football Club on the planet.

Let's hope it's a good one....without any tears eh?

Have a great one boys & girls.
You too, Ray - and my best wishes to everyone on here as well for a happy and healthy 2011.   

Thankfully no tears yet - blind rage is the only thing holding them back, to be honest!   >:(

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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #10590 on: December 30, 2010, 03:41:22 PM »
Just dropped in to wish all you Arl reprobates all the very best for the New Year.
Let's hope it's all you would wish for you and your's and of course for the greatest Football Club on the planet.

Let's hope it's a good one....without any tears eh?

Have a great one boys & girls.

All the best to you and yours mate - good to see you back posting, there was a concern you had got your marching orders like the Bournemouth 1.

Hope we all get what we want for 2011 - although to be honest I'd be happy with getting through the night without having to get up for a pee!
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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #10591 on: December 30, 2010, 03:48:50 PM »
Just dropped in to wish all you Arl reprobates all the very best for the New Year.
Let's hope it's all you would wish for you and your's and of course for the greatest Football Club on the planet.

Let's hope it's a good one....without any tears eh?

Have a great one boys & girls.
You too mate, and get back on here posting, you arl quim...   ;)
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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #10592 on: December 30, 2010, 04:03:17 PM »
Just dropped in to wish all you Arl reprobates all the very best for the New Year.
Let's hope it's all you would wish for you and your's and of course for the greatest Football Club on the planet.

Let's hope it's a good one....without any tears eh?

Have a great one boys & girls.

Starting to worry about you mate, is all ok ? Thanks for that and may I wish you and yours everything you wish for your selves
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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #10593 on: December 30, 2010, 04:06:47 PM »
Just dropped in to wish all you Arl reprobates all the very best for the New Year.
Let's hope it's all you would wish for you and your's and of course for the greatest Football Club on the planet.

Let's hope it's a good one....without any tears eh?

Have a great one boys & girls.

Nice to see a friendly 'reprobrate' username posting in here. 

Hope you and yours have a peaceful and Happy New Year.




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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #10594 on: December 30, 2010, 04:30:23 PM »
To continue,

I might add that I count Everton amongst the clubs who have welcomed me over the last few seasons. I have been received more warmly by Everton than I have by Liverpool.
It is scandalous and outrageous that I should have to write these things about the club I helped to build what it is today. It would have been a wonderful honour to have been made a director of Liverpool Football Club, but I don't go round saying "I would like to be this or that, That's begging and I'm not a beggar!! No no-- anything I have done and everything i have got, I have worked for.
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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #10595 on: December 30, 2010, 04:33:20 PM »
Tommy Docherty invited me to Old Trafford when Manchester United played Liverpool in a night match. Tommy invited me to have a meal with him in the restuarant and we enjoyed a wonderful hour of banter before the match. Sydney Reakes, the liverpool director said to Tommy "I see Bill Shankly is here", "Aye" said Tommy, "he's always welcome here".

For shame. The mancs treated Shanks better than his own did.

Purslow had one or two historical predecessors with us it seems.
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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #10596 on: December 30, 2010, 04:39:16 PM »
but wasn't one of the problems that Bob didn't want the shadow of shanks (and he probably had a shadow that could walk and talk on its own) around the place?

such a strong personality the argument was players would have been torn and Bob wouldn't be able to lead wasn't it?


Thats true Vulmea, Bob had the hardest job in many ways because he had to walk in Shanks's shadow. But its still strange how he was treated so discourteously. A bit of tact and nuance would have been in order.
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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #10597 on: December 30, 2010, 05:25:45 PM »
So between our two biggest rivals they treated  a man so revered by our supporters with more respect and decency than our own board of directors and to think Shanks once said  if Everton were playing at the bottom of the garden, I'd pull the curtains.'  I believe that would have been said in jest Vic but it does make you wonder whether he would ever come to regret saying that.

A forward thinking man who not only changed the playing and training methods but also the ethos of the club, laying the foundations for where we are today to be treated in such an unfair manner, is very hard to fathom.   

I know Shanks was a massive personality to have around and that would have put unfair pressure on Bob but surely there was a compromise the board could have made, given that both men would have known each other inside out. 

Who knows what our history would be now had the internet been available all those years ago.
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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #10598 on: December 30, 2010, 05:51:13 PM »
Just dropped in to wish all you Arl reprobates all the very best for the New Year.
Let's hope it's all you would wish for you and your's and of course for the greatest Football Club on the planet.

Let's hope it's a good one....without any tears eh?

Have a great one boys & girls.

Back at you Shanks mate.

Don't go getting yourself lost now eh lad? This place can't afford to lose its nuggets... ;)
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Re: For all the auld arses.
« Reply #10599 on: December 30, 2010, 06:15:15 PM »
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A forward thinking man who not only changed the playing and training methods but also the ethos of the club, laying the foundations for where we are today to be treated in such an unfair manner, is very hard to fathom.   



It's very interesting to note the parallels between Matt Busby and Shanks - aside for the obvious Scots, working class etc
Before he came to pick up the shattered pieces of what was left of Old Trafford after the Luftwaffe had finished with Trafford Park, Matt was offered a third coach position at Anfield - a bit part role for the club's ex-skipper now the war was over. Matt - ever a determined visionary - wanted more than a bit part role. He wanted to call far more shots than any club manager of those times had ever done. Liverpool in making the standard offer of a back room position to him missed the changing mood of the nation post 1945. Had they taken a chance on the 36 year old Busby and his of their time outrageous demands to run the playing side of things who knows what might have happened ?

Shanks was both a big fan and a great friend of Matt. True believers in the ideals of honour, integrity and a feel for the common man, they changed the face of football in this land forever. Interesting too was the role Matt played as club captain of Liverpool in taking a certain youngster from Bishop Auckland and Wearside under his wing immediately prior to WW2. 
We all know that in  due course that young unassuming bloke from the North East would go on carve his own pride of place - writ large in the annals of our game.
Bloody hell eh - what a time it must have been to have been around such visionaries making their magic with bringing through the raw talent that we had - and still have imo - in these islands of ours.

I believe though that today's football masters - many of them knowing Jack about our game, its history and traditions - and most caring less ! - would never tolerate the time necessary for the building of teams a la Busby, Shanks and Paisley.

These acknowledged greats of our game would have been given very short shrift in the success NOW mentality that pervades and poisons our game.
What on earth has our game become? A cash cow for all the pimps of the planet. Bastards
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