Topic: Loris Karius

[coutinho and firmino]

End of the day he is cheap and has time to develop. Worst case scenario he has a bad season and becomes the understudy the next. Personally though from the interviews and the way he presents himself in the press he looks like a confident lad and should be able to have a solid campaign with Klopp's guidance.

[MobileBayRed]

My only question is can two alpha dog GKs coexist in the same team?

The competition could work out and drive both of them forward, or it could be destabilizing.  Time will tell.

[VIA]

Honestly think Karius will be the No 1. Mignolet was given a contract to maintain his performance towards the second half of the season. You do not want your keeper to be wracked with doubts at any time. With Karius on board, if Mignolet leaves, we get a decent price for him.
I do however, question our keeper staff. Reina tailed off after Benitez left, Mignolet wasnt very good... just wondering if there isn't a massive improvement to be had there.

[Solomon Grundy]

Goalkeeper coaching has been questioned a few times on here. I don't know if anyone could tell you if Achtenburg is part of the problem or not, as none of us have worked with him, seen him coach or are qualified enough to say whether or not he is good at what he does. If Karius goes to shit though you really will have to wonder...

[CraigDS]

Goalkeeper coaching has been questioned a few times on here. I don't know if anyone could tell you if Achtenburg is part of the problem or not, as none of us have worked with him, seen him coach or are qualified enough to say whether or not he is good at what he does. If Karius goes to shit though you really will have to wonder...

The guy was hired by Rafa, kept by Kenny, kept by Rodgers and so far kept by Klopp.

They've all worked with him daily, so I'm gonna assume were all very happy with his work.

Either that or he has nudie pics of Ayre.

[Solomon Grundy]

The guy was hired by Rafa, kept by Kenny, kept by Rodgers and so far kept by Klopp.

They've all worked with him daily, so I'm gonna assume were all very happy with his work.

Either that or he has nudie pics of Ayre.

 I think you may be onto something.

[Nessy76]

The guy was hired by Rafa, kept by Kenny, kept by Rodgers and so far kept by Klopp.

They've all worked with him daily, so I'm gonna assume were all very happy with his work.

Either that or he has nudie pics of Ayre.

He was the only senior coach kept on by Rodgers, the only one to survive the cull following that, and the only one also kept in role by Klopp (although Pepin Ljinders was also retained in a slightly modified role.)

He's worked under five different Liverpool managers. So if he's not good enough it must be almost impossible to find someone who is.

Reina had an injury and hasn't been the same since, even when he was working with Rafa and valero at Napoli. Mignolet is certainly no worse than when we got him, and in some areas he has improved a lot.

[Kopenhagen]

Delighted we signed this fella instead of the very overrated & overpriced Ter Stegen, who just conceded yet another howler. 

[NaivetyinBlack]

Superb signing. This is how we should do business. Sign players right after their breakthrough season. Great price and would definitely cement his place as the starting GK.

Nivea likes him, too.

[houkura]

This Achtenberg nonsense online..on twitter and elsewhere is hilarious. All of a sudden all of the experts and ITKs think he's the reason we have had keeper issues. Granted I haven't seen it on twitter because I don't go anywhere near it but it overflows onto here and other online articles. As if anyone knows how the training goes. If Klopp likes him I think I'll defer to him.

Re: Karius...I think we really scored a fantastic up and coming keeper here. Voted #2 in Germany by his peers-this is quite a statement. He's only 22 and there are loads of good keepers in Germany. He will be our number 1 I would be willing to bet a substantial amount.

[Guz-kop]

The guy was hired by Rafa, kept by Kenny, kept by Rodgers and so far kept by Klopp.

They've all worked with him daily, so I'm gonna assume were all very happy with his work.

Either that or he has nudie pics of Ayre.

Same could be said of Martin Skrtel.

I'm only pulling your leg though. Haven't a fucking clue whether our players are any good  let alone the bloody coaches

I'm delighted we've done a bit of early business with the keeper though, good luck to him

[houkura]

Remains to be seen. With Courtois still not 100%, Mignolet might end up a regular for Belgium over the summer, and they're among the favourites for the Euros. Could inflate his value a fair bit.
My guess is he'll stay and try to win his place.

I don't think he will stay to try and win his place. It's his to lose. I don't think he will be our first choice keeper at the end of next season but it's certainly his position on day one of next season barring injury.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

I don't think he will stay to try and win his place. It's his to lose. I don't think he will be our first choice keeper at the end of next season but it's certainly his position on day one of next season barring injury.

I doubt it. It's not his to lose. He's already lost it.

Karius has been brought in as no.1 and he will start as no.1 (barring an Olympic call-up).

[mc_red22]

I don't think he will stay to try and win his place. It's his to lose. I don't think he will be our first choice keeper at the end of next season but it's certainly his position on day one of next season barring injury.

It's certainly his position on day one? And how would you know this exactly?

[Ken-Obi]

It's certainly his position on day one? And how would you know this exactly?

You're seriously asking this question, on RAWK?

[DanA]

There's no guarantees but you'd be an idiot to think a keeper of Karius' standing came without assurances of being first choice. Same as when Mignolet came despite Reina still being here.

[Sammy5IsAlive]

I think it is important we don't get ahead of ourselves here. The way I see it at the moment Mignolet is still going to start the season No1 but with the knowledge that he's got no room for error. That's the way it should be at a good club. But if that is the case it is important that he is at least given the chance to prove himself. Everyone sitting there on tenterhooks waiting for the first sniff of a mistake to start howling for a change could prove counter-productive.

Mignolet has quite rightly taken some criticism during his time here. Everything points to him being in the last chance saloon at the club. But if he starts in August it is really important that everybody gets behind him and hopes for him to stay No 1 all season because of his good form.

[Sammy5IsAlive]

There's no guarantees but you'd be an idiot to think a keeper of Karius' standing came without assurances of being first choice. Same as when Mignolet came despite Reina still being here.

He's 22 and given the financial situation of the Premier League I'd imagine that we are paying him more than he'd get elsewhere. Of course he is going to believe in himself that he can get the starting place but I don't think that we would have had to give him any promises to get him over to the club.

[BeautifulGame91]

He's 22 and given the financial situation of the Premier League I'd imagine that we are paying him more than he'd get elsewhere. Of course he is going to believe in himself that he can get the starting place but I don't think that we would have had to give him any promises to get him over to the club.

Kicker mentioned that Klopp has given Karius assurances if no.1 before signing him .

You are being bit naive if one of the best GKs in Bundensliga will come without such assurances .If it was about PL finances then he would have just stayed at Man City pocketing far more

[BeautifulGame91]

He's 22 and given the financial situation of the Premier League I'd imagine that we are paying him more than he'd get elsewhere. Of course he is going to believe in himself that he can get the starting place but I don't think that we would have had to give him any promises to get him over to the club.

Kicker mentioned that Klopp has given Karius assurances if no.1 before signing him .

You are being bit naive if one of the best GKs in Bundensliga will come without such assurances .If it was about PL finances then he would have just stayed at Man City pocketing far more .

[Semaphore]

Just saw the Germany game and the poor goals conceded by Leno and Ter Stegen.
Karius looking very good right now.

[thejbs]

Kicker mentioned that Klopp has given Karius assurances if no.1 before signing him .

You are being bit naive if one of the best GKs in Bundensliga will come without such assurances .If it was about PL finances then he would have just stayed at Man City pocketing far more .

Assures him he'll be number 1... after he signs, hands him a jersey with the number 1 on it and shouts 'PSYCHE' in his face.

[Fromola]

We've got a promising young goalkeeper to develop but Achterberg is the person to develop him. Not good.

While Achterberg is still here we need the finished article. Mignolet hasn't developed one part of his game in 3 years.

[Ratboy3G]

We've got a promising young goalkeeper to develop but Achterberg is the person to develop him. Not good.

While Achterberg is still here we need the finished article. Mignolet hasn't developed one part of his game in 3 years.

Can't keep up with all these scapegoats currently at the club, last season Mignolet then last week it was Moreno and now we're back to Achterberg again.

[Banquo's Ghost]

I do find this stuff about 'assurances' to be odd. A manager of Klopp's stature guaranteeing a player that he will start? Regardless of performance?

Nonsense, in my view. I would understand if Jürgen had promised him he will have every chance to claim the spot with no favouritism being shown to the incumbent. I would expect Karius to be confident in his own ability to believe he will be our starting goalkeeper in short order. I would also expect Mignolet to rise to the challenge with his utmost ability.

Every other position on the pitch we would aspire to have at least two senior players pushing each other to the limit to wear the red shirt, hopefully with a talented youngster doing enough to keep them on their toes. I don't see why this competitive pressure shouldn't apply just as much to the green shirt too.

[Ken-Obi]

Can't keep up with all these scapegoats currently at the club, last season Mignolet then last week it was Moreno and now we're back to Achterberg again.

Imagine if we actually signed Gotze.

[houkura]

I do find this stuff about 'assurances' to be odd. A manager of Klopp's stature guaranteeing a player that he will start? Regardless of performance?

Nonsense, in my view. I would understand if Jürgen had promised him he will have every chance to claim the spot with no favouritism being shown to the incumbent. I would expect Karius to be confident in his own ability to believe he will be our starting goalkeeper in short order. I would also expect Mignolet to rise to the challenge with his utmost ability.

Every other position on the pitch we would aspire to have at least two senior players pushing each other to the limit to wear the red shirt, hopefully with a talented youngster doing enough to keep them on their toes. I don't see why this competitive pressure shouldn't apply just as much to the green shirt too.

You're absolutely right. Klopp has said before he never gives anyone assurances about places in the team. Don't care if "Kicker" claims he did-it's nonsense.

[KenDoddsDeadDadsDogsDead]

Imagine if we actually signed Gotze.

Yes he's had a lucky escape, Gotze.

[harleydanger]

Every other position on the pitch we would aspire to have at least two senior players pushing each other to the limit to wear the red shirt, hopefully with a talented youngster doing enough to keep them on their toes. I don't see why this competitive pressure shouldn't apply just as much to the green shirt too.

GK's are different.

Nearly every GK will tell you, feeling pressure for your spot will result in a dip in your performance. Managers know this, keepers know this. That's why GK's are rarely dropped, and if they are it is usually the end for them at that club.

[Banquo's Ghost]

GK's are different.

Nearly every GK will tell you, feeling pressure for your spot will result in a dip in your performance. Managers know this, keepers know this. That's why GK's are rarely dropped, and if they are it is usually the end for them at that club.

That's fascinating. I won't challenge your opinion, as I've never played the position and observation seems to back your view, but I'd be very interested in the psychology involved. Why would competition cause mental fragility for goalkeepers alone? If you have any links to studies on this, I'd be grateful.

[harleydanger]

That's fascinating. I won't challenge your opinion, as I've never played the position and observation seems to back your view, but I'd be very interested in the psychology involved. Why would competition cause mental fragility for goalkeepers alone? If you have any links to studies on this, I'd be grateful.

GK's union.

For me, and others i've talked to in rep teams and such, it's about confidence. GK is really the only position where you can lose the game with one mistake on a regular basis. It's the only position that is purely reactionary and you need such confidence and speed of thought to play the position well that as soon as doubt creeps in and you start 2nd guessing yourself you're done, you worry about a mistake and it's only a matter of time before one happens.

There's also the angle that the defence needs a general, and that should be the keeper, if only because they have the best view of the game, you switch up the general constantly and the troops are confused and suffer.

[MolbyLovesGravlax]

No way has Klopp assured the lad of anything other than if he works hard he'll get opportunities and if he grabs those he could be number 1 for a decade or more.

[Boer_War]

Would Mignolet not of asked for assurances before signing a 5 year contract?

Interesting to see who starts the first match. Klopp talks allot of the importance of pre-season, I'd imagine that will be a big factor.

[SerbianScouser]

Would Mignolet not of asked for assurances before signing a 5 year contract?

Has Mignolet made any assurances he won`t be making any mistakes?

[Banquo's Ghost]

GK's union.

For me, and others i've talked to in rep teams and such, it's about confidence. GK is really the only position where you can lose the game with one mistake on a regular basis. It's the only position that is purely reactionary and you need such confidence and speed of thought to play the position well that as soon as doubt creeps in and you start 2nd guessing yourself you're done, you worry about a mistake and it's only a matter of time before one happens.

There's also the angle that the defence needs a general, and that should be the keeper, if only because they have the best view of the game, you switch up the general constantly and the troops are confused and suffer.

OK, thanks for your insight. I'm a bit of a student of performance psychology, so you've provoked my curiosity and I'll do some further research.

Sorry if I dragged things off-topic.

[Zlen]

We've got a promising young goalkeeper to develop but Achterberg is the person to develop him. Not good.

While Achterberg is still here we need the finished article. Mignolet hasn't developed one part of his game in 3 years.

I'm sorry but I know shit about how LFC staff operate and who monitors them. How come you're an expert?

[Cork Red]

Can't keep up with all these scapegoats currently at the club, last season Mignolet then last week it was Moreno and now we're back to Achterberg again.

It's mad isn't it?  99.99% of the members of this forum know the sum total of fuck all about the technicalities of goalkeeper coaching (myself included) yet it has become an article of faith that Achterberg isn't up to it?  He's on his 5th manager here now, so maybe those who do know a little bit about coaching rate him?

[Redman0151]

It's mad isn't it?  99.99% of the members of this forum know the sum total of fuck all about the technicalities of goalkeeper coaching (myself included) yet it has become an article of faith that Achterberg isn't up to it?  He's on his 5th manager here now, so maybe those who do know a little bit about coaching rate him?

It's a really strange one, i'm not sure where it originated from past a vague correlation = causation. I know people who hold a lot of anger about Achterberg, for seemingly no reason.

I don't know if it was just a refusal to accept Reina's obvious decline, so Achterberg got the brunt of it. I've never really seen any other club have fans complain about their goalkeeper coach

[Boer_War]

It's mad isn't it?  99.99% of the members of this forum know the sum total of fuck all about the technicalities of goalkeeper coaching (myself included) yet it has become an article of faith that Achterberg isn't up to it?  He's on his 5th manager here now, so maybe those who do know a little bit about coaching rate him?

Yeah it's mad people are blaming these guys. It is obviously Josemi's fault we didn't have a good season.

[SerbianScouser]

Yeah it's mad people are blaming these guys. It is obviously Josemi's fault we didn't have a good season.

You have to take into consideration Achterberg was most likely consulted when Mignolet was scouted; and now after 3 years we can conclude Mignolet was brought in for a decent fee while having some fundamental technical flaws in his game.