Topic: where are our young local lads?

[chinesereds]

It's frustrating to see another 16 yo bluenose to make his name in premiership after that big fat twat went to the Mancs
are the better quality local lads all gone to the other side of the park?
Have a look at the squad of our U18
I really dun think there's one who can hit the premiership before 20
It's fucking sad to see the bluenoses produce another 16 yo prospect in just a couple of yrs time while we are still struggling in finding the next gerrard in our best-equipped academy

[Gareth]

He's 16, and a prospect. Nothing more. Anyone can lob a young player into a team, doesn't mean that the player will go on to be anything special. Also, having great facilities is no guarantee of a rolling production line of potential world class players. If it was that easy then every team would be doing it.

Warnock, Potter and Welsh have all been given good runouts this season, so i don't see what there is to complain about right now in terms of our Academy?

[raptor]

I must admit the lack of quality youngsters coming through has been a concern, from what I have read though the current u16's have been showing a lot of promise.

[LuisGracias]

It's frustrating to see another 16 yo bluenose to make his name in premiership after that big fat twat went to the Mancs
are the better quality local lads all gone to the other side of the park?
Have a look at the squad of our U18
I really dun think there's one who can hit the premiership before 20
It's fucking sad to see the bluenoses produce another 16 yo prospect in just a couple of yrs time while we are still struggling in finding the next gerrard in our best-equipped academy

Makes me laugh the amount of our fans who think a Gerrard should come along each season. Get in the real world.

[raptor]

Imho I can't see either Welsh or Potter making the grade long term. Warnock is 24 now and has been around the fringe for several years, obviously has been unlucky with injuries as well but looks he could provide more options on the left flank.

[Crazy-Horse]

Gerrard, Welsh, Carragher, Warnock - all involved yesterday. It could be worse, we could be Arsenal.

[ttnbd]

everton are putting a 16 year old in because they don't have much choice.

[redmanphil]

I still believe that if Rooney had been on Utd's books from day one, he would just be breaking through now!

[J Molby]

Gerrard, Welsh, Carragher, Warnock - all involved yesterday. It could be worse, we could be Arsenal.

Yeah could be worse, we could be champions. Sounds good to me. We need our youth to have a strong team. We cant afford 10m players for every postion so need young players coming through. Yes its a concern

[chinesereds]

Makes me laugh the amount of our fans who think a Gerrard should come along each season. Get in the real world.

It's a shame that you didn't read my post carefully
When did SG come through the ranks?
It's 2005 now and for few years already there is no one coming through from the academy
Mellor and Welsh are fringe players at the moment with only Warnock shares more first team action recently
Look at the 90s and we've produced mcmanaman, fowler, thompson, owen, gerrard....
so now it's the middle of 2000's and still the academy has produced nothing of that class
We have the best facilities among academies in the UK and it's reasonable that fans expect more from the academy isn't it?

[zigackly]

Look at the 90s and we've produced mcmanaman, fowler, thompson, owen, gerrard....
so now it's the middle of 2000's and still the academy has produced nothing of that class
We have the best facilities among academies in the UK and it's reasonable that fans expect more from the academy isn't it?

Not just us though, the Mancs had quite a crop in the nineties but not much since. I think the best kids are going to smaller clubs because they think there's more of a chance of coming through, which I don't suppose I can blame them for.

ps you forgot Carra!

[waffle]

He is not even from liverpool

[chinesereds]

He's 16, and a prospect. Nothing more. Anyone can lob a young player into a team, doesn't mean that the player will go on to be anything special. Also, having great facilities is no guarantee of a rolling production line of potential world class players. If it was that easy then every team would be doing it.

Warnock, Potter and Welsh have all been given good runouts this season, so i don't see what there is to complain about right now in terms of our Academy?

of course we are happy to see the likes of welsh, warnock, mellor have their shares of first team football this season
but it could be argue that it was due to the injury woes that we suffered throughout the season
If we are talking about players who have good prospect to sustain a first team place in our squad in the coming couple of seasons, I doubt I can find one.  Maybe warnock or welsh would hv some hope....

I'm not complaining the Academy alone.  There are so many reasons behind the lack young lads coming through
The scouting network, Academy coaches, manager's policy...etc
I do hope RB will do something about it

[chinesereds]

Not just us though, the Mancs had quite a crop in the nineties but not much since. I think the best kids are going to smaller clubs because they think there's more of a chance of coming through, which I don't suppose I can blame them for.

ps you forgot Carra!

spot on mate

but I've been quite frustrated with the situation for a few years, though I'm truly glad for warnock and welsh that they have a chance to show their talents....

[Davidoc]

Although you cant argue with our academy turnover in the 90's, it still needed improvement, which its got. so no-ones came thru with the quality needed, what can we do? scrap it?

Good job the Acadmey got improved as I do believe No scout from LFC ever watched me. They missed out bigtime, I can do just as good a job as Richie Partridge, I seem to get injured every Sunday.

[Something Else]

The need for success. Thompson said that when he was at LIverpool unless a youth player was good enough for cl football they would be unlikely to make it.

[Guz-kop]

Where are United's local lads? Or Arsenal's or Chelsea's? Or Newcastle's? And I dont mean 16 year old africans bought for £500k, there'a real shortage everywhere.

If we can churn out a Gerrard or an Owen every 5 years, surely the academy is more than self funding.

[Something Else]

Where are United's local lads? Or Arsenal's or Chelsea's? Or Newcastle's? And I dont mean 16 year old africans bought for £500k, there'a real shortage everywhere.

If we can churn out a Gerrard or an Owen every 5 years, surely the academy is more than self funding.

i agree with you but also, Arsenal are doing something very clever. Where we spend 10 mill on a player they spend it on 15 youngsters they get a few and they done well. Would be nice to have young local lads but what about gettin young lads in

[Spartacus (Mrs)]

Local players and local fans only - that's what we need, where are you from Chinesereds?

[Something Else]

Local players and local fans only - that's what we need, where are you from Chinesereds?

it would be great to have lots of true scousers playin for us, but if there not there then surely lookin somewhere else is next best option

[chinesereds]

Local players and local fans only - that's what we need, where are you from Chinesereds?

I remember there's a rule from FA saying that for kids under certain age, the Academy can only recruit them if they are living within certain miles away from the Academy
so if a young lad comes through the ranks from the Academy these days, he must have been lived in the local area for a period of time, and I'll call those lads local ones

so who cares where I come from? 

[koolkamal]

it would be great to have lots of true scousers playin for us, but if there not there then surely lookin somewhere else is next best option

Firstly doesnt mean that he is 16 that he's going to set the world alight. It doesnt mean we dont have 16 year olds that we're throwing into the squad, mostly small clubs will give more opportunity to younger players because they dont have the money to go and buy players. Name one big club that has so many youth team players in the team. Right now we have Warnock, Welsh, Mellor, Raven, Potter all who have figured this season, noones sure whether they will be here for years to come but signs look good, you dont have to be 16, its not like Zidance was setting the world alight at 16.

[Spartacus (Mrs)]

I remember there's a rule from FA saying that for kids under certain age, the Academy can only recruit them if they are living within certain miles away from the Academy
so if a young lad comes through the ranks from the Academy these days, he must have been lived in the local area for a period of time, and I'll call those lads local ones

So you just move the family over, get the old man a job in the chipy and ye laughin.

so who cares where I come from? 

Me, local players and fans, so you're from?

[Paul Tomkins]

Imho I can't see either Welsh or Potter making the grade long term. Warnock is 24 now and has been around the fringe for several years, obviously has been unlucky with injuries as well but looks he could provide more options on the left flank.

It doesn't help people writing off 20-year-olds with bright futures, such as Potter. I mean, why want great kids if those coming through are going to be written off before they've even had a chance to develop? In his case, he's played 9 games this season, and is just learning the game.

And Warnock only turned 23 four months ago.

We have a collection of fine young players, including David Raven. But they have better players to get past in order to get a game than those at Everton. Our U18s are having a stinking season. But if two great players emerge from that side, that's better than 11 average ones.

[koolkamal]

It doesn't help people writing off 20-year-olds with bright futures, such as Potter. I mean, why want great kids if those coming through are going to be written off before they've even had a chance to develop? In his case, he's played 9 games this season, and is just learning the game.

And Warnock only turned 23 four months ago.

We have a collection of fine young players, including David Raven. But they have better players to get past in order to get a game than those at Everton. Our U18s are having a stinking season. But if two great players emerge from that side, that's better than 11 average ones.

I use to have a problem with some of them not getting any opportunities, but now they are and some trying to prove that they have what it takes, they been getting chances, welsh playing in the champions league, all good signs, although they have to be better then the players currently in the first team that will only come with more experience and more games which they are getting so for now they are settling as squad players with a future at Liverpool. I dont know if it makes sense what Im saying, it sounds better in my head.

[chinesereds]

We have a collection of fine young players, including David Raven. But they have better players to get past in order to get a game than those at Everton.

If the likes of Raven cannot get a chance for a long run in first team in this 2 yrs or so,
we'll just see another Richie Patridge and another free transfer

I'm not demanding to hv young lads bursting into the screen immediately in his first premiership season
but the fact that there is not a single young player who can sustain a place in the first team for the last 5 yrs or so does worry me

[zigackly]

Local players and local fans only

"Where are you from?"
"I'm a Liverpool fan from London."
"Well laddie . . . . What's it like to be in heaven?"

[Spartacus (Mrs)]

"Where are you from?"
"I'm a Liverpool fan from London."
"Well laddie . . . . What's it like to be in heaven?"

Oh the irony......

[ttnbd]

Anyone who expects the academy to be producing world class players like they were coming off a production line is dilusional.  The 90s were a bit of a purple patch when it came to home grown talents both at liverpool and at other clubs.

But for this season there have been the following who have played first team games:

Welsh
Warnock
Potter
Whitbread
Raven
Mellor

Warnock has had a good season with regards to appearences, welsh has recently been involved and mellor was involved alot, and would still be but for injury.

To have so many youngsters get a chance in the same season, and most of them help us get to a cup final, is a damn good job.  But don't expect that, or the 90s, to suddenly be the norm for every season.  The main idea is to ensure the best of the best get through to the first team, those with most potential.  Not just to get a load of local lads in for the sake of it.

[Brightonscouse]

Local players and local fans only - that's what we need, where are you from Chinesereds?

This is a Local club for local people.............lol

The FA rule is that academy players have to live within 90 minutes travel from the club they are signed to. We have had players from Ireland etc moving over to Liverpool and living with scouse families for years so that they live within the required travelling time. I'm sure with the restructuring of the scouting network that Rafa has done we will be seeing some young lads from further afield.

Clubs on the continent have been getting jobs for young players fathers/mothers  in their cities so that they move to within the required distance and sign for their clubs.

[Spartacus (Mrs)]

Clubs on the continent have been getting jobs for young players fathers/mothers  in their cities so that they move to within the required distance and sign for their clubs.

So you just move the family over, get the old man a job in the chipy and ye laughin.

 

[zigackly]

Oh the irony......

[Bob Kurac]

It's going to be very interesting watching the progress of Barratt and Noon, who both seem to have the potential. They're the only two who do from the current crop from the small number of times I've seen them play.

[Throxenby]

The FA rule is that academy players have to live within 90 minutes travel from the club they are signed to.

just need fast fukin drivers then

[Walton-red]

the way i look at it is when u keep buying players such as biscan, diao, traore etc who are there as cover from the 1st eleven and are never really going to compete to be in the 1st eleven then the chances for the youngsters will remain limeted. i think we should have only players who can compete for the 1st eleve such as gerrard alonso an hamman (cm) and then have youngsters to cover for them. meaning we would save money on shite such as biscan and have the chance of breeding another gerrard/fowler/owen

[ratcatcher]

Local players and local fans only - that's what we need, where are you from Chinesereds?

Yeah spot on. Isnt that what Newcastle United have been searching for the last 50 years? Wise up will yer?

[Spartacus (Mrs)]

Yeah spot on. Isnt that what Newcastle United have been searching for the last 50 years? Wise up will yer?

Ace, yeah wise up will yer.

[raptor]

I read somewhere that Karl Noon was being released, not sure how accurate that was, and Paul, I was not writing anyone off, I was merely saying that in MY opinion he (Potter) had not shown enough so far that he would make the first team on a long term basis.

[Filler.]

keep women out of football.

[Spartacus (Mrs)]

keep women out of football.

You got it !