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Thursday 15th April 2004?
« on: February 25, 2004, 04:52:52 PM »
National boycott the S*n day?

Is now the time to start thinking about promoting it and getting a few things prepared?

Ideas? Suggestions?


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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2004, 10:42:46 AM »
i dont know if this has been done before or not, but would it be an idea to issue a press releaseto all the other tabloids, regarding the boycott, how Liverpool fans will always continue to Boycott the rag. this may make other people who are unaware about the boycott not buy it, and also educate younger Liverpool fans, who for whatever reason may not be aware of the Boycott. this will bring us national attention, plus (a cynical point of view) will enable other tabloids to have a go at one of their biggest rivals.
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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2004, 10:46:39 AM »
Stevo... do you have a good quality image of that poster at all?
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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2004, 10:53:58 AM »
What about some online promotion to make other clubs (communities) aware of the campaign. 

According to statistics in January there were over 100,000 searches for the s*n newspaper on the Internet from UK users.  Most probably have never heard of the boycott.

www.s*n-boycott.co.uk is available by the way!


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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2004, 11:04:05 AM »

On the day of the boycott
Iwould like to see all the other
tabloids keep the prices the same
as normal,not use it as a chance to jump on the bandwagon for some extra sales
And also does not give the s*n an excuse
their sales were down because of other papers promotions

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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2004, 11:08:02 AM »
What about some online promotion to make other clubs (communities) aware of the campaign. 

According to statistics in January there were over 100,000 searches for the s*n newspaper on the Internet from UK users.  Most probably have never heard of the boycott.

www.s*n-boycott.co.uk is available by the way!

I'd be willing to put together a website if someone was willing to take care of all the writing side of things.

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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2004, 11:14:28 AM »
I am more than happy to help promote the site and give any assistance to wrtiing pages and anything else that might help the campaign.  Also happy to pay for hosting of the site and give donations towards promotion.

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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2004, 12:09:57 PM »
I'd be able to sort hosting and stuff out. Promotion, after it's submited to a few search engines/websites it should sort it's self out. Best to keep it on the theme of educating so people can make their own mind up, rather than "telling" people they should boycott.

We could probably get it all up and running by the weekend. But I wanna know what everyone else thinks before we go ahead?

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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2004, 01:02:51 PM »
I'd be able to sort hosting and stuff out. Promotion, after it's submited to a few search engines/websites it should sort it's self out. Best to keep it on the theme of educating so people can make their own mind up, rather than "telling" people they should boycott.

We could probably get it all up and running by the weekend. But I wanna know what everyone else thinks before we go ahead?

think it's a very good idea but why not promote the current hillsborough site and promote it to other fans/forums and even the papers?
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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2004, 01:05:32 PM »
another pic ive found
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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2004, 01:10:14 PM »
I'm always doing this and I always feel guilty because, of course, I've not done anything better...but...

That poster doesn't get over anything at all except "don't buy the Sun".  You have to understand the whole issue before you'll know why you shouldn't buy the sun, and to be honest, there's nothing there that would pique anyone's curiosity - certainly not people who aren't connected with Liverpool
Do you not think there needs to be something there along the lines of "we'll never forget your lies and never stop the boycott.  If you care about the truth, don't buy the S*n" - which isn't good enough at all, but is along the right lines.
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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2004, 01:13:33 PM »
I'll put some posters up round Liverpool Uni, hand some flyers and stickers out, even plaster some stickers over the issues of the sun in the uni shop.

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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2004, 01:19:01 PM »
I'm always doing this and I always feel guilty because, of course, I've not done anything better...but...

That poster doesn't get over anything at all except "don't buy the Sun".  You have to understand the whole issue before you'll know why you shouldn't buy the sun, and to be honest, there's nothing there that would pique anyone's curiosity - certainly not people who aren't connected with Liverpool
Do you not think there needs to be something there along the lines of "we'll never forget your lies and never stop the boycott.  If you care about the truth, don't buy the S*n" - which isn't good enough at all, but is along the right lines.

for sure a poster/pic of a poster is no way enough

even if the hillsborough website is put about it isn't enough as many people just won't take the time or won't be bothered to go on there but the site has got to be used as a tool to educate people who are not aware of the fight for justice as well as the boycott of the rag
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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2004, 01:29:15 PM »
Promoting websites is what I do for a living and would be more than happy to help and advise the current hillsborough site or the boycott s*n campaign.

Targeting other teams message boards and cummunity sites would be an excellent way of building up awareness.   Trying to get other web masters to link to us will also benefit the site.



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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2004, 02:14:52 PM »
Stevo... do you have a good quality image of that poster at all?

No mate. I just edited last years and changed the date.




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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2004, 02:33:37 PM »
Why dont we get some leaflets printed out that explain briefly what happend at Hillsborough and the events afterwards - they have good ones in the HJC shop, so might jsut be a case of printing them. Then everyone here could go to their local shops and ask if they would mind not stocking the S*n on the 15th of April. Explain the hurt they caused and say that it's a national boycott of the S*n, then give them leaflets to give to people to show why they arent stocking it. If they dont want to do that then ask permission to put up a poster in the window or whatever saying "Dont Buy The Sun on 15th of April - Leaflets inside" and leave the leaflets so people can pick them up, and decide for themselves whether to join the boycott or not.

It would probably be quite successful in Liverpool, not so much so outside of the city, but even if one shop backs us, it's something. Longshot maybe, :-\.

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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2004, 02:36:07 PM »
How bot a mosaic of some sort in the lead up to the Boycott? perhaps media attention would allow people around the country to see, BOYCOTT THE SCUM.

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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #17 on: March 4, 2004, 06:02:16 PM »
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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #18 on: March 4, 2004, 06:05:49 PM »
I'll have a think about it stevo, ill get back to yer.

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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #19 on: March 4, 2004, 06:38:46 PM »
How bot a mosaic of some sort in the lead up to the Boycott?


Good idea if it can be arranged.


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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #20 on: March 4, 2004, 06:45:22 PM »
Mosaic is a no goer I think.

Club wouldn't be able to publicly endorse a boycott due to the legal problems it would create, and they won't acknowledge the HJC's role.

Seem to remember a few years back (1999 probably) fans handed out "Justice" cards about A4 size. It wasn't official but those fans who were given them held them up pre match. Something similar could maybe be done? A few years before that the club got involved and stuck cards on seats to press for a fresh inquiry and there was a mosaic with "96" on with two eternal flames eitherside.

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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #21 on: March 4, 2004, 06:51:37 PM »
How bot a mosaic of some sort in the lead up to the Boycott? perhaps media attention would allow people around the country to see, BOYCOTT THE SCUM.

how about something along the lines of

15/04/89 96 of ours lost their lives

17/04/89 the *** headlined their lies

it tells (not well) the reason that the boycott is in place

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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #22 on: March 4, 2004, 07:28:06 PM »
if someone from the HJC could write a press release explaining briefly why we boycott the s*n and about the boycott day then im sure the rest of us could make sure it gets to every tabloid, broadsheet, local and national newspaper editor, aswell as every football website and any magazines or publications which are relevant.

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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #23 on: March 4, 2004, 09:21:50 PM »
as highlighted above, no matter what is done, make sure that the HJC have given their blessing.  noone wants to bring any disrepute upon the HJC and one error (although unintentional) could undo some of the excellent work they have completed over the years.

having said that - if the HJC could give a start (through a press release or something along those lines) then others could carry it on.

the work the HJC do is unbelievable.  never mind just the shop but all the background work that goes on - and these people are volunteers - absolute superstars everyone of them yet they would loathe for you to call them that.

with that in mind, the individuals at the HJC can only do so much.  they are limited.  one person's passion and energy (no matter how great that may be) will only cover so much ground, whereas two people's passion and energy will cover that bit more and so on and so forth.

the feeling of the support towards the HJC on these boards is great, however i feel that if correctly channeled, that support could make a real difference.  with our support (and those on these boards) being based all over, the potential is massive.  individuals team up under the guidance of someone, we can target specific aims/goals on a geographical scale if needbe. 

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National Boycott the rag Day:  those based in england are spilt into regions/cities etc.  those in each city can be decided what course of action they are going to take and break the tasks down individually.  such as organising posting of letters to specific media outlets, organising of emails to specific people, contacting shops re: display of posters and not stocking the rag etc etc.

the same thing can be repeated for wales, scotland, n.ireland, r.ireland and further afield.

this could go along the lines of a 'steering group' whereby HJC is the head command (for want of a better word) and certain individuals or groups are responsible for coverage of particular area?  this way, rather than individual sporaic acts, everything would be co-ordinated and therefore have a much bigger impact on a larger scale.

i don't want what peoples thoughts are on this idea or if the HJC would want to follow such a path?

just in my opinion, every little helps and collectively we could make our voices heard.  i would be more than willing to help again in whatever way with any potential/future initatives.
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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #24 on: March 5, 2004, 11:28:42 AM »
maybe also make reason for boycott wider? mate i quiz with hates the rag for the shite they spout about other issues - think foe incident and frank bruno incident.
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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2004, 11:19:56 PM »
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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2004, 11:38:09 PM »
Haven't been to a meeting for 3 weeks or so what with work and other things.

This has been discussed and either John_Mac or myself will provide you with an update etc.
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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2004, 01:24:06 PM »
If we gets through in the UEFA we`ll be playing Inter at San Siro the 14th April. What about a mosaic in our end, saying JUSTICE or BOYCOTT THE S** The last one is maybe to much to organise.

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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2004, 01:37:44 PM »
a masaic like that will never happen

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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2004, 01:47:29 PM »
How about something that can be sent out on email?

If smeone can write something, both informative, and with approval of the HJC, then we could all email it out to everyone in our address book, if we put a small note asking people to read it, and forward it on to people in there address book, it could spread fast.

All we would need is someone to write, and get approved something that will make people read it, and pass it on.

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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2004, 01:50:54 PM »
Chain emails are a right pain in the arse & actually forbidden by most ISP's anyway if you read their AUP you are breaching it by forwarding.

Lets not do something so tacky is my view.

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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2004, 01:53:31 PM »
a masaic like that will never happen

Doubt it would too. But how about a big fuck off 60 ft banner generated by the fans, and passed up the Kop? Not sure of the logistics tho.
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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2004, 04:33:45 PM »
Robbie, John....what about furthering the idea we had for last years anniversary that we discussed briefly in the old HJC offices back then?

If we could push on, and get something arranged for a Justice Day, we could get a whole host of things going on.

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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2004, 04:53:46 AM »
Any update on this? Apologies if there's one already.

And what happened to the coordinated effort to educate other clubs about Hillsborough initiated by Andy G?

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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2004, 09:30:32 AM »
And what happened to the coordinated effort to educate other clubs about Hillsborough initiated by Andy G?
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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2004, 10:17:29 AM »
http://www.polfed.org/magazine/04_1999/04_1999_hills.htm

Hillsborough

The day the unthinkable happened

Ten years after 96 Liverpool fans dieded on a sunny April afternoon in Sheffield, arguments about the worst football tragedy in English football's history rage on. Next month a private prosecution of two former senior police officers opens. TONY JUDGE reports on the calamity that befell a stadium where safety was virtually guaranteed.

The 15th April 1989, the date of the F A cup semi-final between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest, happened to be the 77th anniversary of the sinking of the unsinkable Titanic. Just as no-one foresaw that disaster, so it was "unthinkable"' that anything untoward could happen to the 50,000 fans who were making their way towards Hillsborough, home of Sheffield Wednesday football club.

Of all the football grounds in England, this was the one that had been rebuilt with total safety in mind. The Queen had opened the reconstructed Spion Kop in December 1986. The club's Safety and Security Officer was Douglas Lock, a former Superintendent in South Yorkshire Police. In April 1987, Lock told readers of Police Review, in an article headed "Playing Safe at Sheffield", that the aim of Sheffield Wednesday was "to provide entertainment in a safe, modern stadium." Many clubs, said Lock, were at this time ignoring the needs of paying customers. The fire in 1985 at Bradford City's Valley Parade ground, when over 50 fans died, exposed the scandalous disregard for crowd safety at most of the country's outdated and ramshackle stadium.

Douglas Lock told Police Review readers, that in order to improve segregation of fans, separate entry turnstiles had been installed at the cramped Leppings Lane end.

He described how the new police closed circuit television system was operated by officers from an elevated control room at the south west corner of the ground immediately above the Leppings Lane terraces. Its occupants had a clear view of the terraces.

Lock contrasted the state of the art safety and supervision facilities at Hillsborough with the utter chaos that had reigned at Bradford. "Today at Hillsborough" he wrote, "a senior officer can follow crowd movement outside the stadium by using the closed circuit cameras as his eyes. He is able to anticipate incidents as they build and deploy necessary resources to abate them. Inside the ground he can watch crowd behaviour and identify offenders through the zoom facility." Lock explained how, as safety officer, he worked with the police on match days. "I am helped by a police officer and a television/computer engineer. Together we watch and record the entry of all supporters into the ground. The club's control is also linked to the police control by two-way back to back radio system. Club officials and security staff also carry radios and should we see, on our screens the start of an incident, we can immediately request police assistance." Two years later, this confidence in the technology; and the assumption that it could cope with any emergency; were found to be woefully misplaced. Lock explained the sophisticated system that had been devised precisely to prevent such a situation from arising; "(The system) . ... has an electronic counting device fitted on each turnstile and an infrared magic eye beam. As supporters enter through the turnstiles they trip the counter. This information is relayed back to the control room to the IGS 'gate counter' computer where it appears on a desktop visual display unit. The turnstiles are grouped into sectors. These are specified by the ground Safety Act certificate It is possible to obtain complete details of individual entries through turnstiles and to monitor sector capacities or ground capacities at any time during the pre - match build up. By careful monitoring of the digital readout, we can begin to close down turnstiles as we approach sector limits. This facility also enables police to warn police to transfer supporters to other parts of the ground where accommodation is available". On the face of it, therefore, Hillsborough was an ideal venue for a cup semi-final. It was well used to staging such matches. In fact, the same clubs, Liverpool and Forest, had contested the previous year's semi-final at Hillsborough. When the same ground was chosen again , both lodged strong protests with the FA. They wanted to play the game at Old Trafford.

The problem was the allocation of tickets between the clubs. The police, in compliance with Popplewell's recommendation that segregation of fans should be a paramount concern at matches, insisted that Liverpool's supporters must use the Leppings Lane end, as they had in 1988, with the Kop being allocated to the Forest followers. This meant that Liverpool, with twice as many fans, had to make do with 25,000, while Forest were allocated nearly 30,0000. The disparity was even greater in respect of standing areas, where there was room for just 10,000 Liverpool fans, while the Kop held 21,000 Forest supporters in comfort. This seemingly perverse arrangement was dictated by the routes by which fans were expected to take to the ground. The police feared that if fans encountered each other trouble would break out. For this reason , they refused Liverpool's request, supported though it was by the FA, that their fans should be on the Kop.

Ten years ago, the police had good reasons for treating major football matches as high risk public order events, especially when Liverpool was involved. It was this club's "supporters" who had run amok at the Liverpool-Juventus European Cup final in Brussels four years earlier, when more than fifty fans were crushed to death. As a result, English clubs were excluded from European competition for six years.

The South Yorkshire Police deployed just over 1200 officers on duties connected with the semi-final. In overall command was David Duckenfield, newly promoted to Chief Superintendent, who days earlier had taken command of "F" division, which included Hillsborough. He was returning to uniform after many years experience as a detective. He had little or no experience of policing major events.

It was one of those rare spring days when fans had every incentive to linger outside the ground (to them an alcohol free zone). In contrast, the weather for the 1988 semi-final had been cold and wet, so the crowd was packed into the stadium well before kick off. This time, the pubs around Hillsborough did a brisk trade, and the build up of fans outside the Leppings Lane turnstiles was much slower and later than the year before.

At 2pm, while the Nottingham areas of the ground were filling rapidly, the Liverpool terraces were half empty. Around twenty past two, the situation started to become ominous. There was a very rapid build up of arriving fans. The separate queues outside the turnstiles became a single phalanx filling the whole approach area. The police outside the gates were beginning to be overwhelmed by the weight of numbers. The mounted officers were hemmed in and rendered useless. Some fans, mostly young men who had been drinking, tried to force their way forward, jamming others against the walls. Police tannoy messages asking the crowd to stop pushing were ignored.

The crowd, now over 5000 strong, was exerting great pressure on the closed gates. Seeing that they had no chance of getting inside the ground before the kick off the demand went up to "Open the gates". Superintendent George Marshall who was in charge in Leppings Lane requested permission from Duckenfield to open the gates, fearing loss of life if this was not done.

Once all the gates were open, thousands of fans, with or without tickets, rushed inside. Most headed straight for the tunnel immediately in front of them, totally unaware of the dense crowd already trying to reach the terracing by this route, and not knowing that there was room for them in the pens on either side of the centre. Now the conditions in the crowded pens changed rapidly from uncomfortable to perilous. Fans at the front were being crushed against the perimeter fence. Some of the narrow gates in the fence were opened, allowing some to get out of the pens. Those who were unhurt were directed to pens where there was still plenty of room, but all the time the overcrowding in the central pens was getting worse. Fans had begun climbing the fences between the pens. Those being crushed against the fence were screaming for help. For some, it came too late.

By now the match had begun and within minutes the crowd at the Leppings Lane end had surged forward, causing a barrier to twist and break. This projected many fans forward and some fell, to be trampled upon by those behind. No one in the police control room, situated so close to the mayhem, realised that anything was wrong until the fans began to pour through the fence gates. Then, the senior officers assumed that a pitch invasion was about to happen and summoned reinforcements and dogs. Meanwhile, Superintendent Greenwood, the ground commander, could see from his position in the mouth of the players tunnel that something was seriously wrong at the Leppings Lane end. He ran to the referee and the match was stopped at five minutes past three.

The gruesome scenes at the Leppings Lane end have been described in sickening detail in the late Lord Justice Taylor's report on the disaster.

He writes "the dead, the dying and the desperate" becoming "interwoven in the sump at the front of the pens." There now began a frantic effort by fans, police and stewards, and ambulance volunteers, to rescue the victims. Taylor writes; "More officers arrived from the gymnasium and elsewhere in the ground. Many used their own initiative to help those laid out on the pitch, to assist in getting others over the fences and to comfort the distressed. But some stood in groups near to the perimeter fence not knowing what to do. They had been summoned in response to what was thought to be a threat to public order. What they found was a horrific scene of carnage and some young officers were shocked into impotence by what they saw.

"It was truly gruesome.......... A pile of dead bodies lay and grew outside Gate 3. Extending further and further on to the pitch, the injured were laid down and attempts made to revive them.... as the enormity of the disaster was realised, many of the fans milling about were bitter and hostile towards the police..... officers were confronted, abused, spat upon, even assaulted."

The Hillsborough disaster was unique in one respect. It was played out, as it was happening, in the full view of live television cameras. Millions of horrified viewers watched as the full scale of the catastrophe was unfolded. Those who watched would never forget the scene, or how the utter despair and desolation of so many spectators, police, and others, contrasted with the glorious sunshine and the festive surroundings of a major sporting event. The agonies of those who were watching in Liverpool, knowing their loved ones were at the match, can only be imagined. The recriminations were immediate. The air was thick with accusations within minutes of the event, and the allegations have gone on ever since. Controversy still rages about the actions of police and fans that day, although there is now a consensus that neither drunkenness nor hooligans can be blamed for the deaths.

The relatives of the 96 dead continue to grieve, and many are bitter about what they see as an unsatisfactory inquest. The refusal of the courts to compensate some relatives of victims still rankles, especially as some police officers who were traumatised by the event received compensation in court actions. In a very recent development, it has been announced that some of the relatives intend to sue their lawyers, alleging incompetence in pursuing their claims.

Lord Justice Taylor's report was scathing about most (but not all) of the senior police officers at Hillsborough that afternoon. He had this to say about the 65 officers who appeared before him as witnesses;

"Sadly I must report that for the most part the quality of their evidence was in inverse proportion to their rank. There were many young constables who as witnesses were alert, intelligent and open. On the day, they and many others strove heroically in ghastly circumstances aggravated by hostility to rescue and succour victim. They inspired confidence and hope.

"By contrast, with some notable exceptions, the senior officers in command were defensive and evasive witnesses. Their feelings of grief and sorrow were obvious and genuine. No doubt those feelings were intensified by the knowledge that such a disaster had occurred under their management. But, neither their handling of the problems on the day nor their account of it in evidence showed the quality of leadership to be expected of their rank."

Lord Taylor concluded that the cause of the overcrowding, and hence the disaster, was the failure, after the gates were opened, to cut off access to the pens which were already overfull. The police and stewards had not been in position to block off the entrance to the tunnel leading to the central pens. He found that no safe maximum capacities for each pen had been laid down. No means existed of numerical control of the numbers entering individual pens. Nor, on the day; had there been effective visual monitoring. The police were criticised for not realising that dangerous congestion could occur in the turnstile areas, and failing to provide for concentrated numbers arriving in a short time.

Valley Parade, Heysel and Hillsborough marked the end of an era. The day of the all seater stadium has arrived, and at senior grounds fans have lost the right to stand and roam at will. Ironically, the world famous Anfield Kop had to go. Even Lord Taylor, whose second report propelled football into this new era, may not have foreseen how soon the stadium would change into the super, multipurpose structures of the late nineties, or how football would cease to be the working man's sport and become the preserve of big business, millionaire players, pay for view and corporate sponsorship and entertainment. Where once it was staring at bankruptcy, football, at least at the top, is now regarded as sexy and hugely profitable. Will it remember the 200 dead fans who, during the eighties, were the price to be paid for violence, clapped out grounds or sorry incompetence?

 

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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #36 on: March 28, 2004, 11:13:18 AM »
Thats a great article that Robbie, it gives more details than previous articles ive read, stil makes me just as angry though, well more so know!

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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #37 on: March 28, 2004, 02:14:28 PM »
This is the letter that accompanied the poster last year. It's always difficult to get accross your point to people not directly effected, and I was dissapointed that of four local newsagents I gave posters and letter to, not one took any action or even bothered to read the letter. But then it's not suprising, and not everyone will stop to take a moment from their busy lives to listen to something that's not on their personal agenda (this year I'm just going to stick the poster up myself). Nonetheless, there's always some who will make the effort to listen and that makes it all worthwhile. Little by little... they'll stop buying the S*n.

 
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Dear newsagent,

You will be aware of the events of 15th April 1989 when 96 innocent men, women and children lost their lives. Four days later the Sun newspaper ran an article under the banner headline "The Truth" and proceeded to make outrageous claims that the fans had robbed and urinated on the dead, as well as beating up police as they tried to carry out the rescue operation. These allegations have, of course, been proven to be lies. Far from being "The Truth" the banner headlines should have read "The Lies".

The British Judicial Inquiry into the disaster headed by Lord Justice Taylor found the main cause to be "The Breakdown of Police Control". Former police sergeant Martin Long was awarded an estimated £330,000 compensation for post-traumatic stress disorder after witnessing the tragedy. By comparison Anne Williams received £3,500 for her dead son Kevin.

The author John Pilger described the treatment of the Hillsborough victims of the Sun "The Sun’s treatment of the Hillsborough tragedy was typical not only of its record of distortion, but of its cruelty. The rich and famous have been able to defend themselves with expensive libel actions; the singer Elton John won damages, before appeal, of £1 million following a series of character assassinations. But most of the Sun’s victims are people like the Hillsborough parents, who have had to suffer without recourse."

The press complaints commission upheld complaints about the Sun’s coverage of the disaster and found them guilty of lying, yet following the damning verdict Murdoch still refused to publish an adequate apology for the coverage. Fourteen years after these scandalous lies the Sun has continuously refused  to print a front page apology for their disgraceful behaviour, the dead, the bereaved and the survivors still suffer at the hands of that very article. The fight for justice goes on, hampered in the eyes of millions by the lies printed by in the aftermath of the disaster.

Whilst we appreciate that selling newspapers is your livelihood and would not wish to affect that in any way, shape or form, we would hope that you can show some compassion towards those who lost their lives in 1989 and respect those who still fight for justice in their name. On Merseyside this once popular newspaper is now reviled and widely boycotted because of the their treatment of the disaster.

We realise that you are unlikely to be able to refuse to accept deliveries of the Sun newspaper for this day but would hope that you could display the attached notice, perhaps along with this letter, in the hope that we can remind your customers of the monstrosities carried out in the name of "The Truth". We would not wish to turn your customers away merely to encourage them to opt for a different newspaper, even if it is only for this one day.

Thank you very much for your help and co-operation in this matter.


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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2004, 03:02:01 PM »
Old Swan John posted about the boycott on the Fans Forum Community and got an encouraging response.

http://thefansforum.co.uk/forum//index.php?showtopic=2864&st=0&


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Re: Thursday 15th April 2004?
« Reply #39 on: March 29, 2004, 11:37:29 PM »
any definite plans?
LFC SHOULD NEVER PLAY ON THE 15TH APRIL, NOT THIS YEAR, NEXT YEAR OR ANY OTHER YEAR

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